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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 03:10 PM

Rex? JAYSUS MURPHY! (Canuck joke.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Beer
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 11:32 PM

REX for PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 05:26 PM

Jean may have been on the wrong tee once or twice (Canuck joke) but the man NEVER screwed over Canucks like You know Who and what's been happeneing with the other guy. I haven't heard of Jean taking cash in an envelope in a hotel room and then saying... ahhh, geee, duhhh, I forgot. That said, he'll never get fingered. But, I'd give him the finger if I ever got within his line of sight.

I am ashamed to be of Irish descent when I think of that trash. Makes my blood boil.

Trudeau, the new one. We need him, yesterday. And LeBlanc, the new one, for DPM or PM. I'd like to see Dominic as PM but that ain't gonna happen... for a while anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 03:20 PM

Cretien the only bright spot since Trudeau.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Charmion
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 06:27 AM

Chretien? Integrity? In the same sentence? What are you smoking, friend 999?

Brazen pragmatism, sure. Integrity, not so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Beer
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 10:59 PM

I was dozing on my lazy boy when I heard that distinctive voice of Jean come on. I put my glasses on and watched the entire interview. Here! Here! Jean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 10:15 PM

I like Chretien. Voted for him twice--in the same election!

There was no BS when he spoke. Good man who called a spade a shovel. Would we had someone of his integrity to lead this country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 09:15 PM

Good ol' Johnny Chretien:

"I had more discussions about the possibility of going to war with Tony Blair than with George Bush. I always had a suspicion that Tony said to George, 'I will take care of Jean,'" Chretien said in an interview leading up to the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S.

Chretien said he was friendlier with Blair than with Bush, who was then the U.S. president. He said Blair tried to convince him in a conversation about Saddam being a terrible dictator.

"I said, of course, Tony, he's a terrible dictator. But if we're in the business of replacing all the dictators we don't like, who's next?" Chretien recalls, saying he pointed to dictators like Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe within the Commonwealth.

"Why don't we solve the problem in the family first?"

Blair, he says, argued Saddam and Mugabe were different cases.

"I said of course, Mugabe has no oil ... and he didn't like it."

From an interview with Evan Solomon on CBC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 03:03 PM

I wonder if Lyin Brian will testify.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 07:49 PM

JtS.... missed that about the shampoo... good one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 07:47 PM

Corruption? In the Canuck government? How could that be? I thought airlines and golf courses and hotels were a thing of the past?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 05:02 PM

I'm not sure that he should travel commercially.

I think that Harper is so shallow he could be drowned in less that 4 ounces of shampoo.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 04:37 PM

Influence on the RCMP? Whaaa? How could that be? You think maybe some German guy was skulking around in hotel rooms with briefcases full of cash or some such other utter nonsense... perhaps bundles of cash in golf carts in La Belle P? Tsk tsk.

And why can't Harper fly on a commercial airliner? He's toooo important? Like Canuckistan won't be able to function if someone gets past our crack RCMP security stabs him with a dull airplane knife or an Innu carving they bought at the airport duty free shop? I am sure there are lots of other assholes that could smirk at the taxpayers just as well. (Fer yer ferriners... there's a bunch a Canuck inside jokes there but y'all'l just have ta trust me.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 04:13 PM

Interesting that the report was released after the election unlike the RCMP commissioner's report which was released in the middle of the election in 2006 and helped defeat the Libs. Anyone think that the Con's had any influence?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

My comments seem to have been lost in cyberspace. Is the great censor on the job already?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 04:07 PM

Good point Gnu. Harper at least could have gone to a Vancouver Game. But at least a Canadian Bank has the Naming Rights to the rink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 04:04 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 02:23 PM

G8 spending... unreal!

How can Tony not be in comtempt? How can he not go to jail?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 10:51 AM

Hockey Night in Boston

"Just before he became prime minister in 2006, Harper ripped Liberal ministers for traversing the country, looking "out the windows of their $11,000 per hour Challenger jet flights .... They just don't get what real life is like for ordinary Canadians.""


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:40 PM

i gotta say that richatd bridgres lecturing everybody again and again ghets tedious. he never saw aqn excuse he didn't like for the british army killing civilians. so try decendy back home richard.

and q, alberta has given away its oil resource for a pittance, they collect kess than a third of what new foundland gets in royalitias per barrel, because their politics have been bought and sold to anerican oil interests. the same interests that funded the national citizens coalition and the reform party in the organizational period--funding neither have ever opened the books on. this sma eindustry has had 11 billion new subsidies from the harper governmenty--a total give away for his old plas and masters. alberta has actually cost the east its manufacturing sector while not collecting decent royalites. we are near to l.osing money in the oil industry when the give aways and the cost of clean up is factored in--all to help out uncle sams military industrial complex.

read the business book of the year award winning"stupid to the last drop", and when the mackanzie watershed os poluted and notrtern albetta is a toxic waste zone, and southern alberta is a desert they will come to the canadian government ffor help in the clean up. good lucj out there if you are under thirty because you will see it all go to hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:59 PM

Parliamentarians say she was being disrespectful -- yeah right, this from a government with the unique distinction of having been the only government ever cited for contempt of Parliament in the history of the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:51 PM

cheers for Brigette .... she had an opportunity to present her protest and had the guts to do it.

Yes Sandy .... Good for her!!

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:47 PM

Well Brigette DePape seems to have shaken up the establishment. I think it is refreshing that she had the guts to do what she did! A pox on the arseholes who sit in the Senate and feed from the public trough! I share what used to be Harper's disdain for the Senate but now that he has turned coat and is plugging the Upper Chamber with his own puppets it is left to a lowly page to stand in protest. Good for her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:38 PM

Stunned?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 29 May 11 - 05:16 PM

CP....

OTTAWA - One of the ironies of the election that finally delivered Stephen Harper's Conservatives a majority government on May 2 is that it appears to have vanquished the "Harper Government."

The controversial term has almost disappeared from official Government of Canada news releases after suddenly blanketing departmental communications in the months leading up to the fall of the Conservative minority March 25.

Now, internal government documents obtained by The Canadian Press show that civil servants were being ordered by minister's offices to use the term, and that they were "obligated to do so if asked."

"Just curious when we changed from Government of Canada to Harper Government? Is this a new direction?" a regional communications director in Fisheries and Oceans asked her director general in an email on Feb. 16.

"I've been asked by several folks internally and now am getting calls (from) Comms colleagues in other federal departments. ..."

The inquiry came more than two weeks before The Canadian Press publicly exposed the new nomenclature.

Her superior, Susan Garner-Barklay, director general of communications for DFO, responded: "Long story. Will fill you in over the phone," before adding, "This is not a change in practice."

Subsequent handwritten notes, unattributed and undated, state that "Sue has had discussions with PCO," the Privy Council Office that serves the prime minister.

"We will use phrase when asked to by MO (minister's office) — discussed at higher levels in DFO — obligated to do so if asked," says the handwritten note.

Literally hundreds of usages of the term Harper Government in place of Government of Canada cropped up on departmental communications starting late last year.

Top former government officials and researchers in public administration called it an unprecedented, partisan abuse when the story went public.

But the Prime Minister's Office and the PCO maintained that "no directive" went out to civil servants ordering the use of the term and, besides, there was nothing wrong with it anyway.

Dimitri Soudas, Harper's chief spokesman, called it a "longstanding practice" and angrily denounced the story by The Canadian Press as the stuff of "black helicopters and conspiracy theories."

The sudden explosion of the "Harper Government" handle in the late fall of last year was never explained, nor has the PMO given a reason why it has all but vanished since the election.

"Harper government is a commonly used term across departments and government," PMO spokeswoman Sara McIntyre said in an email when asked about the shifting nomenclature.

"It is also frequently used by journalists and the public. There has been no PMO directive on its usage."

But civil servants certainly noticed the sea change.

As far back as last August, an editor at Foreign Affairs was noting an approved press release had been altered by the office of then-trade minister Peter Van Loan to replace Government of Canada with "Harper Government."

"This is a major shift in usage," the editor wrote his superior.

"Using it in unattributed text (where the department itself is 'speaking') is significantly different from using it in a quote, and the department might be seen as partisan."

The response from his superior, copied to several others, was: "I share your concern."

Last Oct. 26, the acting director of the Federal Identity Program also sought advice on the use of the term.

Remi Tremblay emailed his superior at Treasury Board after Industry Canada received a protest letter from a blanked-out individual who demanded corrections as soon as possible.

"It is inappropriate and outrageous to publicize any federal government initiative or announcement, funded by Canadian tax revenue, as an initiative from a particular political party or party leader," said the letter.

The letter, whoever wrote it, was handled like a hot potato by Industry Canada and Treasury Board, with a string of emails on how to respond.

Tremblay noted the usage "may be perceived as partisan by some" but that Harper was "indeed the prime minister of the Government of Canada. So that leaves us in a grey zone between two different facts."

The response from Philip Hurcomb, Treasury Board's assistant secretary of "strategic communications and ministerial affairs," was to inform the letter writer that "the policy is silent on issues such as using the prime minister's name as a descriptor for the government."

It was an oblique response that remained remarkably consistent.

On March 7, 2011, following yet another internal government letter of concern about the "Harper Government" terminology, Susan Gardner-Barclay at Fisheries and Oceans passed along the following written response for the complainant:

"The Privy Council Office and the Secretary of the Treasury Board, who has responsibility for the Government of Canada Communications Policy, have provided direction to departments on this issue," says the response.

"They have indicated that the Government has the latitude to decide how it wishes to refer to itself in communications, and while the use of the official signature and symbol of the government must be consistent with Communications Policy, nothing in the Policy prohibits the use of the term 'Harper Government.'"

So the mystery remains.

The Conservative government "has the latitude to decide how it wishes to refer to itself," but no one will acknowledge providing such direction.

Use of the "Harper Government" ballooned exponentially last November and continued until the Conservative minority fell on March 25.

Since the May 2 election, a search turns up fewer than five distinct uses of "Harper Government" in departmental communications.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 25 May 11 - 09:55 PM

True, Q. My buddies on one reserve close to me, four bands combined, are doing very well due to strong leadership. Another, not very far away, is struggling terribly.

I've seen a number of reserves in Atlantic Canada. Also, a number of Innu communities and a First Nation community in Coastal Labrador. The vitality of such varied SO much it just shocking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 May 11 - 07:56 PM

Both are real problems. Climate change is changing water supply in important areas- Alberta-B.C. losing their glaciers, climate regimen much drier for the past 40 years or so. Rationing before long. Permafrost melting is affecting northern roadways and soon will cause settlement relocation.

The First Nations are strong in some areas, weak in others. Health is poor, some 'nations' (reserves) are not suitable for their populations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: bobad
Date: 25 May 11 - 07:37 PM

'warning government to start counting the costs of climate change and addressing the "quite tragic" living conditions of First Nations."

She's barking at the wrong cats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 25 May 11 - 07:14 PM

Could NOT make a link to this Winnepeg Free Press article...

OTTAWA - Auditor General Sheila Fraser delivered a farewell address Wednesday in typical blunt-spoken fashion — warning government to start counting the costs of climate change and addressing the "quite tragic" living conditions of First Nations.

Fraser's eventful, politically charged, 10-year term as auditor general ends on Monday.

She's legendary for blowing the lid off the sponsorship scandal under the Chretien Liberals, famously stating in 2002 that civil servants "broke just about every rule in the book."

And while the bespectacled, no-nonsense 60-year-old said Wednesday she believes retired auditors general should "sort of fade away," she made sure to leave with a bang.

In a luncheon speech to hundreds of Ottawa power brokers and bureaucrats, Fraser said Canada has to start measuring the massive, long-term, financial hurdles of the future.

"With our aging population, the far-reaching impact of climate change and the need to replace much of our infrastructure, Canadians need to better understand the challenges ahead and how the public purse will be managed," she said.

Many other countries and several provinces, she said, already provide long-term financial projections looking up to 75 years into the future.

"Without them, we cannot begin to understand the scale and complexity of the financial challenges ahead and the implication of policy choices — especially those related to spending, taxation, or debt reduction."

Later, at her final news conference, Fraser connected the dots that a succession of tax-cutting federal governments — most notably the current Harper Conservatives — have been loath to acknowledge.

"It could be an increase in taxes, it could be a reduction in programs," she said of future choices.

"But there's really only two areas you can work on to be able to balance the budget — unless we decide we're going to leave a debt for our children and grandchildren."

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, speaking at a separate event in the capital, called Fraser a "very dedicated, diligent, public-spirited person."

Flaherty said he's met Fraser a number of times "to talk about government issues and she's been very informed, very helpful, always had the best interests of the country in mind."

The Quebec-born accountant is considered one of the most trustworthy and respected public officials — elected or otherwise — in Ottawa. Fraser was the third "most trusted Canadian" in a Readers Digest poll published this month (behind environmentalist David Suzuki and building contractor Mike Holmes).

So to hear her musing aloud about the potential need for future tax increases is a powerful indictment of the current political orthodoxy.

It wasn't her only shot across the bow of the newly elected majority Conservative government.

Fraser was particularly pointed in her speech about two national policy areas: Climate change and First Nations.

"Canada needs a national, long-term, climate-change strategy — one that will allow us to mitigate and adapt to changes, to cover the costs and to engage Canadians in adjusting both their attitudes and their activities," she said.

Fraser also noted that in the last decade her office has produced 31 audit reports on aboriginal issues, yet "too many First Nations people still lack what most other Canadians take for granted."

She called the lack of improvement in living conditions "truly shocking."

"In a wealthy country like Canada, this is simply unacceptable."

Such blunt talk is a rare commodity from appointed office holders in Ottawa. Fraser believes the choice of her permanent successor — who will be appointed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and then vetted by both the House of Commons and the Senate — likely won't come until the fall.

An interim auditor general will be named next week to release reports already prepared, including a controversial audit of government spending at last year's G8 and G20 summits.

"Sheila Fraser has done an enormous service to this country, often times taking positions against a government that is all-too ready to attack anyone who criticizes its policies," said NDP Leader Jack Layton.

Layton said he hopes the process to replace Fraser is "transparent and open" so


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 11 - 09:11 AM

They wouldn't have a chance against Chongo's extraordinary charisma.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 May 11 - 01:29 PM

Perhaps Nelson Eddy or Jeanette MacDonald can be persuaded to run against Chongo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 11 - 10:56 AM

I'll talk to Chongo about that. Perhaps the APP (American Primate Party) could open up a CPP (Canadian Primate Party) wing in Canada and get a chimp or a gorilla elected in Berthierville-Maskinongé.

Chongo says they'd be glad to allow Jean Chretien to cross over from the Liberals and serve as a senior advisor for the CPP, because "he almost looks like an ape from certain angles, he almost sounds like an ape when he talks, and he's got a strong grip".


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Charmion
Date: 11 May 11 - 08:32 AM

Some of the NDP results in Quebec are reminiscent of real old-style Canadian politics -- by which I mean the 19th century, when a candidate could run in several ridings and be elected in all of them. The successful candidate would then accept the most appealing mandate, leaving the other ridings to hold by-elections.

The case of Ruth Ellen Brosseau is getting nasty, and I predict a by-election in Berthierville-Maskinongé if the affair of the allegedly fudged nomination papers is allowed to play out to its logical conclusion. If the Bloc pulls itself together for the occasion, it could thus garner another seat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 10 May 11 - 09:34 PM

Never been to the riding? WTF????


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 10 May 11 - 06:02 PM

How many MPs won by a margin of more than 5,700 votes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 11 - 12:17 AM

What I meant, gnu, was that the Americans usually will vote for someone they see as "manly" and "a regular guy", with emphasis on those rugged, tough, plain-talkin' frontier qualities that they associate with mythic figures like John Wayne, Dan'l Boone, Davy Crockett, "Honest Abe" chopping wood beside his log cabin, etc. They have a deep suspicion of Ivy League types and city-bred intellectuals...people who presumabely are way too smart and subtle to be trusted by "plain folks".

Ronald Reagan played perfectly on those sensibilities, as he appeared to embody that heroic frontier mythos. George Bush did well too by seeming to be the plain-talking "regular guy"...a Texas cowboy, in effect.

John Kerry, on the other hand, was easy to attack as a perceived representative of the Eastern rich elites...the moneyed people...not the trustworthy "plain folks".   

Yes, Obama got elected despite not fitting into the usual pattern of the type of candidate Americans like to elect, but there was a very simple reason for that: it was the preceding 8 years of George Bush!!!!!!!!! The election was a big negative reaction to that 8 years and a fervent desire to utterly reverse it by electing its polar opposite. The utter reversal was (presumably) to elect Obama!

This can happen in any country when one extreme of political style...even a VERY popular one...is given enough rope to hang itself! (meaning: enough time in power) It took 8 wretched years of George Bush in the White House to cause a majority of Americans to reject the "plain folks" cowboy stereotype and opt instead for a sophisticated half-Black city intellectual like Obama. That sort of thing won't happen often in the USA...but it can happen after 8 years of something as lousy as the Bush administration. It's the angry pendulum swing to the other extreme. The same thing happened in Canada after the Trudeau era finally ended and Mulroney won bigtime. Then it happened after 2 terms of Mulroney...the Conservatives were utterly massacred as the public repudiated Mr Mulroney. He'd been given enough rope to hang himself.

Now Obama is being given enough rope (time in office) to hang himself (figuratively, not literally). We shall see if he "succeeds" doing that...or if he doesn't. I make no predictions about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 09 May 11 - 11:04 PM

The RCMP had a dossier on Tommy Douglas a foot thick. It would be indeed interesting to see what the boys in scarlet wrote of the "Greatest Canadian." With Harper in full control the document will not see the light of day. Freedom of information was never a concept that escaped the censors but it will now be dead for certain!
It makes one wonder how far we really are from living in a police state!


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 09 May 11 - 07:59 PM

And, following in Tommy Douglas steps, was Allan Blakney, a hard working, respected and intellectual Sask. politician/Premier.

Allan Emrys Blakeney, former Premier of Saskatchewan, and Nova Scotian


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 11 - 07:55 PM

Tommy... the VOTED "greatest" Canuck... and now the one who would sully his legacy... maybe???


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: number 6
Date: 09 May 11 - 07:30 PM

"hard-working good old boys of the Prairies"

Out of the Canadian prairies came one of the finest politicians Canada was ever blessed to have .... Tommy Douglas ... the father of Canadian socialist medicare. and the NDP party at that.

He stood for the embodiment of the principals of the NDP party.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 11 - 07:17 PM

Of course, I hope we don't get into any pissing contests. The hard working good old boys in AB ain't no more so than the lads what work in the backwoods and on the water in the Maritimes... the lads that paid to open the west... ALL of the west west of the Maritimes. Fact is, we are all in this together. United we stand, divided we're fucked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 09 May 11 - 07:00 PM

"hHrd-working good old boys" are "hard-working good old boys", regardless of where they live, or the tasks they do.

The rest is mostly legend, used for male bonding, to put someone else down, to reinforce the arts (aka songs and movies), or to entertain the tourists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 11 - 06:14 PM

LH.... "and I doubt that the American public would go for him much if he ran down there...assuming he was an American. He's not the type they tend to go for."

Odd statement. I think the Yanks vote with as much intelligence as any other country. They just voted in a scholar. As for Bush, they voted that cowboy in because he is a cowboy and that is what they wanted. They didn't want Al Gore... they wanted somebody to kick ass. Even though that's up in the air, so to speak, they voted him in the second time and that certainly was "cowboy" type shit. Of course, the "don't change horses in the middle of the stream" could have been a factor.

In any case, I think the next two years could be rocky.

Q... as far as embracing the "hard-working good old boys of the Prairies to support what is productive in Canada", I do not see why that is any different than what goes on every day and has gone on in past generations while also using the wealth generated to benefit all Canucks instead of just the wealthy. If it's gonna end up being dog eat dog, ya better buy a BIG dog fer when ya go for a walk at night or some poor mongrel might prey on ya... poverty breeds crime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 09 May 11 - 06:13 PM

Sorry Q?

I don't recall making a reference to "Albertians".
I suspect you confuse me with someone else?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 May 11 - 05:55 PM

Some years ago I saw a film taken in New Guinea. A native in "full dress" (looked like a headhunter) stopped the truck bearing the reporter and cameraman. He wanted a ride to the next village. He was very upset at the government for not building more roads. Probably pretty savvy about politics.

But yes, Ed T, Albertans were happy that Harper and his party won a majority. His policies are theirs. Not a game, just real life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 May 11 - 05:41 PM

Yeah, Harper's smooth, sharp, articulate, and smart. He's definitely not a George Bush or a Ronald Reagan personality, he's right on top of his game mentally, and I doubt that the American public would go for him much if he ran down there...assuming he was an American. He's not the type they tend to go for.

Mind you, neither is Ignatieff. ;-) Even less so. And as for Jack Layton...well, they might like him okay if he moved about 400 miles farther to the Right! ;-D

Trying to explain Canadian politics to the average American, who probably is pretty uninterested anyway, and who thinks of "socialism" as a satanic plan to enslave people, is kind of like trying to explain algebra to a New Guinea headhunter (in my opinion)...or curling to a Martian. Hopeless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 11 - 05:19 PM

LH... "Steven Harper (the Conservative leader just elected again) does not give the impression of being stupid nor is he inarticulate."

RATHER articulate. That first meeting with Obama... the news conference afterward stood out for me... en Anglaise et in French he did Canucks proud, he actually outdid Obama by a mile and THAT is saying something considering the oratory skills of Obama. Of course, the AP didn't report much of it and the news parody shows made a mockery of it, as is their want, bread and butter.

Gotta say, he can be smooth... but I too believe his is slippery as an eel and MAY suck the blood out of Canadians like a lamprey. Well see... in one to two years in my estimation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 09 May 11 - 04:12 PM

Good assessments and observations in your second last post,LH.

I can see the logic in many of your frustrations and a lot of what you stated in your assessment of Canadian politics. But, I suspect it is only marginally much different in other democratic world locals?

I understand, but have not given up on government and politics.
The reason is I know that bad decisions, or a bad government can have disasterous national, local, and individual consequences.

Unfortunartely, some (but, more likely many) see politics merely as a game of sport. They seem to get their jollies off when "their team wins, and "when their chosen horse comes in first".

Fortunately, it is not that simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 May 11 - 02:29 PM

C'est la vie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 May 11 - 02:02 PM

Everybody is always happy when the electoral ball happens to bounce their way. ;-) And they will proceed to tell you all about how it proves that the country has finally "woken up". It proves nothing of the sort, but it's comforting to pretend it does...when the ball happens to bounce your way.

I expect nothing from the political system, because I have long since lost all faith in it, and in all the established political parties. They play their standard roles in the game, and sometimes the ball bounces their way. It has virtually nothing to do with how my life works out or how your life works out...that has to do with what I do or with what you do, not with what they do. They play the game. We live our lives in spite of it.

Since I expect nothing from them, I am not about to lose much sleep over who won the last bounce of the ball. ;-) But I'm still interested enough to discuss it. And, yes, I still vote (though for me to do so in this particular riding achieves absolutely nothing). Since I expected nothing to be achieved anyway by my vote, I am not devastated by the result. My life will adjust to whatever comes, presently I won't be here anymore, and the game will just go on without me...

...and I won't miss it one bit.


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