BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jul 11 - 03:11 PM

gnu, you may very well be missing something here.

It seems to be endemic among many rich and powerful men that because they are "Alpha Males" in the world in general, any woman that they deign to find attractive should be more than happy to be the recipients of their seed. With some, it never seems to occur to them that it could be otherwise, and when the woman resists, they assume she's just being coy.

Note the number of rich, famous, and powerful men (politicians, businessmen, athletes, actors, ) that are regularly caught in sex scandals. And many of these sex scandals involve forcible sex.

The more I hear about Strauss-Kahn, the more he sounds like the Charlie Sheen of the financial world.

"SURE, women want to sleep with me! I have tiger's blood and Adonis genes!!"
                                                                                                    —Charlie Sheen

He recently got his ass canned from "Two and a Half Men" (a weekly half-hour TV comedy) for demanding $1,500,000 per episode. "I'm worth it!" he insisted.

"No, you're not!" responded CBS.

Both Charlie Sheen and Dominique Strauss-Kahn are examples of the fact that, by their assumption of extraordinary privilege, these "Alpha Males", in addition to the harm they do to others, can be stupidly self-destructive.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jul 11 - 02:32 PM

What a load of shite.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jul 11 - 02:11 PM

Strauss-Kahn Faces New Sexual Assault Complaint
by The Associated Press, July 4, 2011

A French woman novelist and writer came to interview Strauss-Kahn and he proceeded to jump her bones.

CLICKY

Considering this guy's history and the trail of assaulted women he's left behind him, along with the fact that he can't seem to control himself, he's got to be a sex maniac.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jul 11 - 11:57 AM

Another perspective:

Rape Isn't Funny: On Making Excuses For Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Blaming the Alleged Victim

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 09:27 PM

>One would think that a world renown international banker would know better than to indulge in gratuitous sex with someone he didn't know....

Are you kidding?   

And according to the New Yorker a few weeks back, many of his Parisian associates say that he isn't just an ordinary womanizer, he's "sick."

Or are these reports just part of the "conspiracy"? (I'm starting to lose track of who's supposed to be conspiring against whom and for what.)

Conceivably the maid thought she could somehow get him to pay her off big-time to drop the charges. It wouldn't work - if the State of New York decides to go to trial, it wouldn't matter what she does. If she suddenly refused to testify, she'd be open to perjury charges for lying under oath to investigators.

Not that she necessarily knows that - or that she isn't really a victim (see paragraph one).

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 08:39 PM

Bodad-

"I heard her lawyer say that there was photographic evidence of bruising of her vagina which is consistent with forced or rough sex"

Yes, I also heard her attorney say that. I'm not sure what medical experts would conclude in their testimony at trial.

I doubt if there was a larger conspiracy, but that certainly can't be ruled out at this point.

One would think that a world renown international banker would know better than to indulge in gratuitous sex with someone he didn't know but maybe that's how the international money market is run.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 06:57 PM

"Strauss-Kahn will never entirely clear his own name in this case but public opinion in France is more indulgent with regard to sexual acts than here in the puritanical States."

Is it really? Or is there just a difference in who we revere? The Kobe Bryant case comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:12 PM

"It's still not clear to me how convincing the physical evidence of rape is..."

I heard her lawyer say that there was photographic evidence of bruising of her vagina which is consistent with forced or rough sex but now with the questions about her credibility it will be difficult to convince a jury.....tough call.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:51 PM

Strauss-Kahn appears to be off the hook for a trial at this point. One needs a credible witness and the chamber maid's no longer fits that bill. It's still not clear to me how convincing the physical evidence of rape is but the chamber maid's credibility would never survive cross-examination on the witness stand.

Strauss-Kahn will never entirely clear his own name in this case but public opinion in France is more indulgent with regard to sexual acts than here in the puritanical States.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:30 PM

"a viable way....." There is a long history of powerful men exploiting powerless women--gee, I sound like a traitor to my sex but it's obviously true.    It was a very plausible theory from the start that this fit that pattern.

And indeed this theory has not been destroyed.    Her credibility is shattered.    But as my Jan has told me, the maid's behavior at the time of the incident is perfectly in keeping with how a woman in her situation--knowing there are skeletons in her closet which will likely come out--might well behave.    Her default setting might well have been to continue doing her job, while deciding what she could do about the attack.

So she made the wrong decision in a possibly criminal case, it seems. Then she made some more bad decisions. Won't be the first person or the last to do so.    Some have been far more sophisticated and still made wretched decisions.    Mr Weiner comes immediately to mind.

As has been recently noted: don't attribute to evil what can be explained by incompetence.

And if somebody assures you "I know what I'm doing", that's a good indication it may well not be so.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 02:51 PM

Now we'll see if her deposits matter more than his!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 05:11 PM

Latest:

http://news.yahoo.com/accusers-lies-jeopardize-dsk-case-experts-071029981.html


CNN reports that the following day the maid told a convicted drug-dealer "boyfriend" words to this effect: "Don't worry. I know what I'm doing. This man has a lot of money." She didn't know that all phone calls to prison inmates are recorded.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 05:00 PM

...his history is clearly one that would lend credence to allegations of the maid...

True enough - but of course that is the very thing that would have made this a viable way of discrediting him. It's a stick that points both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 04:47 PM

That was said earlier in the thread--that's the eternal joy of conspiracy theorists--they can always allege the coverup was an essential part of the conspiracy.   So logic and evidence need never play a role.





As far as allegations of rape;   obviously each case is different. In this case, however, his history is clearly one that would lend credence to allegations of the maid--and this has been true for quite a while to anybody who reads about him.

The chances however seem to be that her credibility is so shaky due to other factors that the case will fall.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:46 PM

But if it was a stitch up by very professional people, one wouldn't expect any evidence!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:28 PM

Bloomberg: 1 July 2011:    Former sex crime prosecutor Anne Bremner:   I would drop this case and I think it should be dropped.

She obviously feels the credibility issues of the maid are fatal to the case.

If so, we may never find out if the crime was committed or not--just that it was an unwinnable case.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:23 PM

But the same is true of the allegations of rape, until these have been properly examined in the course of the investigation and trial.

Allegations without evidence are better regarded as speculations. At times interesting, but always to be treated with extreme caution.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:04 PM

Exactly.   And thus far those who allege a frameup--by anybody--have come up with precisely zero evidence.   As I and others have said more than once.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 12:46 PM

Shreds of evidence are a good idea before alleging anything. That's what trials are for, to examine the shrediness of evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 12:40 PM

However it behooves all Mudcatters--and all sentient beings--to treat these "frameup" allegations--frameup by anybody-- with all the respect they deserve--and no more. And to not add to pointless dark amorphous speculation---unless you are thinking of employment by the tabloid press.

The burden is clearly on those who allege a frameup to come up with--even a shred--of evidence.    Thus far, none, except in the minds of imaginative boozers.

It's a seedy affair--but one likely only between DSK and the maid.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 11:02 AM

Every media source in Europe will shout that the Americans tried to frame him but failed.

I'd think that would be highly unlikely. Far more likely that any theories about this being a politically motivated set-up would be directed at political opponents in France. Or of course that it was a Badger Game involving a Dirty Old Man.

All very seedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM

"There's something nasty in the woodshed."

That about sums it up.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 07:07 PM

"brainlessly prejudiced".

Temper, temper, little man.

Interesting, Peter.    You describe me as "brainlessly prejudiced" yet you agree with me that nothing establishes US dirty tricks are behind DSK's arrest.   I suppose that makes you a fellow brainless commentator.    Welcome!

Gee, I wonder if your phrase could possibly be due to bitterness from another thread. I suppose we'll never know.

Recent developments also do not establish DSK's innocence, you might possibly note--only that his accuser has credibility problems.   But whatever it takes to get DSK off, right?
We'll see how it goes from here.    I wouldn't wager on any particular outcome--but as I said earlier, it may well depend on if the maid is willing to give detailed testimony in court.

Irony on irony. I am defending a powerless woman against a powerful man.   That might well be the typical leftist position. Guess that makes me a bleeding heart pinko leftist--truly a strange sensation--and those on the other side heartless capitalist reactionaries. Or maybe running dog imperialists---or whatever jargon you care to use.

I'm sure you have your favorites.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:55 PM

Well, if Strauss-Kahn becomes president of France - as most experts thought he would have before the rape allegation - then that would knock holes in the dirty tricks theory, but if he doesn't ...
But either way, something smells very off to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:22 PM

If the charges are dropped for lack of evidence and/or the poor credibility of the alleged victim (and they haven't been), DSK won't stay very discredited for long.

Every media source in Europe will shout that the Americans tried to frame him but failed. That will boost his popularity in some circles.

If this is an example of "dirty tricks," it seems like a uniquely pointless and inept one designed to produce completely random results. In other words, it's indistinguishable from no conspiracy at all.

No matter how the case turns out, there will be Mudcatters declaring that it was obviously some kind of conspiracy.

Also worth remembering: "credibility" isn't the same as "truthfulness." "Credibility" is what sways juries.

The alleged victim may well be telling the truth, but her history could make it impossible to persuade a jury that the event happened as she claims - especially since defendant DSK is presumed innocent. Under the rules of evidence, the prosecution has also had to inform the defense of their discovery that she may have seriously falsified an income tax return.

The prosecution, of course, is trying to put DSK in jail.

Reality is complicated, isn't it? Not much like movies and TV, or so I'm told.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:15 PM

Peter K, what world do you live in?

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 02:32 PM

Tunesmith, there's something you don't understand.

Let's assume you're right that DSK is innocent, which is at least a possibility. (Unless Charley Noble knows something that the rest of us don't, the only evidence against him is the word of a woman the district attorney thinks a liar.) His innocence would go nowhere near proving dirty tricks by powerful people, whether American or any other nationality. The fact that you can conceive of no other explanation suggests a severe lack of imagination, and that's putting it at its kindest.

Perhaps, in view of your gullibility, you should be more careful in choosing your fellow drinkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM

What aspect of "Dirty Tricks" don't you understand?
From the word go, this whole rape thing didn't ring true.
Powerful people wanted Strauss-Kahn discredited, and, guess what - they've succeeded!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:08 PM

Regardless of the woman's history, the physical evidence supports a charge of rape against Strauss-Kahn. What aspect of "rape" do some of you fail to comprehend?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 12:49 PM

Correction: the defense in an American criminal trial replies to the prosecution's summation, but the prosecution gets to respond to the defense summation.

Meanwhile, surprising new developments:

http://news.yahoo.com/strauss-kahn-free-house-arrest-charges-stand-154714378.html

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:36 AM

The "perp walk" undoubtedly serves to prejudice the public against high-profile defendants - the only ones likely to appear in such circumstances.

Unfortunately from that point of view, courts have ruled that it would be an unconstitutional abridgment of freedom of the press to prohibit news media from photographing a suspect in custody while in a public place, as when being walked from a police vehicle into a station house for arraignment

Contrary to what some might wish to believe, the "perp walk" was not dreamed up by American prosecutors, and certain limits have been placed on it - mainly that suspects must not be moved around in public unnecessarily. It is also true, though, that police have often alerted the media to the time of arraignment to facilitate the filming. This too appears to be protected as freedom of speech and press, because few wish to encourage the secret arraignment of suspects.

France can justly claim the moral high ground in the perp-walk debate because press and speech freedoms there are narrower than in the United States. (It is a crime in France to "insult" the flag, for example; in the U.S., anti-flag-burning legislation has never passed Congress.)

Regardless, it's still true that jurors in criminal trials are carefully instructed that defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty on the basis of courtroom evidence only. The defense in every criminal case gets to deliver its summation last, a disadvantage to the prosecution.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:29 AM

My god! Dirty Tricks, Dirty Tricks, DIRTY TRICKS!! Mission accomplished!!
We are now well passed the point where naivety must be reclassed as stupidity!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 07:32 AM

Quite a disappointment for you then, bobad, as it must also have been for the brainlessly prejudiced Ron Davies. And if the case does collapse, as now seems inevitable, you might like to note, bobad, that it was not DSK's team of expensive lawyers that dredged up "all sorts of mundane facts on the accuser" but the prosecuters.

I have refrained from posting earlier in this thread because of its ridiculous starting premise and unwarranted title. But I would be interested to know if American Mudcatters are entirely sanguine about a custom whereby innocent people are paraded before the news media in handcuffs, to prejudice public opinion and allow the likes of Ron and bobad to wallow in schadenfreude (the "perp walk" as I think Guiliano enshrined it).

Leadfingers made a highly valid point near the top of the thread. Those who ignored or dismissed it might like to read it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 07:01 AM

Case against IMF chief 'near collapse'
New York Times says prosecutors discover issues involving accuser's asylum application and possible criminal links.
Last Modified: 01 Jul 2011 04:32

Strauss-Kahn pleaded not guilty at Manhattan Criminal Court on June 6 as hotel workers protested outside [Reuters]

The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former chief of the International Monetary Fund, is near collapse, US media reports say.

Quoting well-placed law enforcement officials, the New York Times said prosecutors had met Strauss-Kahn's lawyers on Thursday and the parties were discussing whether to dismiss the felony charges against him.

Although forensic evidence showed there had been a sexual encounter between Strauss-Kahn and his accuser, a hotel maid, the latter had repeatedly lied and prosecutors did not believe much of what she had said.

Sources told the New York Times that the prosecutors had discovered issues involving the asylum application of the hotel maid, a 32-year-old Guinean woman, and possible links to criminal activities, including drug dealing and money laundering.

The prosecutors had discovered that several individuals, including a man now incarcerated for possessing 180kg of marijuana, had made multiple cash deposits, totalling around $100,000 into the woman's account over the last two years.

The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania, according to the paper. But it added that the woman said she knew nothing about the deposits.

The paper reported that the woman had a phone conversation with the incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded, but the paper did not name the person who did the recording.

Strauss-Kahn's attorney, Benjamin Brafman, said his client would go back to court on Thursday to ask for relaxed bail conditions. It is expected that he will be allowed to travel freely in the United States but not abroad. He has been confined to an apartment in Manhattan while awaiting trial.

Strauss-Kahn, 62, was arrested on May 14 in New York on charges of sexual assault. He resigned from the IMF on May 19 and pleaded not guilty on June 6, vehemently denying the allegations. If convicted, he faces up to 25 years in prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Cynical K
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:12 AM

Get Bernstein and Woodward on the phone!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:04 AM

Oh dear!

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 09:15 PM

NEW YORK — Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn initially tried to claim diplomatic immunity when he was arrested over the attempted rape of a hotel maid, official police transcripts revealed Thursday.

The transcripts, released by the prosecution, showed that when Strauss-Kahn was being led by police from his first class seat on an Air France flight on May 14, some of his first words were: "I have diplomatic immunity."

Later when taken downtown, Strauss-Kahn relented when asked if he had some kind of diplomatic status, saying: "No, no, no. I am not trying to use that, I just want to know if I need a lawyer."

The International Monetary Fund, from which Strauss-Kahn later resigned as managing director, said days after his arrest that immunity did not apply in the case because he had been on private business during his stay in New York.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/16/strauss-kahn-tried-to-claim-diplomatic-immunity/

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 May 11 - 03:48 PM

That kind of thing is illegal over here in England. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but people doing it taking a risk, and it isn't on the same scale by a long way. Lawyers aren't likely to risk doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 11 - 03:43 PM

Benjamin Brafman and his team of defense lawyers are complaining about the leakage of information (by police and prosecutor?).

There will be a lot of pre-trial jockeying, aimed at influencing the judge and prospective jurors.

Jurors are selected from those who claim that they haven't read, heard or discussed the case- nonsense, of course, in this day of excess media coverage of everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 May 11 - 11:07 PM

The most likely way I would think Strauss-Kahn might get out of this is if the maid, as a modest, faithful Moslem probably unused to talking to large groups of people--much less about something so intimate and shaming in her eyes--and probably also those of her community-----decides she just can't face giving the necessary excruciatingly detailed testimony to a room full of people--i.e. a courtroom.

Hope that doesn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Lighter
Date: 26 May 11 - 10:53 PM

>"we could now release substantial information...

"Could" means they proably won't, or else they'd be doing it. Which means there may not be any at all. Why should we assume there is?

The lawyers aren't in a courtroom and they're not under oath. They're representing their client (i.e., saying exactly what he'd say if he'd thought of it, if not more). They're trying to counterbalance the prosecution's leaks with their own spin.

They're just striking back with zero risk to the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: bobad
Date: 26 May 11 - 10:20 PM

Strauss-Kahn's lawyers threaten to 'undermine' maid's credibility

By Agence France-Presse
Thursday, May 26th, 2011 -- 7:32 pm

NEW YORK – Defense lawyers for Dominique Strauss-Kahn say they have information which could "gravely undermine" the credibility of the New York hotel maid accusing the former IMF chief of trying to rape her.

The threat appeared in a long letter from attorneys William Taylor and Benjamin Brafman to Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance in which they complained about what they said were "continual" leaks by police aimed at damaging their client's case.

Responding, the DA's office said in a letter Thursday it was "troubled" by the threat about damaging information on the maid and said: "We are aware of no such information."

According to Taylor and Brafman, "we could now release substantial information that in our view would seriously undermine the quality of this prosecution and also gravely undermine the credibility of the complainant in this case," the letter said.

No further information was given about the nature of the information, but the mention raised new tensions ahead of a June 6 court hearing when Strauss-Kahn is expected to plead not guilty to the sex assault charges.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/26/strauss-kahns-lawyers-threaten-to-undermine-maids-credibility/

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 May 11 - 09:43 PM

And please try to come up with something more original then "———gate."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 May 11 - 09:16 PM

As to the thread title: I really doubt American tricks of any kind. I don't think we as Americans have a dog in the fight, plus we have a high level of ignorance regarding French politics, or should I say, ahem, affairs.

As to whether or not Strauss-Kahn can get out of it, not very long ago an American got out of shooting two Pakistanis via a "blood" payment. Maybe we can inaugurate some kind of similar principal.

Your job, come up with a suitable name for this . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 May 11 - 09:00 PM

i just thought it was fascinating how otherwise very intelligent and articulate people seemed desperate to reserve the possibility that "American dirty tricks" were behind the encounter of Mr. Strauss-Kahn and the maid.    Despite precisely zero evidence to support that theory.

I could see that pubgoers might come up with this idea.    But for people not imbibing at the time of writing, it's remarkable that a thinking person would even want to consider this conspiracy theory.

However it's certainly true that conspiracy theories of various flavors have been popular on Mudcat for quite a while. I even started a thread awhile ago to try to examine possible reasons for some Mudcatters' delight in conspiracy theories.   Maybe I'll resurrect that thread----particularly since i've recently run across an possible explanation which makes a lot of sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 May 11 - 12:25 PM

lighter: "Mudcat gives a damn. 128 posts."

You mean 'opinions'?..or damn opinions?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Lighter
Date: 26 May 11 - 08:41 AM

Mudcat gives a damn.

128 posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 11 - 10:50 PM

Ron Davies: "Guest from", you don't really expect us to accept any of your wacky ideas as plausible, I hope--for anything but comic relief."

Well, if that works, it's OK with me..i thought it to be a bit of cynicism. Frankly, I don't give a damn about him or her, as to their motives. Was merely pointing out all the possibilities, and in the end...who gives a damn?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 May 11 - 09:04 PM

Particularly educated people who have recently lived through the Bush-Cheney era.

Subject: RE: BS: Strauss-Kahn. American dirty tricks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 May 11 - 09:03 PM

I'm sorry, a "set-up" by anybody in this case just strains credulity too far.

It's fascinating that--still--- nobody has come up with a remotely plausible suggestion.   This strongly implies that anybody who does not want to dismiss the "set-up" idea is just trying to protect his own ego.

"Guest from", you don't really expect us to accept any of your wacky ideas as plausible, I hope--for anything but comic relief.




Look at this guy's history--among other things, several years ago an interview with a good looking young woman journalist turned out to be, according to her, attempted rape.   Good start:   he had her meet him in an apartment which had just a bed and a videocamera.    Then he insisted on her holding his hand while conducting the interview.

And how's this for perfect irony:    the book she was interviewing him for was to be on the worst mistakes of politicians.    I suspect he could come up with a good candidate for the book now.



But it's by no means clear that he deserves to have the loaded phrase "serial rapist" brought up. Anybody who does that should know it poisons the well rather effectively--- therefore that person forfeits his right to wrap himself in the flag of presumed innocence. Even if denied later, it's a classic Dick Cheney approach---wonderful propaganda just to raise the possibility in the reader's mind.

As educated people, we should know the power of words--specifically how propaganda works.