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BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

GUEST,lively 05 May 11 - 05:41 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 May 11 - 04:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 May 11 - 04:49 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 May 11 - 04:28 AM
Richard Bridge 05 May 11 - 04:18 AM
GUEST,lively 05 May 11 - 04:15 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 May 11 - 04:10 AM
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GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 May 11 - 03:58 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 11 - 03:52 AM
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Stu 05 May 11 - 03:49 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 11 - 03:31 AM
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Ebbie 05 May 11 - 02:39 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 05 May 11 - 02:16 AM
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Jim Carroll 05 May 11 - 01:46 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 May 11 - 05:41 AM

"...but it seems to me that you 'get off' on having a brutal mass murderer slaughtering innocent people...like it's some twisted fantasy of yours!"

It seems to me that you're so stupid that you're incapable of understanding the very basics of what other people write, and prefer to attribute them with bizzare fantasies of your own creation instead. Must be a lot of fun living in your mind.

Byeee...


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:55 AM

So what prescription do you take?? 'Stupid pills??'

No, I do not believe that the 'ends justify the means'...but it seems to me that you 'get off' on having a brutal mass murderer slaughtering innocent people...like it's some twisted fantasy of yours!
watch the videos, I posted...then you figure a way to
'reason' with the 'inspirational figure head' of the loons, committing those atrocities!
Your ideological, political beliefs are running am-muck over both your experience in life, and common sense!
This asshole declared WAR on non 'believers', and targeted unarmed women children, and any civilians, of our cultures as his targets!...So what do you want us to do?..give him a 'fine' and probation??
..and don't get me wrong, yes, there are things that both our countries do, that I don't like...but that is no excuse to be so willingly as nonsensical as you two idiots!
Would it matter to either one of you, of how many more innocent people might be spared, by knocking this crackpot out?..or does the thought of bombs ripping through populated public centers get you wet? ...so you think you can claim some sort of moral high ground?
The guy should have been taken out a long time ago..any way possible!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:49 AM

Richard, you seem very certain of the law on this.
Are you better informed than all these?

Was the killing of Bin Laden legal?

The use of deadly force against Bin Laden, who was said to be unarmed, is unlikely to be challenged in an American court, but the US has already sought to defend its position on legal grounds.

US Attorney General Eric Holder said the acts taken were "lawful, legitimate and appropriate in every way".

US legal experts point to the fact that the US had declared itself to be in armed conflict with al-Qaeda.

Kenneth Anderson, a fellow in national security and law at the Hoover Institution, told Reuters: "It's lawful for the United States to be going after Bin Laden if for no other reason than he launched an attack against the US."

Other legal experts questioned whether this would stand up under international law.

Targeted killings under US law remains a disputed area.

US executive order 12333, signed by President Ronald Reagan, says: "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination."

However, the term assassination has never been fully defined and some US legal advisers have sought to argue it does not apply in conflict situations.

State department legal adviser Harold Koh, quoted by Mr Anderson, said in March: "Under domestic law, the use of lawful weapons systems - consistent with the applicable laws of war - for precision targeting of specific high-level belligerent leaders when acting in self-defence or during an armed conflict is not unlawful, and hence does not constitute 'assassination'."

Profs William C Banks and Peter Raven-Hansen, writing in the University of Richmond Law Review, also argue it does not apply to figures such as Bin Laden, nor when the US is "in hostilities such as the Gulf War or war on those responsible for the 11 September attacks".

"The targeted killing of terrorists is therefore not unlawful," they conclude.

Mindful of its need to stress the military nature of the killing and the need to abide by conventions, the US has also said that Bin Laden presented a clear danger to its troops.

CIA director Leon Panetta said: "Obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

Another US defence official said: "There were certainly capture contingencies, as there must be."

British law professor Philippe Sands QC, of University College London, says the US can certainly argue that it was entitled to take action to protect its citizens against a deadly enemy.

"Even if the use of deadly force was unlawful, international law recognises that there are exceptional circumstances where necessity precludes wrongfulness, and this will be said to be one of those case," Mr Sands told the BBC.

But Mr Sands says that what Pakistan knew and authorised, and what happened when the commandos confronted Bin Laden, will need to be known before the legal situation of the raid becomes clear.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay has called for more information and stressed international law must be respected - but accepted that taking Bin Laden alive was always likely to be difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:28 AM

Jim,
"Now about allowing foreign troops to violate your national territory - for or against?"

If the nation concerned has no objections, who are you to object on their behalf Jim?

Other means to end this career of carnage have failed.
You all claim to be glad he has gone, but you would have preferred to wait another ten or twenty years for it to be done in a way that you find acceptable.
At what cost?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:18 AM

I really don't think I need to comment on Fugitive from Sanity. All that he knows is the power of the gun. A perfect example of the anarchy that could result from the breakdown of the rule of law.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:15 AM

"Fuck the method!."

Yes, you've made it clear that you believe 'the means justifies the ends' and I suppose that's fine for you in your own back yard, but other people think that the US with all it's Weapons of Mass Destruction and incessant military meddling in the Middle East for which it is greatly hated, might like to tread a little more cautiously.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:10 AM

Fuck the method!..A mass murderer who was the figure head of more murders was snuffed out..Good riddance!...any method was more humane than his!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:01 AM

"Those are your co-defenders..join up, with them, then!"

There are a group of people on this thread who are willfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting the concerns that other posters are voicing about the METHOD of Bin Laden's assassination.
These are legitimate concerns about the cavalier behaviour of one of the most powerful states in the world.

I don't see anyone weeping over dead terrorists or lining up to join Islamic extremist organisations here. Perhaps reducing the discussion to such false emotive nonsense is a bi-product of watching too much of that infamous Fox News or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:58 AM

Watch the videos, and you'll see the 'trial' your side gives!

gfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:52 AM

"Those are your co-defenders..join up, with them, then!"
Sorry GfI
Not into torture and internment without trial - leave that to you terrorists.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:50 AM

Jim Carroll: "Nobody is defending anything - we are wondering who is going to defend us from the defenders."

Well, you should have seen the videos, by now...Those are your co-defenders..join up, with them, then!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Stu
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:49 AM

Bin Laden's not dead - I've just seen him shopping in Tesco's at Handforth Dean.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:31 AM

"That seems to absolve Bin Laden's bombers from responsibility for the carnage."
No it doesn't Keith - stop wriggling.
The whole mess we are in at present can be traced back directly to the US behaviour in the middle east; original support for Saddam, Gulf War, WMD.... etc. Blair and his cronies involved Britain by sucking up to Bush and sending young men off to die for the Holy Grail that was (or wasn't) weapons of mass destruction.
None of this absolves Bin Laden, or those who will follow him - they are all part of the bloody mess that is the world today.
Now about allowing foreign troops to violate your national territory - for or against?
So far you seem to be happy that the US can send troops wherever they please, without permission, or even consultation; and you have remained silent of the use of torture et al of illegally held suspects... would you please confirm orr deny this.
And about the acts of terror carried out by the US - for or against?
"experts on changing shitty nappies"
You scurried away from the last thread - please don't bring it here - if you have anything to say on this, take it where it belongs.
I have no intention of turning this into yet another dialogue - life's far too short to spend with eejits.
Ebbie:
"they have constructed concentration camps where similar illegally detained 'suspects' are held in inhuman conditions"
Go to Florida and head south for about 90 miles – it's called Guantanamo and everybody knows about it.
GfI
Nobody is defending anything - we are wondering who is going to defend us from the defenders.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:20 AM

Here, take a 'look-see'....
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING!!!!

Download a couple of the videos...then tell me that this bullshit doesn't deserve what is coming to them!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 May 11 - 02:39 AM

Jim Carroll, you say: "for the latter, they have constructed concentration camps where similar illegally detained 'suspects' are held in inhuman conditions (60 odd of them at the last count) for indefinite periods with no access to friends, family or legal assistance."

Do you have firm evidence of these "concentration camps"? Where are they and how is it that you know about them?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Taconicus
Date: 05 May 11 - 02:29 AM

And meanwhile, I believe Osama bin Laden is still dead. Probably cavorting with his (how many?) virgins right now. Who, if there is justice in the hereafter, probably have teeth in unusual places.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 11 - 02:16 AM

jim, you said,
"Having kids doesn't give anybody a special insight or wisdom - it just makes them experts on changing shitty nappies. "

Both my sons were down in the Underground when the 7/7 bombs went off.
I have to disagree with you.
There were no bombs in Co. Clare were there.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 02:12 AM

300...of mostly dumb things to say!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:59 AM

Pitying the perpetrators Jim.

You said, "every bomb that went off in London following the phony search for WMDs is down to Pres. Dubya and his poodle Blair."

That seems to absolve Bin Laden's bombers from responsibility for the carnage.
US and British terrorism made them do it, poor dears.

You may be outraged on Pakistan's behalf, but they are not.
They act out the charade of being "concerned", as with the drone strikes, but it is well understood that they are delighted.

They have lost 30 000 dead in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and receive a billion dollars a year in military aid to resist them.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:46 AM

"Did you get all choked up about that, too, Jim? Or are you old enough to even remember?"
Sorry Don - you're doing a Keith here.
I have expressed no regret whatever that Bin Laden has gone to... wherever fanatical religious terrorists go - good riddance - another thug out of the way.
I am concerned that the US - you know the one - the big guy with the nuclear arsenal - feels it within its remit to invade any country they choose, abduct and imprison suspects and hold them indefinitely without charge or trial, ship them off to be tortured..... and all the other things terrorist countries do.
The world is an unsafe enough place without its most powerful nation acting as though it is in a John Wayne movie.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:45 AM

A bit graphically put, GfS, but very much to the point!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:40 AM

Hey GfS, You can go ahead and leave "Kumbayah" out of it. What did that song ever do to you?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 12:50 AM

Richard Bridge: "Was it legal? The breakdown of the rule of law is dangerous as is US belief in its own omnipotence."

Gee, you pulled your head out again..probably for some 'fresh air'!
Look, in case you haven't heard this before, (being as you are hiding under 'legal-speak'), 'War is the total breakdown of law'. OBL, chose to make his play OUTSIDE ANY law, that you are holding up, for us to adhere to..not only that, he plays under his OWN rules, with utter contempt for ANY law you are quoting. Do you think 'International Law, and the 'rules of war' apply here????..or is there a breakdown, initiated by OBL, in an attempt to replace your quoted law, with Sharia law..but with himself in charge???? Do you think he should sit cross-legged, holding hands, singing 'Kumbayah', swaying back and forth, like your 'rehabilitation program' for wayward cookie jar thieves??? Hey! wise up! If ANYONE goes flying planes into buildings, killing innocent people all over the world, because he is trying to advance a primitive interpretation, to a cultist 'everybody must die who doesn't believe in Allah religion'..so no law of toleration is due them, I'm sorry....its not like mommy caught you with your fingers in the cookie jar...you go do shit like he's pulled, and you're in the big time!!..Maybe OBL should have thought of your International war rules BEFORE, he declared war on innocent people and started killing them, indiscriminately! Believe it or not, some STUPID things have consequences. If he wants to live outside the law, maybe it was fitting that he died 'outside the law'. HE made that choice!! To stop ANY further plans of his BULLSHIT, was/and is, the decent thing to do...unless YOU can get him into your make-believe world of swaying, glassy-eyed, campfire singers of 'Kumbayah'!!!

Get fuckin' real, and stop making a parody of common sense, or, for that matter, yourself!

Chances are, the directive for the mission was terminate him and gather all intelligence possible, within a certain time limit.

The fucker is DEAD!!! Got it?? Why bitch over the details???

OK, now you can re-insert your head back into that cozy warm place, and blow 'law bubbles' out the opening!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Janie
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:40 PM

Ebbie,

fwiw, and maybe not much, prisonplanet is so conspiracy-minded as to make it nearly impossible to separate the facts from the paradigm.

One always has to try to separate the wheat from the chaff, but when 70-90% of the raw material is chaff, it isn't worth my time to separate out the kernels.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:52 PM

Hey. Has anyone else clicked on the link that 'andrew' made? If even half of the information given there is true, the game is over.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:40 PM

Maybe Bobad .... but we also don't want legitimate countries of the world running around as loose cannons either .... it could make things even worse for us out there ... bad enough as it is.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:32 PM

Thomas Mulcair has the reputation of being a loose cannon.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:31 PM

gnu .... "The under-leader of the NDP don't know what took place?"

exactly ... that's why he is asking for a full analysis.

"because "that has to do with American law and international law as well."

sounds fair to me.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:18 PM

sIx... ""Mulcair also said the killing requires "a full analysis" on whether it was self-defence or a direct killing..."

It was about as direct as you can get. They came to call with nasty sons-a-bitches in choppers and shot the fucker. The under-leader of the NDP don't know what took place? Then he's a fuckin idiot. How could he say something so stunned-as-me-arse?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:06 PM

One last point here .... I also raise question if the other 3 victims were also armed .... if not, then it would be murder (would it not) or ... were they just collateral damage.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:59 PM

Well, the the party (NDP) that holds the official opposition in Canada is holding off on the applause ... if you read the CBC link I posted .... if not, here's a quote from Thomas Mulcair the deputy leader of the opposition

"Mulcair also said the killing requires "a full analysis" on whether it was self-defence or a direct killing because "that has to do with American law and international law as well."

I think his point is valid, and over the next few days (as the dust of celebration settles down) many decent people will probably raise the same question .... if the NDP had won the election this would be the official stand of the Canadian government .... now I know many Canadian catter's would not and did not vote for Harper or the Liberals ... hmmmm, so who did they vote for .... :-)

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:28 PM

"Was it legal?"

Alan Dershowitz says it is:

"The decision to target and kill Osama Bin Laden is being applauded by all decent people. Approval to capture or kill this mass-murdering terrorist leader was given by Presidents Obama and Bush. It was the right decision, both morally and legally."


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:19 PM

Don - no bleeding heart here. My concerns are twofold.

Was it legal? The breakdown of the rule of law is dangerous as is US belief in its own omnipotence.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If this was legal, so are some at least Islamist attempts to assassinate the president of the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:08 PM

Canadian NDP Deputy Leader has doubts photo's exist


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: andrew e
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:26 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:25 PM

I assume you have seen the pictures of his bloody bedroom floor by his water bed on the third floor.

This should settle the debate over water bedding having anything to do with his capture and killing.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:58 PM

Yeah, bobad... It might have...

This one is a toughie...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:37 PM

Bobert, I think the fear was that holding him alive would spawn countless kidnappings and beheadings by his rabid followers both as an attempt at ransom and in retaliation.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:29 PM

I'd still rather have him alive and living at Gitmo...

I question why that didn't happen... Yes, I realize that the Repubs have made a domestic trial in a US court near impossible but had I been Obama I would have pushed harder for "alive"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:19 PM

One thing I am thankful for is no member of the seal team was hurt. That is something at least .. I don't know the current members of that team but they always were the most elite and most dedicated of all the service branch. They are always in harms way and answer the call of duty when ordered. They don't make political decisions, they serve and protect with their lives. Most of the other branches call those guys the archangels, because when you are pinned down or captured , their normal job is to go in and get you out alive. That is what they normally do. This time it wasn't about capture but command gave the order not them.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:09 PM

At the end of World War II in Europe, the architect of mass murder, Adolph Hitler chose to commit suicide rather than face justice. Americans were involved in that operation. And British.

Did you get all choked up about that, too, Jim? Or are you old enough to even remember?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:06 PM

"All weepy over taking out a mass murderer"
Has anybody become weepy Don - seems most of us are having a bit of difficulty telling the difference?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 11 - 06:57 PM

"Of course, the British never dirtied their hands in India...."
Can't speak for Silas but - yes Britain certainly did, and has my full condemnation for having done so.
I don't think they napalmed third world peasants, or attempted to destroy their food sources with Agent Orange - nor did they drive them into their huts and burn them to death, as did your Major Calley - but what they did was no less excusable - The Empire On Which The Sun Never Sets, or The Blood Never Dries - that was how I was brought up to think of the British Empire.
And just as you got your collective arses kicked off the roof of the Saigon Embassy, our country got kicked out of (most of) our former colonies.
Some of us learned our lesson from what our Governments did - now let's hear it from you for waterboarding, or special rendition, or collateral damage, or detention without trial.... or all the other aspects of American civiliasation that puts gas in the tanks of your SUVs.
As with Keith - I won't hold my breath though!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 11 - 06:44 PM

All weepy over taking out a mass murderer who was undoubtedly in the process of planning more mass murders (indeed, that was his stated intent).

This man was responsible for the deaths of 3,000 plus people some ten years ago. People who got up in the morning and went to work as usual, who shortly thereafter were suddenly confronted with such decisions as having to choose whether to jump out of a fiftieth story window and plunge to their deaths in the street below or stay there and burn to death.

And I seem to recall there was an explosion or two in London undergrounds, plotted by the same man, that killed a lot of people, people who had harmed no one, and who also were only going about their normal day's activities.

The peculiar sentiments of some people here are enough to gag a maggot!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 11 - 06:24 PM

Mosquitos more worthy of mercy than bin Laden: Dalai Lama

The Dalai Lama, the leader of Tibetan Buddhism, implied at a talk that the Obama administration's targeted killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was justified.

During a talk at the University of Southern California Tuesday, the Dalai Lama was asked about bin Laden's killing, and whether that could be rationalized in the context of Buddhism's dharma of forgiveness and compassion.

"Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened," he said, according to the LA Times. "If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."

In the same talk, titled "Secular Ethics, Human Values and Society," the Dalai Lama also said he tries to avoid killing mosquitos when they land on him, "when my mood is good and there is no danger of malaria."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/04/mosquitos-more-worthy-of-mercy-than-bin-laden-dalai-lama/


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:57 PM

"Pity the perpetrator and blame the victim."
I pity nobody here - Where have I expressed pity for anybody - do not put words into my mouth.
They are all a bunch of terrorists, and unlike you, I am not prepared to put the defence of my, or anybody's country in the hands of anybody else - whatever happened to that Union Jack you were waving so vehemently not s long ago - do you think that every country should throw open its borders to any foreign power?
What would your reaction to a bunch of cowboy marines storming through London, or Manchester?
Do you give the right to the US to drop in whenever they feel like taking out somebody in Britain?
I can't help but notice that you avoid commenting on their record on human rights violations and use of torture - that's ok is it?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:32 PM

Visualize this scenario:

The US, having ascertained that Osama bin Laden is almost certainly living in a villa a short drive from the capital of Pakistan, presents their ambassador in Washington with a formal note requesting his extradition to face criminal charges in the US. Acting in an extremely expeditious manner for Pakistanis, a constable of the Abbottabad police force arrived at his compound only three weeks later to request his peaceful surrender so that a decision can be made on whether or not the American request will be honored, or if he will be deported to his native Saudi Arabia instead. To the policeman's surprise, he finds the place deserted. Seal Team 6, having been sitting in the SOG ready room at Hurlburt AFB, FL for the past 3 1/2 weeks, goes home. Articles of Impeachment are served on Pres. Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:08 PM

Jim,
"you got it wrong - Pakistan complained,"

No they did not.
They expressed concern.
As you say, any other country would be outraged, but they are grateful for the help against a mass murderer of their people.

The blame for London's dead lies with the West you say.
Pity the perpetrator and blame the victim.
That is your philosophy.
Right Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:53 PM

Actually, gn-zer... The Pakistani president has an op-ed in today's Washigton Post that says the very same thing...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: andrew e
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:43 PM

Some alternative views.


http://whatreallyhappened.com/


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/


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