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BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

bobad 03 May 11 - 06:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:49 PM

The touchy-feely platitudes and accusations of lawlessness apply equally to the terrorists, I presume.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:35 PM

Don-

"The word I heard was that bin Laden was found in an upstairs room. There was a woman with him (not necessarily "in flagrante delicto"). He was told to surrender and come quietly. He grabbed the woman to use her as a shield and was reaching for a weapon when the raiders opened fire, trying carefully to avoid wounding the woman and hitting him twice in the head."

That was one of the initial reports but now the story is that the woman was his wife and she was wounded in the foot when she tried to rush to Seals. Then they shot the unarmed Bin Laden twice in the head. His wife survived.

GfS-

You're on your own special trip now. Have fun while it lasts.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: andrew e
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:57 PM

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr.

None of us know the "truth". Only what we're told, which can change
from day to day.

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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:36 PM

Nope. His wife trued to rush the US soldiers and was shot but not fatally.

ObL was double-tapped, once in the head and once in the chest.

Come in peace (?) , shoot to kill.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:31 PM

Hmmmmm???

So bib Laden was wrestling with a woman and trying to retrieve a weapon at the same time???

Something fishy here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:28 PM

It is now officially admitted that ObL was unarmed.

This is the day civilisation ended.

There is now no rule of law or safety of life.

What has been established is that the US will kill who it likes, where it likes, when it likes, without trial and without any pretext of self defence.

Welcome to the wild West.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:27 PM

McG. I think you meant that France was invaded in 1939.
What about the Bruneval raid 1942?
Was that an invasion of France too?
Dieppe 1942?
St. Nazaire 1942?
No.
They were raids, not to be compared with invasions like that of 1939 and 1944.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:13 PM

The word I heard was that bin Laden was found in an upstairs room. There was a woman with him (not necessarily "in flagrante delicto"). He was told to surrender and come quietly. He grabbed the woman to use her as a shield and was reaching for a weapon when the raiders opened fire, trying carefully to avoid wounding the woman and hitting him twice in the head.

That was the report that I heard. Your mileage may vary.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:11 PM

Invasion is a word, not a verdict regarding whether it is justified or not. It means one country's military forces enter into another country without the consent of the invaded country. It may be followed by an occupation or by a withdrawal or retreat.

For example, France was invaded in 1949, and Germany was invaded in 1945.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bill D
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:11 PM

GfS... you sure have some 'interesting' suggestions ...


..that would ASSURE new terrorist recruits and jihads for years to come. Why don't you just threaten to bomb Mecca? Or something equally asinine...


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bobert
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:05 PM

I will be the first to admit that I have not had time to follow the story as close as I'd like but I had to drive into town and had NPR on and NPR reported that bin Laden was unarmed when he was shot...

Anyone have the facts???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:12 PM

Oh, and with a caption for the photo, "This awaits ALL Muslim terrorists who we capture, or kill in action!!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:07 PM

Don-Babes, I think you hit it on the head!!!

Oh, and as an addendum to my last post, I think they should release the photos, with OBL pecker cut off, and stuffed in his mouth, and his body wrapped in pig shit. Maybe that would send a message to any other would be radical Muslim terrorists!!!

...Respectfully,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:05 PM

/// josepp

I'm sure you know what Kendall meant. You constant prattling on about who invaded whom is worse than useless. Fact is Osama DID complain about "invasion" of his holy lands. "Invasion" was his choice of words Whether he meant, Arabia, or all of the Middle East or every Arab land was not made clear. Why don't you go argue with him?

By the way. I'd tell you just how I thought about how you were acting. But if I said you were acting like and asshole you would probably tell me that "Websters" defines you as dickhead.   

Also, I liked the comments about the neighbors. I like the Muslims I have met. I agree with your point of view on that issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:55 PM

In 1991, Iraq invaded Kuwait with the aim of appropriating and taking control of their oil resources. The United States, acting in Kuwait's behalf, repelled the Iraqi invader and drove them out and back into their own country. The United States "invaded" Iraq only in a very loose sense of the word "invade."

International Law recognizes "the Right of Hot Pursuit." This permits a nation or law enforcement agency to pursue wrong-doers, whether they are private criminals (such as, say, pirates) or the retreating armed forces of a hostile country across national borders without it being construed as an "invasion" as such.

Discovering the location of a wanted international criminal and entering another country to get him falls under the "hot pursuit" clause of International Law, and although the host country may bellow like a goosed moose, it does not constitute an "invasion," provided the pursuers withdraw once the criminal is dealt with. Especially if there is some suspicion that the country may actually be sheltering the criminal and denying it, while claiming to cooperate.

"It's in the book!"
             —Doodles Weaver

The actual invasion of Iraq, declared by the Bush Administration in response (according to Bush) to the 9/11 attack and Iraq's alleged stockpiling of weapons of mass destruction (which turned out not to exist), was an invasion. But obviously that did not occur until some time after September 11, 2001

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:55 PM

GfS-

I think myself a peaceful person but I agree with you that shooting Bib Laden, armed or not, was the better call than taking him prisoner. It's not the morally correct call but it's politically efficient.

Now maybe Obama can focus on getting our troops our of Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention creating more jobs for the unemployed.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:30 PM

Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Monday hailed Osama bin Laden's death as a key turning point in the world's struggle against terrorism.

"The death of Osama bin Laden, announced by President (Barack) Obama last night, is a watershed moment in our common global fight against terrorism," Ban told reporters.

U.S. officials said late on Sunday that bin Laden had been killed in a U.S. assault on his Pakistani compound on Monday, then quickly buried at sea.

"The crimes of al Qaeda touched most continents, bringing tragedy and loss of life to thousands of men, women and children," Ban said.

"This is a day to remember the victims and families of victims here in the United States and everywhere in the world," he added.

The written version of Ban's reaction included several remarks that were not included in the statement he made to reporters on camera. The additional comments made clear that Ban felt the U.S. targeting of bin Laden was just.

"Personally, I am very much relieved by the news that justice has been done to such a mastermind of international terrorism," Ban said in the emailed text of his statement.

"I would like to commend the work and the determined and principled commitment of many people in the world who have been struggling to eradicate international terrorism," he added.

(Reporting by Louis Charbonneau; Editing by Paul Simao)


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:27 PM

Now the White House is releasing information, that Osama wasn't armed, when he was shot dead....hmm..now before all the doily-headed, numb-skulls, start bitching of how unfair that was, consider that neither was anyone in the Trade Towers, either....or the commuters in train stations, or most of the people that he, and his cohorts murdered either.
Personally, I think the SEALS were on a mission to 'neutralize', him and gather intelligence, and that's what they did...FINALLY!
I do commend the whole operation, and Obama's decision to do it....in fact, I hope they get the rest of the scum-suckers, from the intelligence they gathered, Pakistan straightens up, and then the President gets onto cleaning up the economy, and the corruption that caused all of it!....and its not open for a stupid 'debate'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:26 PM

So has US now "invaded" Pakistan?
Of course not.
It carried out a limited operation on Pakistani territory and withdrew, as with Gulf war 1 and the attempt to rescue hostages in Iran a few years earlier.
Not invasions.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:15 PM

CP is reporting "Pakistan slams US". Others are reporting Pakistan's foreign minister as approving in press conference. ???


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:55 PM

////Obviously, you guys, there is a difference between invading someone's territory, and overthrowing their government and taking control of their capitol. When we drove Saddam out of Kuwait we conquered him, invaded part of his territory, whupped his army, and left.////

No, you didn't read the verbatim definition of invasion I posted from Meriam-Websters. Breaching the borders is an incursion. An invasion is an incursion for purposes or plunder or conquering. The US is guilty only of an incursion. The US did not invade Iraq in 1991. The US invaded Iraq in 2003.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,roderick warner
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:49 PM

Osama? One scumbag less...


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:40 PM

Obviously, you guys, there is a difference between invading someone's territory, and overthrowing their government and taking control of their capitol. When we drove Saddam out of Kuwait we conquered him, invaded part of his territory, whupped his army, and left.


We invaded him without overthrowing him.

Second time, we overthrew him.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:17 PM

The US's actions in 1991 simply don't meet the definition of an invasion.

Sez you. Rave on.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:14 PM

Well, of course, he lied. I'm asking how he could have convinced anyone of the lie if Saddam had been conquered 1991?

This isn't rocket science, folks. Those who say the US invaded Iraq in 1991 are wrong. Just admit it--you're wrong. The US's actions in 1991 simply don't meet the definition of an invasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:08 PM

How did George Bush manage to convince the American public

Easy. He lied.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:03 PM

////I'm keeping MY eye on the ball in MY court-- new Islamic friends to (hopefully) continue to get to know.////

There's an eatery down the street from me run by two Arab brothers, both Muslims. I was talking to the younger brother one night and he said that Jews and Muslims are cousins and the fighting would stop if only people on both sides would quit stirring things up.

"Osama bin Laden?" he said, "I would gladly kill him myself if I knew where he was."

Unfortunately, the press only plays up on the crazy Muslims in America rather than ones like my friends down the street.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 01:53 PM

////Josepp, you are wrong. The Coalition forces conquered Saddam in 1991. He lost - that is what conquer means. They choose not to occupy. Accept it.////

Oh, really? They conquered Saddam in 1991? Then who was running Iraq from 1992 until the Invasion?

How did George Bush manage to convince the American public and apparently much of the world that Saddam, conquered since 1991, had somehow managed to stockpile over 25,000 liters of anthrax ("enough doses to kill several million people"), over 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin ("enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure"), approximately "500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" along with "upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents"? Not to mention trying to get 500 tons of yellowcake out of Niger! That's pretty good for a conquered leader.

It's only because he was not conquered that Bush foisted that lie off on the world and got away with it.

The dirty ragged man they pulled out of spider hole in December of 2003? THAT was a conquered leader. Could the US have conquered him in 1991 if they wanted to? Yes, of course. The US chose not to and therefore there was no invasion. Iraqi troops were chased out of Kuwait and it was left at that.

Now, come on, be reasonable.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 11 - 01:40 PM

Pretty much everyone has welcomed it including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan (Karzai has also told NATO it must stop bombing.), Pakistan... only bunch I have heard of so far that haven't is Hamas.

NHK Japan...

US officials say Osama bin Laden was buried at sea after his death was confirmed by DNA testing.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, officials from the Defense Department and the CIA revealed the multiple methods used to identify the body of the Al Qaeda leader.

They said bin Laden was identified by a woman believed to be his wife, and by CIA experts who compared his face and body to known pictures of bin Laden.

The officials also said that a DNA test using samples collected from bin Laden's family members confirmed the identity.

A senior government official said that it was difficult to find a country willing to accept the remains and bury them within 24 hours in accordance with Islamic practice.

The official said that the corpse was lowered into the Arabian Sea from a US aircraft carrier on Monday.

The US government says there has been no evidence showing that the Pakistani government knew bin Laden was hiding in a compound near Islamabad.

The US government hopes to collect information about senior members of Al Qaeda by examining items, including computers, confiscated from the hideout.

Tuesday, May 03, 2011 08:32 +0900 (JST)


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 May 11 - 01:37 PM

LH-

Thoughtful point of view.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 May 11 - 01:27 PM

Wesley, That clip shows the Boers lined up and shot firing squad style after being captured and secured.

I think it was more like this.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 May 11 - 01:23 PM

Article: On Bin Laden's Death


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 May 11 - 12:53 PM

There was no invasion of Iraq in 1991

Not only is he WRONG, Art, he'a apparently delusional.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 11 - 11:29 AM

How's THIS for surreal. Saturday was to have been the Race Against Racism, for which I had joined the Islamic Society's team to get to know and learn about THEIR culture. They welcomed me warmly to the team... I worked on getting sponsors.... but the Race got postponed to June, due to flooding at the venue.

Then we were away from TV/papers for a few days, and only learned of the purported hit on Bin Laden, when we were driving yesterday to an event. We learned it accidentally via cell from the contact we'd called for parking info-- she said that the venue had been closed and evacuated the night before due to an Islamic bomb threat because of Bin Laden! She wasn't sure we could even get into the city it was to be held in! And there WE were, worrying that the GPS might or might not work to find their new convention center!

It was an anti-racism event about the Underground Railroad, and on the way home-- as I reflected on the presentation, the consultation I picked up, and the issues of the people we'd just met-- all I could think about was the new friend I'd made for that Race, at the Islamic Society... and the awareness that I know NOTHING about how his life has changed since the weekend, but that it must have! And that it's on me to let him know that he is in my thoughts!

Bin Laden, BTW? We'll never "really" know, any more than we can ever be sure what really happened in Dallas. Too many layers of story-spinning, by real perfessionals. I'm keeping MY eye on the ball in MY court-- new Islamic friends to (hopefully) continue to get to know.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 May 11 - 11:19 AM

Josepp, you are wrong. The Coalition forces conquered Saddam in 1991. He lost - that is what conquer means. They choose not to occupy. Accept it.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 11 - 11:13 AM

"Why didn't Pakistan help us find bin Laden, after all, we have given them 18 billion dollars since 2001 to help us find him?"


isn't it great when they answer their own question with their own question ?




What have you learned about Usama since the raid?

I learned he slept on a water bed with an unfinished pine board frame. He kept a jar of Vasoline by the bed. He had the same carpet I have. He seemed to not have a choice about where to live. The secret police probably kept him there as an ace in the hole for US aid or ransom, whichever was greater.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 11 - 11:07 AM

Justice being served is a stretch but just revenge or vengeful justice is closer to the mark


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 11:06 AM

/////""What right would the US have to complain if we kept telling the SAS that we didn't have that high priority terrorist target when they can see he's living in Washington DC six blocks from the White House?""

Disingenuous Josepp.

You know damn well that would not be the response. The next day the President would be demanding that the members of that SAS unit be handed over to the US for trial, and threatening military action if they were not./////

No, I do not know that damn well and neither do you. And even if the US did that, Pakistan is in no position to so who cares?

"You came into our country illegally and took Bin Laden!"

"Well, you swore you didn't have him after we gave you billions of dollars in aid as an ally."

Now what does Pakistan say? No, Pakistan is going to be very quiet. Look at it this way, one day your car is missing and you ask your neighbor if he saw anything. He says no. Then one day, he opens his garage door and you could SWEAR that's your missing car in there! You go to the cops who tell you, "We need more than that. You have to prove it's your car." So you open the guy's garage while he's at work and it's definitely yours. Now who are the cops going to arrest? You for breaking into his garage or him for grand theft auto?

////Where is the moral justification for doing to others what you would not accept being done to you?/////

You want deeply religious president, Don? I've had enough of those. I want a practical one and what Obama did was practical. I'd be furious with a president who refused to act on religious grounds.

////The end achieved was a worthwhile one, rather spoiled by the means used to achieve it.////

And you know damn well you'd have done exactly the same thing if you were in Obama's shoes. You know if you ask permission, Bin Laden will be spirited away and then Pakistan will deny he was ever there. By doing it this way, Pakistan is exposed for the lying, two-faced bastards they are. They're the ones with explaining to do. As far as I am concerned Obama was perfectly justified.

/////I would be quite interested in hearing the opinion of the UN on this one, but I fear they will wimp out.////

Anyone heere who thinks Obama was wrong to do it this way, tell me what you would have done if you were in his place. I know this is going to be GOOD.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 03 May 11 - 10:48 AM

Here's the Meriam-Webster definition verbatim. There was no invasion of Iraq in 1991. There was no conquest of plunder. Accept it.

Main Entry:in£va£sion
Pronunciation:in-*v*-zh*n
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle English invasioune, from Anglo-French invasion, from Late Latin invasion-, invasio, from Latin invadere to invade
Date:15th century

1 : an act of invading; especially   : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2 : the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 May 11 - 10:45 AM

US forces, without proper authority, secretly entered the territory of a nation with which the US was not at war, proposed unlawfully to kidnap someone by force, and when he resisted, killed him. 9

Such as the Israeli kidnapping of Adolf Eichmann?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 11 - 10:21 AM

Oh, I'm not saying he isn't dead (I've started calling him Been Laden), just that I wish we'd seen the body before they buried it at sea.
There should be another word for that, to me "burial" implies in the ground. Maybe me cause in French it's "enterrer" - put into the earth - but still.
I have to say that it's the first time I was glad somebody was dead, and I was properly ashamed of myself for that feeling. Now I've rationalized it into being happy for Obama. Bet he still doesn't say Been Laden as often as Bush said 9/11 when campaigning for reelection!

(Footnote: it wasn't Al Quaeda who killed my dad in 1983, it was Hezbollah, financed by Iran - specifically Ayatollah-following Syrian-trained Lebanese moslems. But I'm still not sorry, not even that we went into another country to get him, since we'd warned that other country we would.)


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 May 11 - 07:58 AM

Janie, I forgot to say earlier on...that link of yours, yes, very thought provoking indeed. I've often wondered about so many deeply intelligent folks who decide to cross that fatal line into destruction rather than salvation.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 May 11 - 07:46 AM

It seems clearer this morning that the Presidential order was "Shoot to kill!" for better or worse. I hope the Administration doesn't release the video and the still photography for a few decades, with the exception of one of the funeral ceremony.

Those who publicly celebrated Bin Laden's execution should realize (but probably won't) that videos of their "joy" will be spread around the world and be used to recruit more suicide bombers.

A "day (or year) in court" for Bin Laden instead of execution would have endangered thousands more.

Maybe this "immoral choice" was the better call.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 May 11 - 07:12 AM

It's also being reported that when the Seals took Osamas body away that they also removed his computer and hard drive. That should be interesting.

So what to the 9/11 "inside job" cultists have to say about all of this?

By the way - isn't it time to remove the question marks from the title of this thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:58 AM

Apparently, so I've just heard on the BBC News, Obama and Hilary Clinton were watching everything on video link. Whether they filmed the actual murder, I've no idea...but I find that fact disturbing.

Also, it was said that the moment he'd been given news that Osama bin Laden was dead, he immediately went out to tell the world.

Yet, wasn't the news already out there on the internet, prior to President Obama telling everyone?


I have such a bad feeling about all of this. Such a gut-churning, gut-wrenching feeling..and watching so many people whooping it up in New York made that feeling even worse.   It was almost as if I could sense, in other parts of the world, others watching those very same scenes, whilst in their heads and their hearts declaring the word 'JIHAD!' as never before...

I just hope to Allah that I am wrong.

But with this murder the world becomes an even more dangerous place.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:56 AM

Don, I posted Bam Ki Moon's reaction.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:07 AM

""What right would the US have to complain if we kept telling the SAS that we didn't have that high priority terrorist target when they can see he's living in Washington DC six blocks from the White House?""

Disingenuous Josepp.

You know damn well that would not be the response. The next day the President would be demanding that the members of that SAS unit be handed over to the US for trial, and threatening military action if they were not.

Where is the moral justification for doing to others what you would not accept being done to you?

The end achieved was a worthwhile one, rather spoiled by the means used to achieve it.

I would be quite interested in hearing the opinion of the UN on this one, but I fear they will wimp out.

Don T


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:25 AM

You're still using that term "liberal" in that Americanized sense.   Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:17 AM

Well that was one long extended eventful UK Bank Holiday all in all. I was woken by my son at 5am just as the news about OBL came through saying 'Oh my God, you have got to wake up and watch this.' Bin Laden being in Pakistan did not surprise me and walking free right under peoples noses. He was obviously an educated and calculating man so knew he would be more likely to be found in hiding rather than walking around freely, clever. I am glad he is gone but I don't feel any safer with extremists around and I don't think I ever will.

If he was shot in the head as it was told on the news I can understand that action, he was the mastermind of so many atrocities it would have been too lengthy a trial for the same outcome on top of that he would have had to been fed and watered etc. The sea burial seemed the most logical thing to do under the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:08 AM

Thanks Lively, but Kuwait has been offered as a justification here.

My argument stands.


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