BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM

Evidently this raid on Bin Laden's secret compound had been in the planning stages since February. It's nice to know that our armed forces are capable of carrying out such high risk mission.

Now, can we all go home?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM

Keith -

Al Quaeda, the Taliban, yadda-yadda-yadda - they won't be defeated by the gun. For each one that's blown away, another will spring up to replace him - FACT.

Vengeance is an ugly concept - FACT.

Too many have died in this century already. It won't stop with the killing of OBL, in fact his death will change nothing except, probably, to further radicalise Muslim extremists, and refresh and revitalise their hatred of the US and its allies - FACT.

The time to 'get' OBL was ten years ago - immediate retribution when the scale of his evil-doing was still fresh in everyone's minds (including his followers'). The Muppets blew it back then. It's a complete waste of effort now (unless you happen to be an American President who's trying desperately to secure his future employment) - FACT.

Education, not brute force, is the strongest weapon we have against people like OBL and his followers - FACT.

IMHO, YMMV etc.

I'm out (and I mean it).

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:40 AM

You can the yanks (poor souls) have little experience of this sort of thing. We had 30 years of this with the IRA. Nows the time you have to be specially careful - some other ghastly atrocity will be committed as a 'reprisal'.

Bet on it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Arnie
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:44 AM

This is when we discover whether or not there really are 'dirty' nuclear bombs hidden in various cities across the West.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:50 AM

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth only makes the whole world blind and toothless. (M.M. Gandhi).

Keith, I believe our freedom and liberty had Nothing to do with his hatred of us. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq is why he hated us. He said so and I have no reason to doubt him.

If I was in any part of that area of the world, I would get the hell out, NOW! Mark my words, heads will roll.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:08 AM

Hard to explain Kendall. but you've got to see it. Its an arab thing. Its still there in the south of Spain, where they ruled for so long. England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence. Live with it - they hate our guts. Our ability to respond to a smack in the face is probably the one thing they respect.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:25 AM

Those who swore they wanted dance on his grave, are now free to do so. :-)
Surely his being buried at sea is no bar?
Certainly a difficult place to build a shrine too!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:13 AM

Expect immediate retaliatory action on American interests aboard by members/units unable to contain their anger be means of suicide missions. Biggest worry will be from the thinking men within this organisation. They will most likely bide their time until the code red begins to dim. The incident will not go without a credible response, sadly a number of innocent civilians will most likely be the preferred target and pay with their lives.

I recall in Ulster, cutting edge responses usually came within a three year window. Long enough for senior security to relax it's guard and short enough to be seen as a response by those who support them.

His removal was never up for negotiation, he had to go, but I suspect his leadership role diminished several years ago due to inability to travel.   

A very concerning time ahead for all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:15 AM

"...England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence..."

Sadly, they are exactly that.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:17 AM

Already in my short drive taking my son to school I heard consrvative radio talk show hosts pointing out that this raid had been in the planning stages long before Obama got into office. So why is he getting all the credit? It all started with Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:09 AM

Who gives a shit?

Does anyone with even a little brains think the death of this one man in an organization the size of Al Quaida is going to make any difference whatsoever?

Whoopee, the Land Of The Free And The Home Of The Brave carried out an assassination -- and in doing so created another thousand Bin Ladens.

The moment they shot Osama in the head, they shot the U.S. in the foot, if not in a more vital spot.

Besides, chances of being killed by Bin Laden & his gang approach negative numbers. Now, Been Drinkin'- THERE'S a real killer

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM

" "...England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence..."

Sadly, they are exactly that. "


You say "moral decadence" as if it were a bad thing. Sorry, but neither country has anything to apologize for. Some folks seem to feel that the only defense is to grab your ankles and bend over and apologize for creating the situation. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I'm not a flag waver and I'm not about to go dancing in the street, but this threat had to be fought.   Sure, there were many mistakes and many lives wasted. We can't change what has happened, but we can affect the future so that this won't happen again.

Education IS the best defense, and showing Bin Laden with a bullet in his head and dumped in the ocean is a just image of what will happen when you try to inflict warped values on others.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM

Jeri wrote:
So important to get the 'scoop', eh?
Obama was supposed to be on at 10:30, before the leak hit the air. It's nearly an hour later now, everybody knows, and folks have to get up in the morning. I feel very ambivalent about Bin Laden. Glad they finally got him, but not going to put the party hat on and get the noise-maker out.

On a different sort of positive note, this new pre-empted Trump's Celebrity Apprentice. (He fired Hope.)

***

Proof that in these days of celebrity worship nobody is guilty of anything other than being boring.

But don't worry. The "Osama's not really dead" conspiracy theories are already flying. You can entertain yourself with that, I'm sure.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM

Allen, how far back do you want to go? The Crusades?, when Richard the Lionheart slaughtered 50,000 Muslim men women and children?He wiped out a whole village of civilians.

The problem is, they are convinced that we are out to destroy Islam, and that is the fuel that keeps them going.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM

One cannot defeat a movement of hate through a bullet or a bomb. The only thing that defeats hate is to understand the root cause of it and take action to do some good. 1000 more like him just spring up. If his death saves more innocent lives then I accept that but I do not believe it changes anything. Hate brings on more hate ... No matter who the man is, no matter how evil the deeds. I will never celebrate the death of another. With each act of violence, we lose part of ourselves, no matter the country, no matter the race, creed or religion.

The world is a violent place, yes we need to protect ourselves, but we also need to think about our own actions and policies that initially caused the hate to form ..

I am glad to hear no seals were killed or wounded. They just carry out their orders and make no political calls. They take the oath and take it serious and seal team 6 is the best of the best. At least I am thankful they are ok.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM

////The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?////

So if they showed his body blown to bits, you'd have bought that?

It doesn't make any difference what they show or don't show. We are at the mercy of what the press reports and doesn't report. We hate to admit that we only know what they tell us but it's true. So is he dead or alive? Take your pick.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:56 AM

I prefer to live in a 'morally decadent' country that allows me, as a female, the right to education, to decent medical attention and to being able to choose for myself who and whether to marry. I prefer to be able to dress as I please, even at the risk of offending others,to drive a car, go out unaccompanied, take up whatever work I am capable of and to make the myriad decisions about my own life that are denied to many Muslim women, including being able to divorce an abusive husband and retain custody of my children.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:01 AM

He wasn't "Blown to bits", he was shot in the head.

Old Dude, right on. We should cease disrespecting them and remove the reasons they hate us. ie invading Muslim countries, stationing our "Infidel troops" on their holy ground, and coveting their oil!
We started this punch up when we invaded Iraq 20 years ago. They hit us BACK!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:06 AM

////The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?////

The burial at sea also makes sure that there isn't a shrine made out of his body and his funeral can't be turned into an event.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:07 AM

While there is a long history of Western aggression against Islam that may justify some of their actions, let's face it: Islam is a religion in need of enemies.

Look what happens when there's no Jews or Americans around to hate--they turn on each other. Remember when the Sunnis and Shiites were roaming the streets of Baghdad killing each other openly and the US occupational forces could do nothing to stop it but wall themselves inside their little Green Zone compound?

They're great at directing tremendous hate at the West but when there are no Westerners around to hate, they direct it just as virulently at one another.

You know why Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other? They disagree over whether a certain lieutenant of Mohammad was the first or the fourth caliph. That's at the root of their murderous hatred towards one another.

These are people who need someone to hate. It really doesn't matter who. So all this "killing Osama will just make another thousand Osamas want to take his place" is typical bleeding heart crap that ignores the reality of Islam--that there were a thousand Osamas ready to take his place long before he was dead. And if he isn't dead--one of them will surely kill him now so he can take his place.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bill D
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:19 AM

They announced "big news coming" at 10:15PM, at 10:20, I told my wife,"I'll bet they got bin Laden" at 10:40, news people who had 'sources' could no longer restrain themselves and began leaking what they knew.

As to what it means, and what will happen? That IS speculation. One man whose opinion I respect is Richard Engle, who speaks Arabic and spent much time in Afghanistan. He believes this will 'generally' reduce al Quaida's influence and help end this chapter.
Will there be some individual acts of attempted 'revenge'? Probably...but so what? If we had gotten bin Laden at Tora Bora 9 years ago, there would STILL have been reactions from those who viewed him as a hero!
All we have done is said: "We won't take attacks on us without responding."

What else did they expect?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:20 AM

These are the folks who did the heavy lifting:

"The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives. They exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification and often outside the boundaries of international law. To maintain plausible deniability in case they are caught, records of black operations are rarely, if ever, kept."

"When a former Navy SEAL was called for a comment about this article all he could say was: "You know I'd love to help you man, but I can't say a word about Team 6. There is no Team 6."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/02/meet-the-navy-seals-who-killed-osama-bin-laden/

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: pdq
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:24 AM

"...questions are already being asked about how much the Pakistan authorities knew about his location."

Actually, the Pakistani government is working against the US in every way possible. They are two-faced SOBs who want the US to lose in Afghanistan and they allow the Taliban to have safe refuge in the western part of their counrty. They are Muslim and we are not. It's that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:27 AM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?

Thinking logically: There's nothing the USA could win by lying in this case. OBL would love to send a tape in which he speaks about an event after yesterday and Obama would have egg on his face.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Taconicus
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:28 AM

It's a nice change that we finally did everything right: don't inform the false Pakistani allies in advance so he's not warned; shoot to kill, not capture, so we don't have a show trial or hostages taken to secure his release; dump (er, bury) the body at sea so we don't have a grave to serve as a shrine for his followers, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:32 AM

Some of these comments remind me of an old joke.

A boxer goes into the ring and the bell sounds for the first round. He is first tapped a couple of times by his opponent, and responds by covering up and retreating. His opponent then comes after him in a flurry of punches which rock him, but he recovers and continues covering up. At the end of the round, his trainer holds a wet cloth to his battered face and says "why in hell don't you hit him back?"
The fighter looks at the trainer through swollen eyes and says "I don't want to make him mad."

Bin Laden intentionally murdered 3000 innocent people and was the sworn enemy of my country. I don't care if it happened yesterday or ten years ago. He got less than what he deserved in my opinion. They should have turned him over to the thousands who lost family members to his twisted blood lust. I thank and congratulate the brave men who were dropped into his compound and flushed him out of his nest.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:33 AM

I am glad to hear it, although I see no grounds for celebration.

My prediction: the several branches of Al Qeda will begin sputtering and dying out by attrition.


A

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:38 AM

No matter who the man is, no matter how evil the deeds. I will never celebrate the death of another. With each act of violence, we lose part of ourselves, no matter the country, no matter the race, creed or religion.

Same here, olddude.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Taconicus
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:40 AM

A number of people around here are so steeped in the anti-(American) military tradition that they could never bring themselves to find cause for celebration in any American military victory.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Beer
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:50 AM

My exactly Amos. I look at the celebrations over hear and think the only thing missing is guns shooting in the air. Is it really the end of a great war? I don't think so. A quiet vigil would show a lot more class and respect.
ade.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:57 AM

I don't see a reason to parade in the street waving a flag either. I would suggest it is highly appropriate, whatever your feeling about this, to take a moment and pause, and think about where these people might be today if Bin Laden had never existed.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:05 PM

Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the deaths of thousands, not only in the US but all in other countries. His orders killed Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and those of other faiths or no faith at all.

I wish he could have been brought to trial (the order, according to Obama, was to "capture or kill"). Now, according to his faith, he has to answer to a Higher Judge -- I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:10 PM

The bleeding hearts on here are really starting to piss me off. If you don't like this country GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:16 PM

Which country?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:19 PM

Well, josepp, it might be pointed out that many of the posters to this thread are not residents of this country. In addition, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that's what America is supposed to be about, right?
Having said that, I completely get why you are pissed off.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: michaelr
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:27 PM

Josepp, if you don't like this forum, why don't you get the fuck out?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:34 PM

Anybody who lives outside the US who are criticizing the US action to kill Bin Laden need to shut up. 9-11 didn't happen in their country.

And it wasn't payback for Iraq. Apparently these idiots don't realize that Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq happened AFTER 9-11. And for the record-- I despise George Bush and everything he stands for and I loathe with every fiber of my being anyone who supports him. After Abu Ghraib, I consider such scum scarcely human.

But the people who participated in torture at Abu Ghraib were disgraced, some sent to prison. The US doesn't always do the right thing. I was ashamed of the invasion of Iraq. But Bin Laden declared war on the US and drew innocent blood without a hint of an apology for it. He got what he deserved.

I'm sick of these "every person who is killed takes away from us" bullshit. It's letting certain people live who don't deserve it which disrespects that person's victims and their families that takes away from us. They hide their cowardice behind bullshit platitudes and use it to act holier than thou and I am goddamn sick of it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:36 PM

////Josepp, if you don't like this forum, why don't you get the fuck out?////

I wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:42 PM

Ding Dong! bin Laden's dead. Which old bitch? The Wicked bitch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked bitch is dead.
Wake up - you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked bitch is dead.
He's gone where goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked bitch is dead!

(Obama)
As commander and chief, In the County of the Land of Ooz, I inform you most regally.
(Petraus)
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
(Panetta)
To see?
(O'Reilly)
If he
(Panetta)
Is burned and buried at sea
(O"Reilly))
Is morally, ethicly, certainly, interestingly
(Father No.1)
Spiritually, physically
Father No. 2
Positively, absolutely
(Talking Heads)
Undeniably and reliably Dead

(DNA expert)
As Coroner I must concur, I thoroughly examined his mitochondrial DNA cross referencing it with his sister...
And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.
(Obama)
Then this is a day of Independence For all good Americans and their descendants
(Petraus)
If any.
(Panetta)
Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old bitch at last is dead!


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as for my fellow Americans telling other fellow Americans to get out of the country, that is of course the most Un American thing you can say, intend and spew. Get a grip or get some help.

Remember your hero,
"FInding bin Laden is not important"
George W Bush

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:43 PM

No Seal Team 6 is not black ops. They are counter Terrorism specialists and the most highly trained unit in the Seals. They are currently on loan to the CIA but they are not black ops ... that is entirely different and usually involves Delta or the CIA's own special tactical group

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:45 PM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?

What, do we think he was stuffed and mounted on somebody's wall?

Bin Laden releases a video every two or three months. Don't you think he'd already have one on Al Jazeera if he was alive?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:50 PM

There is a picture of the hole in the water where he was dumped, if that makes you feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:53 PM

We have retained his nose and are storing it in liquid nitrogen.
Perhaps one day it will be stolen and they will try to clone fearless leader back to life from his nose...or has that already been done?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:55 PM

And a Holy Hole it is.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:56 PM

We have seen what has become of the Birthers.

Ir you really want to contest the death of he who I will no longer mention, you will be reffered to as the crazy Deather.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:57 PM

More on the Navy Seal team that got him, also photos and schemata of his compound: http://nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/the-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden-20110502

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:05 PM

I have video of two well known generals conversing and gleefully gesticulating prior to the Obama announcment at Noon today. You can clearly see one general excitedly describing the wounds of "the evil one" by pointing to the left eye and temporal region as well as the right occipital region. He did this by pointing to places on the other general's head and then pointing to his own left eye.

I thought of kids in a candy store.

These kind of dark scenarios is what I refer to as the new American Gothic.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:07 PM

I am certainly concerned that the absence of a dead body will fail to seem convincing to the Arab world.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:19 PM

"Why didn't Pakistan help us find bin Laden, after all we have given them 18 billion dollars since 2001 to help us find him?"


isn't it great when they answer their own question with the question itself?