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partial capos for guitars

The Sandman 07 May 11 - 12:44 PM
SonnyWalkman 07 May 11 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Fraser Foster 07 May 11 - 01:23 PM
GUEST 07 May 11 - 02:51 PM
Will Fly 07 May 11 - 04:13 PM
Deckman 07 May 11 - 04:19 PM
GUEST,number 6 07 May 11 - 04:58 PM
Richard Bridge 08 May 11 - 03:23 AM
GUEST,Tom Bliss 08 May 11 - 03:55 AM
Will Fly 08 May 11 - 03:57 AM
Brian May 08 May 11 - 11:02 AM
GUEST,twickfolk 08 May 11 - 01:41 PM
Will Fly 08 May 11 - 02:05 PM
Richard Bridge 08 May 11 - 02:47 PM
The Sandman 08 May 11 - 02:53 PM
Richard Bridge 08 May 11 - 04:37 PM
GUEST,Tom Bliss 08 May 11 - 05:52 PM
The Sandman 08 May 11 - 06:24 PM
ripov 08 May 11 - 07:27 PM
evansakes 09 May 11 - 04:14 AM
GUEST,Alan Whittle 09 May 11 - 04:21 AM
Hamish 09 May 11 - 04:33 AM
Will Fly 09 May 11 - 05:10 AM
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Subject: partial capos for guitars
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 May 11 - 12:44 PM

anybody experimented much with these capos, and got any ideas how useful they are


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: SonnyWalkman
Date: 07 May 11 - 01:17 PM

I use a Shubb partial capo at the 2nd fret on strings 3,4 & 5 which puts you in EBEABE (i.e one whole step up on DADGAD). It has the advantage that you can use ordinary barre chords above the capo so you've got the best of standard tuning and DADGAD but without retuning.

You're not limited to playing everything in E either. To play in other keys just put a standard capo two frets below wherever you put the partial - it doesn't half confuse people when you're jamming.   

It took a bit of time to get my head round it but I love it now.

On most guitars you can also get away with using a standard Shubb or a G7 capo at the 2nd fret but only on strings 1,2,3,4 & 5 which puts you in dropped D but one whole step up (Dropped E?).


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,Fraser Foster
Date: 07 May 11 - 01:23 PM

i made a capo out of sellotape and ivory piano keys once but it didn't work very well and was a real nuisance to use. Since then I've stuck with Blu-tack - which works surprisngly well, especially for Irish tunes.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 11 - 02:51 PM

I often use a Schubb short capo on the first five, or 4, strings of my guitars. It works very well. bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 May 11 - 04:13 PM

I've just used a tenor banjo/guitar capo on my 6-string. I put it on the 4th fret, over strings 5-1, leaving the bass E string free. Playing with the C voicing in this position gives you a higher E chord but with a nice deep bass. You can see and hear the result here:

"Simple Solitude"


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Deckman
Date: 07 May 11 - 04:19 PM

VERY VERY NICE! bob


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 07 May 11 - 04:58 PM

Very good !


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 11 - 03:23 AM

What SonnyWalkman said.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 08 May 11 - 03:55 AM

I shaved a few mill off a Dunlop to use at the 7th fret, for Em with open low E bass. The Dunlop is thin enough, and filed to an angle, so I can still fret the B on the E string for Bm etc.

Playing behind the capo surprises people too

Tom


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 May 11 - 03:57 AM

Dick, I've just remembered that, three years ago, I wrote a little piece called "Kelvin Side" on which I used the "Third-Hand Universal Guitar Capo". I stopped the 5th, 4th and 3rd strings at the 2nd fret - which gave an Esus tuning. You can see the result here:

Kelvin Side

It was interesting to experiment with but, I have to say, I didn't use it again, and it's lying somewhere in my music room...


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Brian May
Date: 08 May 11 - 11:02 AM

I have the Shubb brass partial capo, I experimented the day it arrived and now it resides in my guitar bits box.

Anyone in UK who wants to purchase it, please PM me and we'll discuss it.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,twickfolk
Date: 08 May 11 - 01:41 PM

What's been mentioned so far merely scratches the surface of what you can do withvarious combinations of full and partial capos. Search for a guy by the name of Randall Williams on Youtube. He has made some DVDs on partial capo techniques. Beginner and Advanced.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 May 11 - 02:05 PM

I'm sure you're right! Trouble is - for me - there's actually too much to be bothered with when there's still so much to work on in conventional tuning. Hence the consigning of the partial capo to the shelf.

I spend a huge amount of time transcribing jazz and other tunes for guitar - the impetus for which is the tune itself. I rather think that the impetus for using a partial capo is probably the partial capo itself, rather than the tune... :-)


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 11 - 02:47 PM

I think its that big set of drones, and the ease of fingering tunes within the root chords.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 May 11 - 02:53 PM

i read somewhere about cutting a standard capo to cover 4 strings, and tuning the guitar to drop d, and covering 6 5 4 3 with capo,placing capo on second fret, and you are in dadgad or ebeabe


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 11 - 04:37 PM

It doesn't give you the internal fingerings (ooh matron).


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 08 May 11 - 05:52 PM

The notes may be DADGAD, but it's not really DADGAD.

Partial capos only give you a new set of 'open' strings. As soon as you fret a string you're back in Standard on that string. This conundrum can be useful at times, but it can also be quite restrictive too.

Tom


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 May 11 - 06:24 PM

ok, it is limited but it also opens up new possibilities, and avoids retuning three strings, using a partial capo on strings 234, is interesting too.
imo most open tunings are not the answer to everything, neither [imo]is standard tuning.
but using standard and a variety of different tunings and a partial capo can reveal possibilities that would be extremely awkward if the player were to stick to one tuning.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: ripov
Date: 08 May 11 - 07:27 PM

seems to me you guys want a capo built like the button box on a chord harp.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: evansakes
Date: 09 May 11 - 04:14 AM

I beg to differ Will...the impetus doesn't need to be the partial capo itself.

Here's Randall Williams explaining a little more about how liberating and limitless the possibilities can be if you are prepared to spend a little time getting your head round some of the voicings. Here he explains what you can do using a 'partial' with the guitar already tuned in DADGAD

Partial capo tutorial


As Randall says...it's not for the faint of heart


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 09 May 11 - 04:21 AM

I think basically they're for clever people. That's me out. I'm in the 'I've got one somewhere' club. Only I've got two. One for covering two strings - one for three - both Shubbs - both things of beauty - but not alas, a joy for any length of time at all. Gordon Giltrap uses them. There again - Gordon's pretty bright. As is Richard Bridge.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Hamish
Date: 09 May 11 - 04:33 AM

A pal showed me a trick with a Kyser capo last week: put it on back to front and it's a partial capo covering three strings. So it can turn standard tuning into a pre-populated A chord if you want or what he did was to use it on strings 3, 4 & 5 at the second fret to make it into an Esus4 chord, so sort of DADGAD-ish but up a tone like Sonny Walkman has posted above.

Kysers (and others) can also be used upside down on strings 1 to 5 at the second fret so it's a sort of drop-D but shapes like G chords are still conventional.


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 11 - 05:10 AM

I beg to differ Will...the impetus doesn't need to be the partial capo itself.

No, of course not - I was merely making the observation that, for many people, they come to the partial capo with the thought, "I wonder what's possible with a partial capo..." rather than, "I need a partial capo for this tune...". With familiarity, I'm sure the second sentence will eventually come true.

For me - and this is just my personal take - I don't really have a burning desire to do more than just play around occasionally with partial capos and alternative tunings. The standard guitar workload and "to do" list is pretty long already!


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 11 - 10:06 AM

Partial Capo Tutorial: An introduction to partial DADGAD, and ...
Interactively explore the partial capo and any guitar chord with Sound Thinking, ... This is the simplest way to partially capo a guitar, and you don't need ...
www.theoreticallycorrect.com/partial-capo/index.html -


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 May 11 - 07:41 AM

Will I enjoyed simple solitude, EXCELLENT


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 11 - 12:26 PM

could also try a spidercapo


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Subject: RE: partial capos for guitars
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 May 11 - 12:36 PM

Dick - many thanks - glad you enjoyed it. :-)


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