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British ballads in South Africa

banjocircus 12 May 11 - 03:30 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 May 11 - 09:29 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 May 11 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,John MacKenzie 13 May 11 - 04:13 AM
MartinRyan 13 May 11 - 04:47 AM
banjocircus 13 May 11 - 08:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 May 11 - 08:06 AM
banjocircus 15 May 11 - 08:44 AM
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Subject: Folklore: British ballads in South Africa
From: banjocircus
Date: 12 May 11 - 03:30 PM

When the British settled North America, settlers brought ballads with them which naturalized into the new culture.

Was there a similar phenomenon in South Africa? Are there collections of South African versions of Childs and other British ballads?

Thanks,

Jonathan Leiss


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 May 11 - 09:29 PM

Interesting question!

The Hugenots and Dutch were the first white settlers of South Africa, but the British took over in 1795, gave it back for a few years, then took over again in 1806 (handy-dandy Wikipedia).
There should be old ballads of both groups there.


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 May 11 - 09:31 PM

A large archive of Boer songs on the net, but I haven't seen anything devoted to the settlers from the British Isles.


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 13 May 11 - 04:13 AM

Previous thread


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 May 11 - 04:47 AM

Interesting question. As a gross simplification, I'd have thought the North American survivals happened in part because of the development of self-sufficient, conservative, isolated English/Scots/Irish communities which survived for a variety of different reasons and preserved some folk traditions. I'm not conscious of that having happened in South Africa which, in a sense, was primarily a maritime service station at the crucial period.

That said, I have a picture in my mind's eye of a small book consisting of "simplified" versions of English/Scots ballads intended to be taught to schoolchildren in British African colonies. Not what the original poster is asking about but indicative of their later use on that continent.


Regards


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: banjocircus
Date: 13 May 11 - 08:20 PM

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. More or less what I expected.

Jonathan


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:06 AM

Maybe generations of transportation to America and Australia contributed to this. So far as I know there was never transportation to South Africa.


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Subject: RE: British ballads in South Africa
From: banjocircus
Date: 15 May 11 - 08:44 AM

Perhaps not, but there were soldiers and sailors. Of course they both had their own repertoires, but perhaps a Barbara Allen or Froggy Went a Courtin slipped in there? That was my hope in asking, any way.

Jonathan


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