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Knockholt 2011
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:56 PM Refresh for parallelism
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:55 PM What's your problem Woodsie? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:33 AM Sue is having th following put on the Folkmob website; ""KNOCKERS" COMES OF AGE The Knockholt camps have been running now for 18 years. We began back in 1993 and I think there were about 11 of us that first time as well as an assortment of our various children. We used an old ridge tent as our kitchen and shelter (some of us are posing in front of it in the photo I took with Dave's camera) and our WC was a bucket in a toilet tent. We'd graduated to a porta potti by the second year but emptying it down a drain at the bottom of the field was still a very nasty job. As the Folk Club grew in numbers there were more members wanting to sample the Knockholt experience so we decided to hire a couple of toilets financed by the club funds, but in the early years we foraged for our wood and rubbish clearance wasn't an issue, so that was our only outlay apart from the farmer's fee (which has never increased). Over the years Knockholt became increasingly popular and we welcomed into our midst extended families, neighbours and other friends from the folk world, all of whom added a little something to the Knockholt magic but which also meant it became necessary to hire 4 toilets for the June camp and 3 for September as well as buying in wood and hiring a skip for the rubbish. We bought a new marquee which was cheaper than hiring one for two camps – but it needed some maintenance. Gradually the cost of running the camps increased until last year we tipped the scales at over a thousand pounds (which did include some one-off items like a new reliable hose) – still financed by the Folk club funds. The money collected from campers (£4 per unit per night) all went to the farmer for the use of his field. Like all good things the "Knockers Fest" is still evolving but in recent years the balance has gradually shifted - where once Folkmob regulars made up the majority of the Knockholt stalwarts that is no longer the case so it now seems the time is right for Knockholt to fly the Folkmob nest and become financially independent of the club. To ensure that the camps continue to thrive they need to be financed by those of us who attend and derive so much pleasure from the events. After an impromptu meeting in the marquee last weekend, where everyone present was very supportive and helpful in formulating the plans for the new self financing system, it was decided that this September's camp will still go ahead. The autumn camp will be a bit of a test run to see if our calculations are correct in predicting that we can reliably cover the costs. Expenditures are largely fixed, but income depends entirely on how many come. If it is too tight then charges will have to go up in future, but if there is a significant surplus then charges may if it is prudent go down. Details and examples follow. A Knockholt committee was formed consisting of – Sue and Mick Forde Pat and Debbie Ormsby Richard Bridge Linda Smith Alan Austen Dave Kenningham Jim Radford SEPTEMBER KNOCKHOLT Wednesday 7th to Sunday 11th £5.00 PER PERSON PER NIGHT PLUS £5.00 PER UNIT PER NIGHT FOR EXAMPLE One person camping 1 night - £10 Two people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £15.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit) Three people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £20.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit) And so on One person camping 2 nights - £20 Two people sharing a unit camping 2 nights - £30......(£10 per person plus £10 for unit) And so on One person camping 3 nights - £30 Two people sharing a unit camping 3 nights - £45......(£15 per person plus £15 for unit) And so on" |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Happy Hare Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:38 AM Quite a few familiar faces missing this time, and we were in danger of growing webbed feet. However thanks to Richard Bridges fine efforts, trees were transformed into logs, so we were able to get round the fire during dryish spells. Music was good and varied, as was the saturday meal,so we enjoyed. However I would like to remind all the abscent Folk Mobbers of Ethel Mermans words 'If you dont use it you lose it'. So come and enjoy thr next Knockers. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM We had a huge event years ago at Chislehurst caves? all that Palaver that goes with a huge event? any way the reception Marquee came without fixings? / very + event organizers) += CROSS) i simply suggested Gaffa tape? Whacko I was hero /soon forgotten? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM Yes i agree? The existing bolts sit next to useless? rounded off to buggery. I know a quicker way which I suggested ' GAFFA TAPE '? not joking done it B4? RE frame tent? regards Pierre Le Chapeau. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 22 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM Ken always does film a lot, he enjoys the singing and playing. Indeed the Saturday night was a break for us all weather wise ? I think in regards to the Marquee which went up very quickly and like wise on the Sunday came down very quickly was a gathering point for a lot of people. in inclement climate? its a Bloody Palaver putting the Marquee up and I agree a modern set of electrical tools would make a difference with the erection? but would electrical tools fit between the poles /frame work and the nuts and bolts?? its would make the job much quicker without fiddling about with spanners? but we tried a metric socket set one year and the thing would touch the nuts ? Im pleased there were no logs to man handle on the Sunday the few that remained I imagine were taken home which saves some folk a lot of heavy lifting? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM Oh I think that fire was HOT. There was a period when many new logs were added and they were shading people from the heat, but the flames were licking up about 12 feet high - I have photo on phone to prove it. I'm sure that Ken has many pix too - he seemed to be filming a lot. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:31 PM It was a superb knockholt ,the fire stayed alight through out each down pour. Those Logs were huge so thanks to Richard for cutting them down to size in what was on occasions in pouring rain and on 2 accessions a right down pour whereby he had to seek shelter and eat a welcomed Sausage and Rocket sandwich and halt cutting temporarily for safety reasons ? The feast was great and all the food tasted lovely well done. The field posed no problem in regards to getting on and off despite the weather. People moaned the fire was not hot, remember folks we are arguable camped on the highest point in all Kent so the heat from the fire does not come out it goes straight up into a cold sky? You wont benefit from the knockholt fire at all wear good warm clothes and a layer of thermals ? only on a windless warm night will you warm from the fire. Fact. We had Elm this year which burns lovely and hot but not on a barren summit on a clear windy nigh? Look forward to all this again in September. Regards to all Pierre Le Chapeau. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:09 AM Thanks Tam and Richard for the reports. The turnout was excellent, given the weather conditions. Did Pierre do his lime chicken? That was gorgeous, and that comes from someone who doesn't go a bundle on chook. Generally, it's tasteless, and dry, but when cooked with herbs, and spices, it can be nice. Glad that the Autumn Camp is back on again. Hope to see some of you at Crayside on Saturday. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:23 PM Wasn't the fire glorious? I'm trying to work out roughly how many people were there (and how many camping units) each night. Weds, I was in and out with the chainsaw and did not stop but I think it was 4 units and 10 people. Thurs I was not there but am guesstimating 6 units and 15 people. Fri - I was physically present but a little unaware(!) but I think 10 or 11 units and maybe 24 people Sat - definitely 15 units and I think I counted 42 round the campfire but maybe not all stopped to camp. So in total roughly 35 unit/nights and 90 people/nights. Given the weather predictions we had been facing I can't imagine it ever being fewer. Assuming all goes well with the new committee and the plans for Equinox - and the new "self-financing" basis - it still looks like its going to be a great cheap DIY weekend. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM Had a lovely time despite the van springing a leak and having the headache from hell most of Friday. Feast was well attended. Pierre le Chappeau's chicken was melt in the mouth good. Field did not stay soggy, but the clear nights Thursday and Saturday meant it was cold cold at night. Really love the intimacy and long time stories from Knockholt veterans, though some were very much missed. You know who you are. Getting the van out this morning was a dawdle. Sorry I couldn't stay to help with clearing the field this morning, 2 of our party of 3 were not feeling very well. I can't speak for Crowsister but I am still feeling quite rough. Looking forward to Autumn Gold and happy to hear it is back on. Hopefully it won't take us 4 hours to get from mid Essex to campsite on Friday evening. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM There were some very sharp showers, but Saturday night made up for it all! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 19 Jun 11 - 08:23 AM Jolly good idea. Did you have the thunderstorm yesterday ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST, Bridge Date: 18 Jun 11 - 08:26 PM The Volvo I am using this time has a locking diff |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:01 PM It's looking fairly like they might.... hope they don't. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:41 AM I wish I could be there as well - hope ye don't get bogged in! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: billybob Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:22 AM Wish I could be there! Have fun xx Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 18 Jun 11 - 06:37 AM Appalling: causing extreme dismay, horror, or revulsion There are some bad singers (me for one) but ye don't have to be placido Domingo to have fun at folkmob. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,bRIDGE Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:16 AM ACTUALLY TWERP GUEST THERE ARE A COUPLE HERE WHO REALLY ARE GOOD |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 17 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM Thinking of you all. Rain seems constant, so despite being a little fed up with being indoors, we're happy. Been cold today. Despite thermometer reading 70... it felt like winter. How many of you are up there? Was the feast well attended ? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST, Richard Bridge in a field on the netbook (j Date: 17 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM Soggy! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 17 Jun 11 - 09:44 AM Kenningham's asked for a floor spot. Don't think he went to Knockers |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Woodsie Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:10 PM See y'at The & Stars - Knockholt without Kenningham - I don't kmow ... |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:58 AM aarrrgghhhh... lost map to knockholt... will just look for Tally Ho pub, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 16 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM Well, I'm still coughing, and spluttering, with headache. Hope to be feeling better for Seven Stars on Saturday. Weather's a bit changeable today innit? Just seen this on Yahoo - one sheep between three men Sheep Rescue |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:15 AM I was thinking same re Rachel's age. More like 36. We have had a change of plan. Crowsister and I will be on campground tonight. Problem is, no time to shop or prep for group meal tonight. So I'll boil up some hotdogs for thesilentone after he sets up van. He has to be back home tonight for work tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Jun 11 - 04:40 AM Gym actually makes you feel good - the whatever it is chemicals the body produces when working really intensely leave you feeling quite "pumped up" for a few hours. It was a good feeling. It will also strengthen the relevant muscles in the back and that may well be important for you. As well as prowling around with the dogs for about half an hour a day (back then) on weekdays and for about an hour a time at weekends with an ordnance survey map, every weekday I used to walk briskly for half an hour each way from the bus-stop or train stop in London to the office. I stayed ten stone for several years that way, between about 1988 and 1992/3 (ie age of 40 to 45). The working lunches at Tarlo Lyons with sandwiches with fattening fillings and my hatred of wasted food were my undoing! Downhill all the way after that. I have no idea what a "visualisation technique" is. By the way do set a cookie on your computer or remember to sign in by name every time or the mods will get grumpy! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:06 AM Ok, walking it is then. Got a trip planned in the Yorkshire Dales (Pennine Way) in August. Think I'd get bored in the gym anyway. As....for me being 46, working in a women's refuge with a load of hypervigilent, and unregulated children; where everyone looks haggard and stressed,I have the privilege of leaving that place every evening, putting my feet up in the bath and having a large glass of wine and some visualisation techniques. Works wonders. The elixir of youth. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 11 - 08:09 PM You can't possibly be 46! Not being funny (I mean look at me) but don't go to a poncy gym. Go to the local place where the freaks go. They are serious. And they will just love to help an innocent female! Cycling is hell on back (think of posture). I suggest a different sustainable exercise - I (then) did walking and jogging and got into exploring rights of way (hard for you Londoners). |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM Mark and Frank may come up on Saturday afternoon. Hope you won't all be at the pub. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:22 PM Thanks, Richard. I needed the incentive to shed a few stone. Pete's been trying to help me, bless him. It's not a cosmetic thing, although I'd love to be a size 12 (i.e. pre-children!), but at my age..the grand old age of 46, it's time i took care of myself for my health's sake. So it's joining David Llyod gym and taking up cycling again. Hope you're feeling better with those kidney stones and look forward to seeing you soonxx |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM Ooh, forecast on the move - there might be some dry tomorrow PM so I might be back for more cutting, and there might be some dry on Freddy before 4 pm. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 11 - 04:24 PM Obviously worked. I was OK enough to go to the field and cut up enough wood that I think it will last until the next forecast dry spell on Saturday afternoon! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 15 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM to help Richard feel better Super Sheep |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 11 - 12:38 PM Well done Rachel. If it's muscle spasm and there is no current disc damage (check with Dr and physio first), try what saved me back in the late 80s - strenuous loss of weight (I lost about 4 stone on allegedly dangerous "micro-diets") and at the same time was clunking metal about in a gym - being careful however with situps which are hell on backs. I even got quite pleased with my body shape back then! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST Date: 15 Jun 11 - 12:10 PM Message from Pete....the fire's alight!!!!! As for me, I've been hallucinating on Diazepan and Tramadol, not to mention the morphine which is still in my system. Apparently, according to my children, I've been ranting about multiplying spiders and killer trees. Who needs magic mushrooms!!! Went to osteopath this morning and things are definately easier in my lower back. Hope to get down there sometime in the next day or 2. It's not my disc,it's muscle spasm so no serious harm donexx |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 11 - 11:58 AM I am back in trouble with my kidney stone again - I know now that I only have to wait for the pain to stop so I can do that, but I was going to make an interim trip to Knockers to cut the wood with my chainsaw and I probably won't be able to get up there with the vardo until Friday. Unless the pain goes off. Is there anyone personally known to me and safe with a chainsaw who could borrow mine and make the trip to do that, or is this year's wood small enough that it can wait? Actually, the pain may be going off a bit now, but better to have a plan B just in case... - so contact me first before just rolling up. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST,Essex Girl Date: 15 Jun 11 - 10:49 AM Latest forecast states "heavy rain on Friday daytime,showers Thursday PM and scattered showers on Saturday but clear on all nights"! Of course knowing our weather forecasters that could change daily. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 15 Jun 11 - 08:51 AM Us cats are very sensitive... especially the small domesticated moggies. The two next door sit and wait for someone to come home. If I am out, they sit outside my front door. I went out to the shops, thinking it will rain soon, but none here thus far. Not feeling well enough to come to Knockholt though. Pete, take great care with that lady of yours please. Don't let her sit / lie/ stand for any length of time. Have a good Flock Fest ! |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:26 AM contrary to what weather check says the morning here aint too bad? watered veg and herb patch. herbs this year on site for culinary uses are/ Tarragon, Sage. Chives. Mint. coriander. picked this very morn from herb garden. if you want any please ask I have lots and they will be on strings hanging off tree>/ I am also bringing BBQ and coals? CATS BUGGERED OFF HE H=GETS UPSET WHEN HE SEES CAMPING GEAR IN PASSAGEWAY. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Jun 11 - 11:44 PM Today (Weds) might be tolerable. Saturday might also, but Fri night is looking biblical. Maybe I ought to try to get up this evening with chainsaw. Going back to bed now. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 14 Jun 11 - 07:08 PM Just done weather check??? 'FOREST GODS IT DONT LOOK GOOD"? could change by tomorrow? we will see? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 14 Jun 11 - 07:02 PM on field wed morn early .I ,ll get kindling and get fire going? should be able to use small logs 1st richard? if there are any? we pay for delivery not the logs so thats why they come huge its cheeper but a damn , Palaver? Im Baking bread in the morning for the feast thursday night. may throw a couple of biscuit tin chickens on BBQ during early thursday. Meeting partner at midday thursday? hopefully her back will be ok, she is on pain killers and feels better but very sore? taking small tent weather wise the big chateau is not worth worrying about, in regards to drying out and putting away? lets all have a great knockers looking forward to seeing everyone? bugger the weather wear thermals or raincoats no need to be cold or wet if one dresses properly? hopefully frame for marquee be up wed nigh and the canvas on when more hands hit the field? the Marquee a sodding PALAVER but essential for music and day time jams which will run this year> no pub this year apart from saturday afternoon? and wed afternoon. once I ve pitched? wed simply because there wont be any one there? must try the Larkins ? right Im off to bed gott be up like a baker in the morning to bake bread> already done dry mix, I think I,ll make herbie bread " Sage and garlic? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Girl Friday Date: 14 Jun 11 - 06:51 PM First the discussion on who is to light the fire, when they light it, and what they light it with must be answered. |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Jun 11 - 01:38 PM Will you-all be able to keep the fire going if I don't get my chainsaw there until Friday PM, or do I need to make a special trip Weds or Thurs evening? |
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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011 From: GUEST Date: 14 Jun 11 - 01:15 PM i aim to be there even if pete has to wheel me in on a stretcher.... |
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