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Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes

Stringsinger 05 Jun 11 - 06:40 PM
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Subject: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:40 PM

I will never be a great fiddle player but I like the instrument and practice it occasionally.
I find it difficult to play fast technical pieces but I like to work on my tone and request, if you please,names of easier tunes to play. I realize I will never be a virtuoso on this instrument but I have a couple of nice fiddles and would like to make some pretty music on them. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:38 PM

Maybe some of the O'Carolan tunes would suit you, eg. Planxty Irwin, Fanny Power, etc.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Louie Roy
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 10:57 PM

Stringsinger It makes a lot of differenence whether you are trying to learn by ear or notes. To me there is only one way to play any string instrument and that is by ear and that is the way I've been playing for 80 years (SELF TAUGHT) and I'm not a bit hesitance to go on stage with any group that I've not played with before due to the fact you here the music even if the lead makes a mistake you can cover it up. There are a lot of good simple easy fiddle tunes you can play by ear and I imagine there are a lot of easy fidddle tune you can play by note but remember you can't play them in the dark when you can't see the music sheet


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: harmonic miner
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:03 AM

For any instrument, learning by ear, start by playing tunes that you know and like. Sheet music is not something I ever learned. You don't learn to speak by first learning to read.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:11 AM

there is only one way to play any string instrument and that is by ear

Well, I don't want to re-open the old debate, but some people prefer to learn by ear, some by dots and others by a combination of both. One size doesn't fit all.

Is there any particular style of tune you're interested in, Stringsinger? If you'd like some dots, PM me with a note about the sort of stuff you like, plus your email address, and I can send you some selections from a fairly extensive tune library. If you prefer to play by ear, then some indication of the genres you like will help folks here to come up with some titles.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: PHJim
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:36 AM

Louie Roy said,"There is only one way to play any string instrument and that is by ear"
Harmonic Miner said,"Sheet music is not something I ever learned. You don't learn to speak by first learning to read."

There are certainly more than one way to learn to play any string instrument. Different people have different learning styles and I wouldn't be so arrogant as to say that everyone should learn to play the same way as I did. And while "you don't learn to speak by first learning to read," that doesn't mean that you should never learn to read. I played for at least 5 years before I taught myself to read music and I'm glad I did, because although I'd rather learn a song or tune by hearing it, there are many books with thousands of fiddle tunes in them and it's nice to be able to read them.
I realize that there are people who can speak very well without knowing how to read and there are also those who play very well without knowing how to read music, but learning to read music will not hurt your playing ability any more than learning to read words will hurt your speaking ability. If your way of learning works for you, great, but it's your way, not mine.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Brakn
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:40 AM

I find it easier to play by ear than to read.

The thing about learning to read is that it opens up thousands of tunes. Don't restrict yourself.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:50 AM

You'll probably find most of the folk tunes that crop up in abc format using John Chambers Tune Finder. This site will produce both a midi (to listen to) and the dots (to read) for the tunes...


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Melissa
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:09 AM

Stringsinger,
For me, waltzes are easiest to sound like an almost-adequate fiddler.
Peekaboo Waltz and the one I know as Calloway Waltz (I think it's commonly known with a different name) are pretty easy to catch well enough to make pleasing sounds.

Maiden's Prayer and the one I know as My Left Hand Gets Tired aren't particularly difficult.

I use Hetzler Fakebook to get the melody in my head.
Hetzler


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:12 AM

Well I can interpret, note I don't read the dots...I just use them as a guide to where to put my fingers. Its what I hear that tells me how to play it. As someone once said I can play any tune I've heard (as long as someone gives me the dots). ;)
I'm trying to play by ear...but tend to end up just 'memorising' tunes instead.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:05 AM

First tunes I learned (still playing) Seven Stars, Sally Gardens.
Anything in D with not too many quavers I find easiest.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Seayaker
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:30 AM

"I like the instrument and practise it occasionally" You need to sort out a routine that allows you to practise regularlly and put in as much time as you can afford.

Play anything simple that takes your fancy; hymn tunes are useful as they were written for non virtuoso congregations.

No one started out as an expert and the degree of improvement is in direct proportion to the effort put in.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:48 AM

Odd! I've tried four times to post this and it hasn't appeared...

'By ear' or 'by notation' is a debate that will never be settled!!

However, if you can struggle through the dots to fill in the gaps that your ear has missed, you'll find it very useful.

I agree that being able to play a tune you've heard is probably best in an ideal world, but there are times you'll want to play tunes that no-one else plays, so the easiest (!!?) way to do that is from notation, unless you're prepared to play midi files on your computer and learn the basic melody that way.

I learned to read music by singing in the school choir aged 11, and tend to play all my instruments partly from notation and partly 'by ear' - I read the music, hear it in my head, then play it! Call it odd if you like, but it works for me!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM

I wonder why it worked that time?!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 07:34 AM

Playing by ear means you listen and are more likely to remember it. That is a fact. However, that shouldn't mean you always play by ear. You can learn the sheet music and stop looking at it as soon as you can.

Back to the topic, I believe Marino Casino is fairly simple but I can't find any sheet music online.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:03 AM

Playing by ear means you listen and are more likely to remember it. That is a fact.

With the greatest respect, it's not a fact - simply because some people do have great difficulty learning by ear, however much they listen and however much they try. They may not have been accustomed to listening for much of their life, or they may be some other reason. It's a skill that can be learned, but some people find it harder than others.

I've had pupils who could pick up a tune incredibly quickly - and others who couldn't hold a tune in a bucket.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:13 AM

Sorry, I wasn't clear (plus I'm working from anecdotal evidence, which I should know is silly).

I ran a Barbershop quartet a few years back, and we tended to learn from the dots because it's simpler for us. Once we moved from the music (and just went "la" if we couldn't remember the words) our tuning was better, and we followed each other.

When I said playing by ear, I meant playing it without sheet music at some point, as opposed to learning it by ear. Mostly because if you're playing it without sheet music, you will be remembering it - and you'll probably be listening and going "ah, it's somewhere around here".


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:27 AM

Ah - I understand. I'm not really trying to be pedantic, just aware that there's a huge range of abilities and possibilities between doing everything by ear and doing everything from music.

Guitarist John Williams has said on many occasions that he requires music (which he can remember) and finds improvisation impossible. It's also said that if a spider trailed ink across a sheet of MSS paper, Williams would play it! Contrast that with guitarist Julian Bream who, as well being a great classical guitarist, could rip through Django tunes and improvise away on them.

Horses for courses... :-)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: TheSnail
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 09:28 AM

It has always struck me that there is a confusion of terminology in these discussions. Personally, I have never played by ear; I find it much easier to use my fingers.

There are two separate things being discussed,

learning, which can be done by ear, from the music or a combination of the two and

playing, which can be done from memory or from the dots.

If you're playing from memory, you can have used any of the methods of learning.

Right. Carry on.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Rex
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 10:35 AM

An old fiddler was asked what was the best help to playing a tune. His reply was the ability to whistle. That allows you to functionally work on a tune even while you are engaged in other tasks. You practice by another means and get the tune square in your mind.
   But back to the topic, Stone's Rag is a fun tune and about as easy to play as they come.

Rex


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 10:41 AM

Snail, I got strange looks for laughing at that.

Wait, Wizard's Walk is easy to play! *runs*


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:03 AM

Stringsinger has decades of tunes in his head. He doesn't need to look for more just so he can have something to play.

Just pull something you like out of your memory and try it. If it doesn't work at first, try it in a different key.

If you aren't trying to be a virtuoso there is no such thing as a "fiddle tune". There are just tunes, and you can play most of them on the fiddle.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Hilary
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM

Easy tunes: "Mairi's Wedding" "Arran Boat Song" "Road to Boston" "Brown Cow" "Skye Boat Song" "Boil them Cabbage Down" "Britches full of Stitches"


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Mark Ross
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:58 AM

BUFFALO GALS, SOLDIERS JOY, ANGELINE THE BAKER, TURKEY IN THE STRAW, OLD JOE CLARK, BILE 'EM CABBAGE DOWN. Frank, the trick is to not to try adding any ornamentation until you have the tune down. Also, you have to use the bow like a flatpick (I mean with that kind of precision, not literally),

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Stewart
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:10 PM

"I find it difficult to play fast technical pieces but I like to work on my tone"

I find that with a lot of Irish session playing of fast tunes, my tone, intonation, and playing in general gets quite ragged and undisciplined. When this happens, I like to play a lot of slow airs, O'Carolan tunes are nice, and slow waltzes. Then I can concentrate on the finer aspects of playing. It greatly improves my playing of the fast tunes. Also it helps to slow down those fast tunes so as to hear all the subtleties in the tunes.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:03 PM

...
The Dark Isle, The Ashokan Farewell, The South Wind.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM

While thinking of some slower tunes... can anyone remind me of the title of this one:

X:1
M:3/4
K:G
G2 GA BG | A2 AB cA | G2 GA Bd | c2 A2 F2 |
G2 GA BG | A2 AB cA | d3 e d2 | c2 A2 F2 |
g2 ga ge | d2 g2 a2 | b2 a2 g2 | f2 g2 a2 |
b2 a2 g2 | f2 de fd | dc Ad cA | A2 GF G2 |


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Stewart
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:03 PM

The Munster Cloak

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:08 PM

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:09 PM

"The Munster Cloak". I would normally play it in D on the whistle.

It's a descendant of a 17th century Scots song tune, "Bannocks of Bear Meal", aka "A lad and a lass lay in a killogie".


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:18 PM

I think it's played in G in the sessions I go to but a set of slower tunes is quite rare...


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:27 PM

now i've reset my bisquit i'll repeat my query
What's a killogie ? please

Gerry


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:39 PM

"The Munster Cloak" is also known as "The Spanish Cloak" and I find it kinder to me on fiddle than on anything else. Old Joe Clark (above) has one or two "bum" notes out of its standard key which you may find interesting..

Try http://www.lexic.us/definition-of/killogie

Good Luck with the fiddle,

Chris.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 07:04 PM

A killogie is a hollow in the ground deep enough to conceal whatever a lad and a lass might want to get up to together. The title is from a bawdy song first written down in the early 18th century. It's probably the original text of the song, since "Bannocks of Bear Meal" is Jacobite and they always recycled older tunes.

"The Spanish Cloak" may be a title derived from urban legend - the tune was believed by some in Ireland to be Spanish and to have come over ith the Armada. (We have been there in other threads - not bloody likely).


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:58 AM

There are a few ' learn how to fiddle' tunes on you tube now. You might find some you like.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 11:28 AM

thanks for the info Jack

Gerry


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 11:28 AM

thanks for the info Jack

Gerry


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: CupOfTea
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:15 PM

How about asking someone who teaches fiddle with the sorts of tunes you're familiar with -old time, Irish, English, Classical, etc - what they suggest for starters?

I've recently found that there are tunes I love, that LOOK simple by notation, but just don't fit my melody instrument (concertina) easily but are considered very easy on fiddle. (Our House Waltz fer instance). After just playing backup chords to tunes and songs for years, it was a surprise to find out there are tunes that just seem to be MADE for fiddle, or whistle or concertina or harp, but not so friendly to others sorts of instruments. In singing, I could just change the key to suit me, but playing tunes with others, there's knowing what key it's usually played in that'll preclude shifting keys for comfort.

Getting some suggestions from someone who knows the mechanics of playing your instrument & the repertoire of your sorts of tunes makes sense to me.

Joanne in Cleveland...Back to trying to figure out the fingering on that one tricky bit of fingering on "St. Anne's Reel"...


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Megan M
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:42 PM

Rex, agreed -- I find if I can whistle a tune all the way through, I can learn it faster on the fiddle and move it to other instruments without too much trouble.

Stringsinger, I feel like we're in a similar boat with the fiddle, so here are some of my favorite easy tunes:

The Eagle's Whistle (http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4192)
The Earl's Chair (http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/221)
Rolling Waves (http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/88)

And, for fun with tone, Mo Ghile Mear (http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1612)

I have recordings of "The Earl's Chair" and "Rolling Waves" that are good to learn from, if you like.

Cheers,
Megan


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Artful Codger
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 05:14 PM

Many contradance tunes are pretty easy on the fiddle. And there may be a contradance group near you that would let you play along once you got some basic tunes down. I have some old recordings of the Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra that are a gold mine of such tunes.

As for the sheet music vs. ear debate, I've found that a great advantage of learning music notation is that I can write down the tunes I create myself. Most of the tunes I've written I've forgotten in a matter of months or even weeks, no matter how good they were, unless they were song settings. It's a surreal experience having to sight-reading through your own music, and not even recalling that you wrote it!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Artful Codger
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 06:36 PM

"Sally Goodin": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE1-rbi9Y2M
(Well, the basic tune is simple; the rest is just cruelty to aspiring fiddlers.)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM

These ideas are great. Thanks so much everyone. Each post, I can add to a list.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: Tootler
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 07:53 PM

Get hold of a copy of Mally's "Easy Peasy Tunes". Good selection of tunes starting with very simple ones and gradually progressing. Most of the later ones are good session material.

Click here for more info.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 10:49 PM

Southwind
Fanny Power
The Ashgrove
King of the Fairies
Boys of Bluehill


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: PHJim
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 01:04 AM

I understand how standard notation and tablature work, but I can't seem to make any sense of abc format. Is there anywhere that I can find an explanation ?


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 04:33 AM

http://abcnotation.com/learn


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Please suggest easy fiddle tunes
From: PHJim
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 06:32 AM

Thanks Jon. That`s just what I was after.


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