BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:24 AM

A secret official declaration of war is even more intriguing.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:15 AM

"official act of war".    It's slightly amazing that, aside from types of German planes in WW II, the poster's knowledge of history is so circumscribed.   If Pearl Harbor was an "official" act of war, please tell us when the declaration of war on the US by Japan was made. And if it was declared, exactly why was the US not informed?   A secret declaration of war is an interesting hybrid.

Thanks so much.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Elmore
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 09:08 PM

Breaking News. This Just In. Osama Bin Laden Still Dead.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 06:46 PM

That Esquire Story About The SEAL Who Killed Osama Bin Laden Is "Complete B.S." According to Another SEAL

Gawker

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 05:33 PM

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313-2

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 05:03 PM

Keith, it is completely inappropriate and stupid to respond to a criminal act by a small, clandestine group of terrorists as if it were an open, official act of war by the armed forces of another sovereign nation. And that is why drawing parallels with Pearl Harbour is completely irrelevent.

But...if you simply want to use such an incident as a provocation in order to panic your own public into supporting a series of foreign wars (and occupations) on other sovereign nations, and a reduction in their own civil liberties at home, and a boost to military spending...then Bob's your uncle! It works like a charm. And that's exactly what was done.

I doubt that Bin Laden had anything to do with planning 911. He has said himself (in tapes he submitted to the Middle East media) that he had nothing to do with 911. If he had planned it, I think he'd have been boasting to the skies about it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 01:57 PM

From the horse's mouth - how it all went down by the seal who inserted three slugs into OBL's skull expediting his passage to paradise: The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 May 12 - 05:18 AM

At least we know where you stand on typos Jim.

Stringsinger, was it "anti-American" to try and shoot down the Japanese at Pearl harbour without trial?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 May 12 - 02:16 PM

"I think bobad that little wheeze of thiers "
Don't you mean "theirs"?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 26 May 12 - 02:01 PM

"Also, not every member of the Taleban supports Al Quaeda."

No matter. Our troops shoot all Taleban. It's their mission.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 May 12 - 01:12 PM

What Obama did was anti-American in that he assassinated a criminal perpetrator without putting him on trial first. "Habeas Corpus" is in the U.S. DNA and in the Constitution.
What Obama did was un-Constitutional and should be condemned by rational Americans.

I'm certain that most of the world would have found bin Laden guilty of murder had there been a trial.

Also, not every member of the Taleban supports Al Quaeda.

One thing is certain, the Afghan Security Force is ultimately being trained to kill American soldiers.

The US is naively unaware of the quagmire that their incursion into Afghanistan has caused. The evidence is shown by the role of the mujahadeen in fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Why did the US support the bin Laden family (as well as Usama?) Was it "oil"?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 May 12 - 04:03 PM

Polygamy is it's own punishment.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 25 May 12 - 03:32 PM

I heard that US Naval Intelligence just released a press statement. In a nutshell, they said... he was living undetected in the compound in a house for five years with his fives wives and they now believe he was the one who called the Navy Seals.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 25 May 12 - 11:30 AM

I think bobad that little wheeze of thiers (The Pakistani's that is) is coming to an end. Foreign Aid that their military relied on will dry up.

Everybody looks to this withdrawal from combat operations within Afghanistan by ISAF and erroneously compare that with the Soviet abandonment of Afghanistan in 1991.

What the Taleban realise is that after December 2014 the fighting on the ground in Afghanistan becomes an "All Afghan Affair". The ANSF have now been fighting and gaining experience since 2008. The man in charge after 2014 will more than likely be Abdul Rashid Dostum, after Ahmad Shah Massoud the most competent and capable military commander in Afghanistan. It took 71 days to drive the Taleban from power in 2001 and Dostum did that with less than 25,000 men, aided by less than 1,000 US Specialist Advisers and the combat aircraft from two USN Strike Carriers. From January 2015 Dostum will have over 350,000 men of the ANSF + 20,000 US troops + all the air power he could ask for.

My guess is that Mullah Omar's Taleban, the Haqqani Group and those following Gulbuddin Hekmatyar will forget about Afghanistan and they will focus on grabbing land from Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, the Federal Administered Tribal Areas and parts of Baluchistan to create their Pashtunistan. The Pak military starved of the aid it needs will be a much easier opponent than Dostum.

The Pakistani Government will do some sort of deal with their Taleban and if they then try anything on with regard to harbouring international terrorists or meddling in Afghanistan's affairs then a wall could be built round their Pashtunistan and everyone could use it as the biggest weapons testing, live-firing range in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 25 May 12 - 07:36 AM

The Pakistanis have a good gig going - they get billions of dollars from the US to fight the terrorists who they are covertly aiding thus ensuring the cash keeps flowing - a perpetual cash cow.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 May 12 - 04:58 AM

A 33 year sentence, (tried without judge or jury) for the doctor who was used to identify who was in the compound.
No-one yet convicted for concealing Bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 02:07 PM

For all those who were wringing their hands over the US's "incursion" into Pakistan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9109457/Stratfor-Osama-bin-Laden-was-in-routine-contact-with-Pakistans-spy-agency.html

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 12:59 PM

Thanks for that Charley

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 11:30 AM

The New Yorker Magazine has just published what appears to be a well-researched article on the raid and its planning: Click here for story

The details of this evolving story are always fascinating to the history buffs.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 04:40 PM

I note with interest that I appear to have been right about the relationships between the government of Pakistan and that of the USA in relation to the US "incursion": I win the prize of, what was it, $800 million?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 12:23 PM

You betcha its real!

Check http://www.kumagames.com/osama_2011.html

USA! USA! Proud To Be An Amerikun!!!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 12:01 PM

That game .... sick.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM

Greg, that is pretty sick. I assume it is a 'real' game?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 11:11 AM

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Gee, ya think that Osama may have had something in despising the U.S. as a degraded state & exporter of cultural toxins?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM

No-one assumed that Don dear.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 10:01 AM

""As far as the world in general goes? The Universities of Vancouver and Uppsala disagree with you Bill, their studies (2007) indicate that the World is safer today than it was 25 years ago.""

So they feel the World has become safer because of something which happened between 1982 and 2007, you ignore the collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent end of the "Cold War", and blithely assume that the death of ObL in 2011 has caused them to come to that conclusion four years before it happened.

Stunning!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 04:47 AM

"...bin Laden's death will certainly make recruiting a lot harder..."

Are you seriously suggesting that his eath will make recruitment to AQ harder?

I suggest that you look at the history of this sort of thing - particularly the aftermath of Bloody Sunday in N. Ireland.

THis 'Gotcha' mentality is for the playground, is dosent work in real life.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:59 AM

Hey, guys, let's get down to the nitty-gritty here.

Anybody REALLY want bin Laden back?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 10:57 PM

For you guys that agree .... can we now loosen up the security at airports, and border crossings into the U.S. ... if not, then why not?


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 10:31 PM

Not being of the hand wringing persuasion I'll have to agree with Bobert
'Glad he is gone..."

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 10:22 PM

I hate to agree with t-Bird but...

...bin Laden's death will certainly make recruiting a lot harder...

Glad he is gone...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 09:47 PM

Bobad .... I'm aware of that. But when you stand back a bit. Look at that headline, you can't but help but ponder ... from all sides of the arguments ... the insanity of mankind.

oh well


at least he had his day in court.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 07:39 PM

"Typically, court indictments are dismissed when the defendant dies or is convicted on other unrelated cases. Such requests to drop charges are procedural and routine."

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 07:01 PM

Bin Laden charges formally dropped

Whoooops .... but we just shot him !!


biLL .... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 09:10 AM

If you seriously think the killing of OBL will make the world a safer place you are a bigger fool than I thought you were. You must by now have some idea of the mindset of these people, do you really think that there will be no retaliation, do you not think that this retaliation will make 911 look like a fly swat, because I do.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 01:41 AM

The world is certainly no safer for would be terrorists, and more important for those who would, as Governments or regimes, support them.

As far as the world in general goes? The Universities of Vancouver and Uppsala disagree with you Bill, their studies (2007) indicate that the World is safer today than it was 25 years ago.

As far as Afghanistan was concerned bin Laden became irrelevant in 2001, yet we still had many ridiculing the US Government, US Intelligence Agencies and US Military over their failure to kill or capture their declared Public Enemy No.1 - Those people are not laughing now, and as information trickles out we now know that far from being clueless, inept and incompetent:

1: bin Laden's whereabouts as to area was pinpointed to within 12 miles in 2004.

2: bin Laden's whereabouts wrt the town/city and knowledge of his means of communication was identified and focused in on in 2007.

3: bin Laden's whereabouts as to his exact location was identified in August 2010.

All the result of good, painstaking, patient intelligence work.

The US Security and Intelligence Agencies identified the threat of asymmetric attacks resulting from the formation of an "axis of evil" in 1997 and reported the same to President Bill Clinton. The "Axis of Evil" was misreported in the UK media as being something involving Iraq, Iran & North Korea, whereas the "Axis of Evil" as reported to the President was:

A "rogue state" or regime with an anti-US agenda and access to WMD or WMD materials and/or technology allying itself to an international terrorist group to mount an anonymous attack on the USA that could not be traced back to that "rogue state" or regime.

Actions taken by the USA subsequent to the attacks of 11th September, 2001 sent the message to any would be terrorist group and to any would be "rogue regime" that any "axis of evil" game plan would not work. US action against Iraq in 2003 dissuaded the would be "rogue states".

As far as the fight against terrorism goes the killing of bin Laden WAS a victory, an undeniable "win" for the US that must be galling for its detractors, in this bobad is perfectly correct.

"It's still a barrel of sh%t in the mideast."

When has it been anything else? It is up to the people of the middle-east to sort out. Had the Arabs of the middle-east followed the example set by the people of Israel in 1949 then there would have been no bloodshed. However they did not, they chose to fight, they chose violence as a means to deliver impossible promises to the people they shut up in refugee camps (on land actually owned by the refugees themselves) and kept in deliberate despair and poverty, to be used as political pawns.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:09 PM

The world is no safer now that bin Laden has met his demise. Bin Laden's Relevance was long dead by the time the those commandos got to him. It's still a barrel of sh%t in the mideast. It's is a lot more complicated than just fighting terrorism.


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 05:34 PM

For the ordinary people of both life is better now than it has been at any time since 14th April 1978 as far as Afghanistan is concerned and 22nd July 1979 as far as Iraq is concerned

As a member of the general public in both countries you stand 97% better chance of not dying a violent death today in Afghanistan and a 90% better chance of not dying a violent death today in Iraq.

Is the world a safer place? The world has never been a safe place, is it safer today because bin Laden is dead? Yes it probably is in the long term.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 04:28 PM

"the US won this round, the terrorists lost, live with it."

What did they win ??

It's still the same sh&t as it was the day before he was shot. Is the world a safer place, has the fighting stopped, has the hatred stopped, has the paranoia stopped, is there now peace and stability in the Afghani, in Iraq .... ??

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:12 PM

Silas, the absence of 'phone and internet in an upmarket residence is an anomaly.
Who else would use couriers in preference?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:31 AM

Silas and others seem to base their understanding of commando raids on the screenplay of "The Dirty Dozen." (Or is it "Inglourious Basterds"?)

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:29 AM

Nor anyone else's bar your own it would seem Silas

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 09:18 AM

bobad, don't bother, I value not your opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:44 AM

Silas, you're being a total jerk, the US won this round, the terrorists lost, live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:36 AM

Yeah right. Perhaps they had carrier pigions? Or possibly somke signals?

I really don't think it likley that this would be AQ headquaters, in fact, the very idea is laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:23 AM

A courier could well be intercepted, but you would know it had happened, and would trust him to withold your location as long as he could.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:12 AM

It being impossible, of course, to itercept a courier...

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 05:26 AM

"headquaters for AQ? with no phone opr internet connection? You ARE joking?"
That was the significance of hte couriers Silas.

'Phone or internet opens them up to tracing.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Silas
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 04:20 AM

Yes, residential compound, nothing anyone has said changes that, there were men women and children living there. High value terrorist target< well they had been watching it for nine months and were still unable to identifyu OBL. Headquaters for AQ? with no phone opr internet connection? You ARE joking?

They have confirmed that OBL was NOT hiding behind a woman - so think again Mr T and try to come up with another fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:26 PM

"A bunch of well armed highly trained troops bursts into a residential compound who's residents are almost certainly unarmed, they seem to kill indiscriminately"

As an execise in cock-eyed logic this takes the biscuit.

How was it the CIA Observation Team and the analysts described the place again:

"The bottom line of our collection and analysis was that we had high confidence that the compound held a high-value terrorist target. There was a strong probability that it was bin Laden."

All of a sudden it becomes simply "a residential compound" !!! What with 18ft walls, double security gates, no outside windows, no telephone, no internet connection in a 1 million US$ property!!!

"Whose resident's are most certainly unarmed"!!! What are you drinking?? I take it that you can say (straight-faced) with the same degree of certainty that high value terrorist targets always leave their guns at the office when they pack up work for the day??

"Killed indiscriminately"??? What are you talking about 24 or 25 people inside that compound and only five end up dead, the four men and one woman.

Finally figured out how bin Laden got shot in the face and how the woman got killed. Rumour central states that bin Laden used a woman as a shield. Osama bin Laden was shot in the left-eye facing what he perceived to be the main threat. Was he standing behind the woman peeking out over her left shoulder when he got shot? Did the same burst or second shot kill the woman?

5 out of 25 = 20% when there was a potential of 44% being combatants does not tally up to the firing or killing being indiscriminate.