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Knockholt 2011

Girl Friday 07 Jul 11 - 06:05 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 05:52 PM
Richard Bridge 01 Jul 11 - 05:21 PM
melodeonboy 01 Jul 11 - 05:05 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 04:10 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 04:07 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 01 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM
Richard Bridge 01 Jul 11 - 02:43 PM
Girl Friday 01 Jul 11 - 08:44 AM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 04:48 AM
melodeonboy 01 Jul 11 - 04:44 AM
Richard Bridge 01 Jul 11 - 04:27 AM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 30 Jun 11 - 08:32 PM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 30 Jun 11 - 03:53 PM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 12:46 PM
Girl Friday 30 Jun 11 - 11:03 AM
Girl Friday 30 Jun 11 - 10:51 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,woodsie 30 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 08:06 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 30 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 29 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM
VirginiaTam 29 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 11 - 03:08 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 29 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM
Essex Girl 28 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM
GUEST,guest rachel 28 Jun 11 - 08:22 AM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 07:28 AM
melodeonboy 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 AM
Girl Friday 28 Jun 11 - 06:42 AM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 27 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM
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Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,sal / guest of knockholt 27 Jun 11 - 06:18 AM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM
Mick Woods 27 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM
Richard Bridge 26 Jun 11 - 02:09 PM
GUEST,Woodsie 26 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:05 PM

Very good Pierre.... you are truly , one of "the Great Romantics"


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:52 PM

In days of old,
when knights were bold ?
An Toilets were not invented.

They dug a hole ,Beside the road and shat their quite contented?
They wiped there Arse upon the Grass,
Once again they adorned there armor ,
All that me Lord for a simple shit?

Good God man ' Whata Palaver


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:21 PM

What, not pussy?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:05 PM

What if the whiskers in the sink had come from a stray cat?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM

Thats Luxury believe me?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:10 PM

Re above.
Only one loo useable at Piggies come sunday


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:07 PM

How about Pierre Le Rigmarole,
in regards to folk keep harping on about bogs? I use a Philips
electric saver which I fully charge b4 I attend and it lasts the whole 4 days? Hairs in the sink think your self lucky you should see what I have seen in a Portaloo sink. Your eyes would clearly pop out your back side? The toilets at Piggies this year were very good. with only 1 being useable? Knockholt bogs were ok too apart from not arriving on the wednesday and had to crap in flint piy and then bury it? Palaver


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM

""Pete - I have a plan - become Pierre le chateau and let out spare rooms...""

Alternatively he could become Pierre le Crapeau, and sleep for free in the nearest pond, stream or ditch.



Don T.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 02:43 PM

But what if it had been say a person of gender shaving her - legs?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:44 AM

Richard's 60th was I believe the one attended by Norcsalordie, it being Martin's birthday too. Think we only came up for the one evening then... probably due to the wevva. One of the bogs had worse than stale... fetid water as reported by Paul, and confirmed by me. That's part of why the supplier was changed. Is there still trouble in that direction?
I can assure you, that on the occasion I was referring to in my previous post... there were whiskers in the sink, and the water had run out by the weekend.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:48 AM

But as Richard says = it's a lottery whatever date is chosen - but on average the June weather has been good.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:44 AM

Ah! If it's a washout, then those that want to shave can shave in the rain and thereby avoid infection!

Simples! :)


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:27 AM

Most blokes don't shave at Knockers - or if they do use battery electric shavers, so although no doubt if the phenomenon has been observed it is real I don't see it as being likely to be a major contributor to water use. But maybe if the water in the basins in the grottibottis is that bad we should run the hose through them on arrival.

September 2008 - the weekend of my 60th birthday - was unremittingly dire, wevvawise.

This June was pretty iffy until Saturday.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM

I have never known anybody to shave in the portaloo. The water is usually pretty dodgey and there would be a risk of infection. I always wash my hands in my own water bowl. As far as the weather goes, in the last 12 years there has only been one washout in the June event - there have certainly been scorchers in june and washouts tend to occur more often in the September camp.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM

As Peter said it has to be as it always has!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:32 PM

A simple answer is wonderful, Lets keep it has it is ,Only suggesting?
regards Pierre.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM

I can't really see celebrating the Summer solstice a fortnight later, somehow. And I think the weather in England is a lottery anyway.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:53 PM

I have never heard such a fiasco about toilets??
How many people poo and pee at the same time?
I have never waited at a loo at knockholt even back in the days when I first went when the event on a friday and sat evening was busier then it is these days? two Loos in September would be ample? forest gods we are a foilk gathering not a herd of Braciasaurus?

also I hate to change thing but weather wise?
considering the way the weather has been in June for the last two years it may be worth while considering a movement of the event too a fortnight later in June when it appears the weather is glorious? or if thats too much maybe the wed immediately after the longest day rather then before? The weather is changing maybe we should change the event dates> Has we are not apart of folkmob anymore I can foresee this being a bonus weather wise?

Before anyone leaps down my throat in regards to changing things sometimes one has too consider do you want nice weather or a wash out? Remember folk are put off by weather has was clearly apparent this June?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:46 PM

Shave? What's that?

In theory paper-lining ought not to be necessary if you follow the instructions and flush before as well as after.

Bog-rolls are in the budget.

The consensus on day-trippers is that it is indeed too much hassle to try to ticket them but that an honesty bucket should go round in the hope that conscience strikes.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:03 AM

How on earth, and who can police day visitors in order to charge them ?

Everyone camps too far away from the gate. However many advance tickets are sold, there are always the last minute people who turn up.

As for cutting the number of bogs.... it was me who suggested we need 4 in the summer... three is the absolute minimum. We should not have to be cleaning them all the time if people were more considerate. V.T. has a good point about paper usage. On past camps I've noticed that the washing (hands) water has often run out because people wash and brush up, and blokes shave in them. What's wrong with a washing up bowl in front of your uinit chaps? It's all cold anyway, but you could boil a kettle for washing.

Always bring spare loo rolls too, then there'd be enough to go round.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 10:51 AM

Not Daly's, but club law from Amazon

Club Law


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 10:38 AM

Have you still got it?

And was there not a hiatus at the time of the move from the barn, so that arguably the old Folkmob ceased to exist and a new one came into being?

I wonder where I can get a copy of Daly's club law!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM

The folkmob constitution was written by myself back in 2002 and presented to the then committee for amendmenrs/alteration - none were made. This was a reaction to pressure from thr council, who had written to the management of the Tudor Barn stating in effect that if we were running as a private club to be exempt fron the then "Two In A Bar" rule - we needed a constitution. None of the committee ever made ANY amendments - these were usually made by myself to reflect changes such as the move to the rugby club etc. I left the meeting a couple of years ago because I considered it to be unconstitutional - no votes taken just a free for all anybody could be on the committee even a bloke that only came to the club a few times and couldn't be bothered to come to the meeting was put on the committe!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:06 AM

It's all a bit ad hoc at the moment, but there is an ad hoc committee and I suppose Sue is ad hoc chair. Elections are something to think about, but I'm not immediately clear how to organise them if wanted.

Personally (this is not a committee opinion) I'd be tempted to suggest, if there was to be a voting system, a weighted voting system with voter registration slips posted out after each Knockholt to paying attendees on the basis of their payments - valid I imagine for a year so that people who went to both events in the year would have more votes than those who went to one. BUT that would introduce considerable administration work and postage cost. AND...

I also suppose that a constitution would be needed (formally to create the committee) and then an elected committee, which would then adopt or amend the constitution, and there's need to be rights to call committee or general meetings.

It's all getting to sound a bit like hard work.

Maybe since Mick and Sue have the in with the farmer it is more sense to stay a benevolent dictatorship...



I haven't seen the FM constitution recently although I vaguely remember it used to be on the or an old website. Does it call for Knockholt? It would be an interesting issue as I don't suppose there is a mechanism set out to change the constitution...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM

That's exactly my point Peter. I paid my subs for years at FM as I said earlier - If not funding Knockholt - as set out in the constitution - where is the money going? If it is to fund guests that cannot draw enough supporters to cover their fee then the argument that it's not fair to subsidise a bit of firewoods and 3 or 4 potrtaloos for the campers doesn't hold water. Yes I would pay £50+ for the few days at KH. But in principle To be expected to pay up to £130 a year to subsidise minority appeal guests, Bring your own food to Xmas party and pay for Knockholt is too much to askof loyal folkmob attendees (sadly no me these days) Why not call the new set-up The Knockholt Club with Mick F as honarary chairman and have an elected committee of 4 or 5 people who must have something to contribute.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM

back in June.Re toilets due to cock up? not folkmobs fault.

I had to crap in flint pit on wednesday not sommit i like ? 3 bogs would do and no skip?
take rubbish home and burn planet friendly stuff?

if folk arrive for one night charge em a fiver a head and if they dont like it send em packing? when I was a kid I was told to chuck a tanner on a farmers land to be on it for passage.
then you must move on? £5 .00 seems great for noon campers.

day/night visitors welcome but must pay?

I have been paying subs for years down folk mob too keep this thing alive because it wonderful?
regards Pierre Le Chapeau>


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM

I know I am not a member of Folkmob, but I would like to be a card carrying member of the Flockmob at Knockholt.

1. TheSilentOne and I think the proposed charge is very reasonable.

2. Two portaloos is two too few. I had to do some cleaning in 2 of them several times to get them useable this last camp.
Tip for number 2 users, lay some loo roll down in the bowl before you go and then all slips down quite easily when you flush.

3. Fundraiser - I am all for raising some fun(ds).

4. I will pm Sue on FB re guest Sal's inquiry. BTW the guests mentioned were our guests at Piggies.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:08 PM

Good question. I had assumed so. It is amortised so FM have no marginal cost, and Sue has budgeted for it to be fetched and carried.

I await more boginformation.

I must get on with the trailer repairs: I have wasted a fair bit of time today repairing PA gear.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM

LETS FUND IT OURSELVES IT MAY START SLOW BUT I BELEIVE IT WILL CATCH ON RE STARTING SLOW lets have 2 bogs. will folkmob let us have the Marquee that is my main concern?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM

Presumably (and I think I am a Folkmob member from decades back) the committe could be recalled by a vote of no confidence at an EGM - but it may depend on the constitution. I can see me needing to hunt for a copy of Daly's "Club Law".

Sue seemed fine if a bit hobbled at Knockholt.

I hate the expression "going forward" but I am sure (which means "I don't know") that the costings are open (I don't like the word "transparent" in this context either).

If I go for say 3 nights, it will cost me £30. Bargain of the century. I'd have gone to double that. And if I get my trailer rebuild so the skip cost vanishes, and if we get more people than the historically low June turnout, the cost per head/unit per night WILL drop. No-one wanted to land anyone with having to fund a shortfall in revenue, and I'm sure (and this time I mean I DO know) that that is right.

Play the game chaps.

But yes, I'm up for a fundraiser. Have PA rig too if FM are not going to lend theirs.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM

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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Essex Girl
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM

The folkmob committee have always discussed things fully and every member of Folkmob has a chance to put up for election. Mick, I seem to remember that although you were at last years AGM, you did not wish to be on he committee. Unfortunately owing to Sue's incapacity we have suspended the committee for the time being.
I agree that the sums for Knockholt going forward might seem a bit steep,compared to what we have been paying but if we want it to continue we have to fund it ourselves. I suggest holding a fund raiser somewhere. Any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,guest rachel
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:22 AM

no vacancies!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:28 AM

Bids accepted for 8-man Lillywhite Frowde scout tent - in need of some TLC...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 AM

I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Where we can both experiment, ment, ment, ment, ment
Yeah, yeah, it's so convinent, ent, ent, ent
Let's take a taxi to my tent

Oh yeah, my love is so insatiable
In a stoic sort of way
But my baby is as beautiful
As a tourniquée

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Whoa, whoa, it's only common sense, sense, sense
I know that you won't mind the stench, stench, stench
Of the sacrament

Go on, let this love destroy her
I can't control this paranoia
I have to get a showbiz lawyer
To stop me
Spill, smash, smash, spill, spill, drug, wipe, wipe, trap, scream, tear, spit, shout
TENT! TENT!

You'll be laughing like a lunatic
The judge got away
If only I could win this
At an auto café

I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Find out where the weasels went, went, went, went, went
We'll fill his hospice with cement, ment, ment, ment
And dance the tango in my tent!

(Bonzo Dog Band)


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:42 AM

Seems tent sharing could be a viable option . You would have to know, and trust your tentmate implicitely, and not be worried by snoring / trips to the loo, etc. Several trips a night seemed one good reason for getting a caravan, warmth was another one.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM

Pete - I have a plan - become Pierre le chateau and let out spare rooms...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM

Skip - - there may be a plan - involving my trailer although it will mean more circular tours for me and Volvos - but I enjoy driving my Volvos anyway.

If you were there the night of the M - - - C - - - - (fill in the blanks) dysentry attack you will realise why economising on the bogs is not a good plan. September only gets 3 anyway.

If we show a surplus in September then next year will be cheaper: there is no plan to make a profit, but it would be nice to have a cash cushion so that if there is an event with low turnout or an unexpected expense the committee do not have to put their hands in their own pockets.

The calculations have been done on the basis of the low turnout this summer, so if numbers do rise costs will be able to go down.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM

sorry read past Move it ahead?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

folkmob member who dont attend folkmob are asking why there subs and raffle money should be used to sponsor knockholt?"Fair enough. they would rather spend there money on guest performances>Fair enough?Thats why knockholts gone away from folkmob its what the majority of the members want because there not keen on camping and if they were once they aint now??

so be it fund it ourselves ?What is the issue?? 'What a Palaver' 1. iSSUE move it ahead to after i CAN SEE IS THAT SOME MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT ?
4 TOILETS why. make do with two? sod skip? regards Pierre?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM

I have advised VT accordingly


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,sal / guest of knockholt
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:18 AM

hello peeps, how do I contact the sue & mick forde? we had some nice polite guests at pigs ear this year and I would like to request an invitation for them to join us at this autumn's knockholt if possible. i've explained that it's a private party and the contribution (current charge as listed here) is just to help keep it running. if anyone has a contact addy for me, maybe you could give it to tam to pass on? as a guest who really appreciates this event, i understand the need for increased charges but if it's gonna be a tenner a night for me next year, i'm not kipping in a tiddly little hiking tent again while everyone else is living in luxury in their vans, it's big comfy tent time!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM

Cheers mate. Do you keep abreast of the folkmob facebook page?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM

I will dig it out and email you. I won't name people here. Let's just say that "voting" for anything is not on their agenda - one of the reasons I walked out of the AGM a couple of years ago!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:09 PM

Useful point.

Have you still got the list and who are the junta and how do I contact them?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM

Fair point Richard. However the old membership list was dissolved by the new regime. I did at one time maintain a membership list on an excel spreadsheet (you were on that) I offered it to the junta and was told "no thanks we are compiling our own list" I still attend folkmob now and then and perform regularly with the founder (the great DK) but will not waste the time, money and effort that I put in during the golden years at The Tudor Barn.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM

If the problem is the new Folkmob committee, Woodsie, the remedy is in the members' hands.

Incidentally I did join once. Am I still ipso fact a member? If I am you might well have my vote if there were relevant pro-Knockholt votes.

But if Folkmob are not prepared to subsidise Knockholt (and at present it seems they are not) then Knockholt must sink or swim for itself. And it is still the highlight of my year.

But I just don't see the point of spending huge amounts in the pub - you can do that any time but you can only sit round the campfire and sing at Knockholt. If you are going to spend £50 on two consecutive days (so making £100) in the pub it seems odd to carp at camping at £10 per night - including loos cold water and a lovely fire.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 09:06 AM

The Tally Ho pub is one of the most enjoyable experiences at Knockholt and any amount that I choose to spend there is value for money and nothing to do with paying £40 to sleep in a field with minimum/zero facilities that is not value for money. A skip? never needed it in the previouse 12 years that I went. Yes and I was usually one of the two or three there on the last Sunday helping Mick Forde with clearing the final ashes. I don't wish to subsidise iresponsible people who can't be bothered to clear their own shit when leaving the field.

By the way, the cost of camping was £3 rising to £4 around 2001 not always £4 as it says above/below. When I was a regular attendee/committe member of folkmob I paid £2 / £1 weekly fee and bought at least 1 raffle ticket ans as myself and Dave Kenningham went EVERY week that came to at least £130 a year. The wood and portaloos were paid for from this money as were the upkeep of the PA system and underwriting of guest nights with lower than expected turnout. There was always still a healthy balnce at the end of the year. This whole putting the price up thing has come about in recent years due to new people appointing themselves to the Folkmob committe (no vote taken for years now) Some of these people newcomers despise subsidising "outsiders" who don't contribue during the year! I will not name them but they have actually told me this. I myself have always looked upon most of the non-folkmob regulars as "invited guests" and it's great to bring more diversity to the event - apart from a few occasions when we have had certain undesirables.

I is sad to see this event, which used to be the highlight of my year - seperate itself from the folkmob.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:16 PM

It seems very reasonable to me. There are four potential answers to you Woodsie if it really is a problem. I say four but there may be more.

1. Find £10 per night rather than (for example and not by way of limitation) spending £50 in the Tally Ho.

2. Share with another person in your unit to reduce the cost to £7.50 per night (less than the cost of three pints).

3. Persuade the Folkmob committee to reinstate the or a subsidy

4. Hope that cost reduction is possible - one possibility is to replace the skip with me making a tip run with my trailer. But the wood is already a real bargain, and cost cutting on the grottibottis is likely to be most unattractive - I remember your views the year that they were - er - badly polluted by an overindulger.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM

My problem would be £10 a night!


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