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BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

josepp 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM
olddude 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM
kendall 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM
josepp 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM
Mrrzy 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM
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Wesley S 02 May 11 - 09:17 AM
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GUEST,John MacKenzie 02 May 11 - 08:25 AM
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Arnie 02 May 11 - 07:44 AM
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Backwoodsman 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM

////The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?////

So if they showed his body blown to bits, you'd have bought that?

It doesn't make any difference what they show or don't show. We are at the mercy of what the press reports and doesn't report. We hate to admit that we only know what they tell us but it's true. So is he dead or alive? Take your pick.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:51 AM

One cannot defeat a movement of hate through a bullet or a bomb. The only thing that defeats hate is to understand the root cause of it and take action to do some good. 1000 more like him just spring up. If his death saves more innocent lives then I accept that but I do not believe it changes anything. Hate brings on more hate ... No matter who the man is, no matter how evil the deeds. I will never celebrate the death of another. With each act of violence, we lose part of ourselves, no matter the country, no matter the race, creed or religion.

The world is a violent place, yes we need to protect ourselves, but we also need to think about our own actions and policies that initially caused the hate to form ..

I am glad to hear no seals were killed or wounded. They just carry out their orders and make no political calls. They take the oath and take it serious and seal team 6 is the best of the best. At least I am thankful they are ok.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM

Allen, how far back do you want to go? The Crusades?, when Richard the Lionheart slaughtered 50,000 Muslim men women and children?He wiped out a whole village of civilians.

The problem is, they are convinced that we are out to destroy Islam, and that is the fuel that keeps them going.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:46 AM

Jeri wrote:
So important to get the 'scoop', eh?
Obama was supposed to be on at 10:30, before the leak hit the air. It's nearly an hour later now, everybody knows, and folks have to get up in the morning. I feel very ambivalent about Bin Laden. Glad they finally got him, but not going to put the party hat on and get the noise-maker out.

On a different sort of positive note, this new pre-empted Trump's Celebrity Apprentice. (He fired Hope.)

***

Proof that in these days of celebrity worship nobody is guilty of anything other than being boring.

But don't worry. The "Osama's not really dead" conspiracy theories are already flying. You can entertain yourself with that, I'm sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:34 AM

" "...England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence..."

Sadly, they are exactly that. "


You say "moral decadence" as if it were a bad thing. Sorry, but neither country has anything to apologize for. Some folks seem to feel that the only defense is to grab your ankles and bend over and apologize for creating the situation. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I'm not a flag waver and I'm not about to go dancing in the street, but this threat had to be fought.   Sure, there were many mistakes and many lives wasted. We can't change what has happened, but we can affect the future so that this won't happen again.

Education IS the best defense, and showing Bin Laden with a bullet in his head and dumped in the ocean is a just image of what will happen when you try to inflict warped values on others.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:09 AM

Who gives a shit?

Does anyone with even a little brains think the death of this one man in an organization the size of Al Quaida is going to make any difference whatsoever?

Whoopee, the Land Of The Free And The Home Of The Brave carried out an assassination -- and in doing so created another thousand Bin Ladens.

The moment they shot Osama in the head, they shot the U.S. in the foot, if not in a more vital spot.

Besides, chances of being killed by Bin Laden & his gang approach negative numbers. Now, Been Drinkin'- THERE'S a real killer


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:17 AM

Already in my short drive taking my son to school I heard consrvative radio talk show hosts pointing out that this raid had been in the planning stages long before Obama got into office. So why is he getting all the credit? It all started with Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:15 AM

"...England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence..."

Sadly, they are exactly that.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 02 May 11 - 09:13 AM

Expect immediate retaliatory action on American interests aboard by members/units unable to contain their anger be means of suicide missions. Biggest worry will be from the thinking men within this organisation. They will most likely bide their time until the code red begins to dim. The incident will not go without a credible response, sadly a number of innocent civilians will most likely be the preferred target and pay with their lives.

I recall in Ulster, cutting edge responses usually came within a three year window. Long enough for senior security to relax it's guard and short enough to be seen as a response by those who support them.

His removal was never up for negotiation, he had to go, but I suspect his leadership role diminished several years ago due to inability to travel.   

A very concerning time ahead for all of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:25 AM

Those who swore they wanted dance on his grave, are now free to do so. :-)
Surely his being buried at sea is no bar?
Certainly a difficult place to build a shrine too!


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:08 AM

Hard to explain Kendall. but you've got to see it. Its an arab thing. Its still there in the south of Spain, where they ruled for so long. England and especially the USA are seen as pits of moral decadence. Live with it - they hate our guts. Our ability to respond to a smack in the face is probably the one thing they respect.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:50 AM

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth only makes the whole world blind and toothless. (M.M. Gandhi).

Keith, I believe our freedom and liberty had Nothing to do with his hatred of us. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq is why he hated us. He said so and I have no reason to doubt him.

If I was in any part of that area of the world, I would get the hell out, NOW! Mark my words, heads will roll.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Arnie
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:44 AM

This is when we discover whether or not there really are 'dirty' nuclear bombs hidden in various cities across the West.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:40 AM

You can the yanks (poor souls) have little experience of this sort of thing. We had 30 years of this with the IRA. Nows the time you have to be specially careful - some other ghastly atrocity will be committed as a 'reprisal'.

Bet on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM

Keith -

Al Quaeda, the Taliban, yadda-yadda-yadda - they won't be defeated by the gun. For each one that's blown away, another will spring up to replace him - FACT.

Vengeance is an ugly concept - FACT.

Too many have died in this century already. It won't stop with the killing of OBL, in fact his death will change nothing except, probably, to further radicalise Muslim extremists, and refresh and revitalise their hatred of the US and its allies - FACT.

The time to 'get' OBL was ten years ago - immediate retribution when the scale of his evil-doing was still fresh in everyone's minds (including his followers'). The Muppets blew it back then. It's a complete waste of effort now (unless you happen to be an American President who's trying desperately to secure his future employment) - FACT.

Education, not brute force, is the strongest weapon we have against people like OBL and his followers - FACT.

IMHO, YMMV etc.

I'm out (and I mean it).


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM

Evidently this raid on Bin Laden's secret compound had been in the planning stages since February. It's nice to know that our armed forces are capable of carrying out such high risk mission.

Now, can we all go home?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:31 AM

I wonder what the "inside jobbers" will have to say about all of this? Maybe they won't believe it since the body has been buried at sea. They can get together with the Birthers and chant "Where's the body?"


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:10 AM

Osama Obama Ding Dong
Bam Bam, Osama gone
Wham Wham, Obama stay on.
Thump Thump, Donald Trumped!


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:58 AM

Pretty irrelevant?
Obama disagrees.
Early in his office he made him the first priority of the CIA.
You know better?
Bin Laden plotted the violent deaths of you and your loved ones.
It was just chance that they escaped and others just like them died.
Not relevant?
He hated your liberalism and sought to destroy it and you.
Brave men risked their own violent death to protect our liberal ideals from him and his like.
Sure he was less involved in recent years, but can you not acknowledge with some gratitude that a threat to what you hold dear has been removed?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Arnie
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:50 AM

I wonder if there was a chance of taking him alive? Must've been considered but I suppose that this would have lead to Western hostage-taking on a grand scale by Al Qaeda so much better not to give them the excuse. There will of course still be some nasty retaliation to come but taking hostages will serve no purpose and there will be no trial to disrupt. As his hideout was a high-security compound 70 miles from Islamabad, questions are already being asked about how much the Pakistan authorities knew about his location.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:56 AM

"Obama struck a less than boastful tone in his brief announcement, although he said the death of bin Laden was "the most significant achievement to date in our nation's effort to defeat al-Qaida.

"His death does not mark the end of our effort. There's no doubt that al-Qaida will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must and we will remain vigilant," he added."


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:54 AM

Maybe he's dead.

I hope this means an end to innocent people being killed by drones in ah attempt to kill this pretty irrelevant man.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:48 AM

ROFLMAO Roger. Knowing the track record of US-Military Intelligence (isn't that an oxymoron?) your report could just be true! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:44 AM

Intersting that they got him in Pakistan.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:14 AM

This just in: OBL was buried at sea. Admiral Rocco Soprano led a brief committal ceremony: "Sleep with the fishes, mother..."(transmission lost at this point.)

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:12 AM

Reports from Reuters remain confused. In revenge for a rocket attack by Mohammed Ali on British former boxer Sir Henry Cooper US forces are believed to have attacked the home products warehouse of Osman Bin Liners due to a transcription error on the Special Forces satnav. Buckingham Palace sources have denied that the helicopter shot down was taking a British copuple Mr & MRs Will & Kate Windsor-Wales to their honeymoon in the Maldives. Reports are continuing.

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: C-flat
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:12 AM

Bin Laden will have passed over the operational management of his organisation long ago, although his continued evasion of Western intelligence services still made him a powerful figurehead to every anti-western extremist group.
As such we must now expect some form of retaliation. With luck, their capabilities are seriously limited, and their rush for vengeance may prove ill-planned.
10 years ago Bin Ladens' death may have been a cause for celebration, today, whilst sending a clear message that no matter how long, terrorists will be brought to justice, it signals a time for vigilance.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:06 AM

"Bin Laden had become almost an irrelevance, they could quite easily have left him to pass away whatever time he had left in a hole in Pakistan,"

Is there not a case for justice against a mass murderer?
Reprisals?
You would have to believe that they were holding back for some reason.
All they might do is bring forward an attack planned anyway.
That means it is less likely to succeed.

This man said all Americans deserved death without discriminating between military and civilian.
He did kill thousands of you.
He was your enemy.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:30 AM

" . . . For the American forces to expect anything from me personally reflects a very narrow perception. Thousands of millions of Muslims are angry. The Americans should expect reactions from the Muslim world that are proportionate to the injustice they inflict." - Osama bin Laden - to Time Magazine Dec 1998


My Jihad Camel, the one who started his lonely trek across a Libyan desert just a few weeks ago, gained tens of thousands of supporters the other day, when Gadaffi's grandchildren were killed.

Today, it has gained millions more.....


And meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Americans rejoice.


There are times when Rejoicing & Retaliation become Twin Towers of their own, reaching far higher, far wider, into the heart of this world than mere bricks and steel could ever do, castingn shadows so dark that it may take many years for the sun to penetrate.


May God Help Us All, Inshallah


PS: I wonder who they'll blame for everything now?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:55 AM

A dead martyr is a dangerous thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:55 AM

"Backwoodsman, they were probably going to die anyway. That's the sad truth of an organization like Al Qaeda"

The operative word being probably, SRS. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Now, we'll never know, and probability has been turned into certainty. He was a sleeping dog, old and tired, that should have been let lie. Instead he's been 'martyred', and a renewed impetus almost certainly driven into his band of followers who, raggle-taggle though they may be viewed by some, have demonstrated in London, Madrid and other places that they are still capable of inflicting damage and great loss of innocent life.

Ten years ago I'd have joined in the partying. At that time it would have been a hard punch on the nose for al-Quaeda, right when they were busying patting themselves on the back. Unfortunately, the USA-ian idiot who announced that they were tracking Bin Laden by his cellphone-signals blew that chance right out of the water, and gifted him a further ten years of freedom (9/11-conspiracy-theorists, think about that one please!) Today, I think a nest of very dangerous hornets has been given an unnecessary stir for God-knows-what reason.

And, as always, the innocent will pay the price.

Usual disclaimers - IMHO, YMMV etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: skarpi
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:53 AM

I don`t believe them when they say he is dead , and I don`t believe that
Bin laden was the head of the attack on twin tower , with all the respect for the victim may they rest in peace and god watch over their love onces , I don`t trust Us , it is all about oil and it was about oil
and selling weapons and still is m,its all about power and they who runs don`t give a damm about lives . Power and greed , to make more money
and misery .

I am sorry if some one is hurt my writing , but this my feeling about this and from where I stand , this is my vision . Same goes for the question , is there a live on other planned of course it is , and are the alien `s around yes there is.

Why should we be alone in this huge universe

rest well kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:51 AM

It seems that Bin Laden died using a woman as a human shield. You'd think he might have been less of a coward knowing that Paradise was just moments away, wouldn't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:33 AM

I only wish Al Qaeda was the disease. They are but a symptom.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:23 AM

Backwoodsman, they were probably going to die anyway. That's the sad truth of an organization like Al Qaeda.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:05 AM

The sad thing is that more innocent people are going to die now, in the reprisal attacks that will follow as surely as night follows day. Maybe not on the scale of 9/11, but remember Madrid and London, Reid the shoe-bomber et al.

Bin Laden had become almost an irrelevance, they could quite easily have left him to pass away whatever time he had left in a hole in Pakistan, but his death at US-hands will almost certainly re-awaken and re-juvenate The Beast in al-Quaeda. Those guys just love a martyr to avenge, and Bin Laden has just become the biggest of them all.

Enjoy your 'celebrations' if you must but, mark my words, this will all end in tears.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:22 AM

I can't say I will sleep safer tonight Robyn. We have more important things to worry about than Bin Laden and his ragged group of fundamentalists. I'm more concerned about the thousands of thermonuclear warheads in the armories of the world. That is our real threat. That and the fundamentalists we might elect to office in our own countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:20 AM

It's not been a good year for al-Qaeda. in some ways other events are more important than this--particularly the toppling of Mubarak by a bunch of middle-class Facebook, etc. fans rather than al-Qaeda and other radical groups, which had been trying to remove him for about 30 years.

Al-Qaeda is in grave danger of becoming irrelevant.


But the death of bin Laden certainly will help Obama politically. It will be much harder to argue that he is somehow sympathetic to radical Islam.    So on that score it's great news.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: robomatic
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:08 AM

So was it worth the powder it took to blow him to Hell?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Little Robyn
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:51 AM

He has his just desserts!
Somehow, I feel a little safer tonight.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:33 AM

USA! USA! USA! It's just like when we beat the Soviets at hockey! I grow weary of it. So very very weary. Has anybody got a better plan?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:17 AM

Throngs are gathering outside the White House and ground zero to celebrate. I thought this sort of tribal enthusiasm was on the wane. I was wrong. But it was nice of Obama to wait until after the royal wedding. And that was just a more civilized form of primal group-think by the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:16 AM

Yes! Finally! So many things we do today are impacted by the planning and plotting of that one man. It's time his evil was brought to an end.

Everyone of a certain age will no doubt remember where they were when they heard of the planes hitting the twin towers, just as those of us old enough remember where we were when Kennedy was shot, or the Challenger exploded.

It also seems to be such an incredible weekend of opposites - a Royal Wedding and the death of a Monster. I dubbed it "beauty and the beast" in my twitter feed.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:09 AM

Obama pre-empting Trump? I'm starting to see the 2012 election as a "pro wrestling" style scripted battle cooked up between those two. Will they hit each other with fake metal chairs during the "debates"? It is not as if the GOP had Pawlenty of strong candidates.

Navy Seals on the ground in Pakistan, Osama shot in the head, body recovered! I wonder who has the movie rights?

Vin Diesel and The Rock in Osama Vs Obama! Coming to Imax and Real 3d!


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:04 AM

This to me is very good news. I imagine it will disrupt the organization of terror for some time. It won't stop Al Quieda and it will probably have some retaliation. But this will disrupt things for a while.

If ever there was a man who deserved this type of justice it was Bin Laden. The world didn't need him and it won't miss him

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 May 11 - 11:52 PM

Jesse Ventura said that a week ago, oddly enough. Also, the speech by the President, was the most presidential that I've seen him, ever....even if he was using a teleprompter, and the speech was written a week ago. I hope, though guardedly, that this may begin a easing of tensions, rather than a 'new martyr' to lift up.
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 01 May 11 - 11:47 PM

He is now cavorting in paradise with 72 virgins -- some guys have all the luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: J-boy
Date: 01 May 11 - 11:46 PM

Guess who just guaranteed himself a second term?


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Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 11 - 11:46 PM

Yup, he said Bin Laden's dead, killed in an attack on a compound in Pakistan by US forces.

I have no feelings now one way or the other, but that might change.


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