Wimbledon 2011 UK

Subject: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 02:49 AM

Do we really want the spectacle of ladies (who have forgotten they are ladies) behaving like gorillas?????

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 02:58 AM

Explain?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 03:07 AM

Ditto Explain?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 03:13 AM

Gorilla = gentle, caring, maternal, sociable and apparently found in the mist.

Sports players = dedicted, focussed, behaving as you do when concentrating.

Sorry Bozo, I find it difficult to follow what the hell you are saying without reading sexist misogynist diatribe. It isn't time for your medication again is it?



To everybody else, Venus was in the best match up to yet the other day, wasn't she?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM

Good heavens, a choice of disagreeing with Bozo, or disagreeing with Mr Fluids but not both at the same time.

Bozo seems to think that "ladies" should behave like Victorian heroines, glow but never sweat, become faint under stress, and be devoid of physical power. And there is something of a hint of racism, in that he seems to liken the Williams sisters to gorillas.

Sorry, Mr Fluids, I'm going to have to agree with you, although I'd rather you said "medicine" than used the Americanism "medication".

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 03:26 AM

The match yesterday between Li Na and Sabine Lisicki was brilliant and notably devoid of grunting...

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 04:31 AM

"Defending Wimbledon champion Serena Williams complains about her court assignment Thursday, when she and Simona Halep were put on Court 2, the third most important court at Wimbledon behind Centre Court and Court 1. Wimbledon only plays three matches per day on both Centre Court and Court 1, and traditionally plays four men's matches and only two women's matches.

On Thursday, Roland Garros champion Li Na was scheduled to face Sabine Lisicki on Centre Court, while Maria Sharapova was set to face British teenager Laura Robson on Court 1. Serena's older sister, five-time Wimbledon champion Venus, has also taken issue with the All England Tennis Club over the issue in the past.

"They like to put us on Court 2, me and Venus, for whatever reason," said Serena, who defeated Haelp in three sets. "I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe one day we'll figure it out. But obviously they're not gonna change. [The men's defending champions] are never moved across. Actually, Venus and I have won more Wimbledons together than a lot of the players, or by ourselves in doubles even. Like I said, they're not going to change, doesn't look like.""

If it's not screaming and grunting from some, it's paranoia from others, apparently.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 04:38 AM

Agree with Kitty re Li Na & Lisicki, but thought Li might have been a bit more gracious in defeat. Obviously she was going to be disappointed; but she might have raised a smile and uttered a congratulatory word rather than the perfunctory handshake & otherwise ignoral she treated her victrix to.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 04:45 AM

Happy you are agreeing with Mr Fluids, whoever he is. Hope M'Unlearned Friend is not agreeing with me too, or I may have to alter my stance on this.

Glad you liked the use of the term medication. It is the term of reference in The UK. Doubt it has reached Kent yet, but as it is used in UK healthcare including (at the top of the list) The British National Formulary, as well as in every reference I know of in guidelines from Dept of Health, The Academy of Royal Colleges and every arms length body publication...

Oh, and if you know any real solicitors, ask them to look up The Health and Social Care Act 2008, and especially the Regulated Activity Regulations 2010. The guidance for compliance (I have a copy open on my computer, as I use it most days) has, on a word search, 863 occurrences.

I write papers that are published on the subject and as such I use four style guides; DH itself, CQC, HCC and CSCI. Guess what?



Sorry, back to gonzo, bozo or whatever.

Kitty, I may have to come slightly off the fence and admit as a bloke, I didn't mind the grunting.... (Get me coat etc.)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:43 AM

The only thing I find missing these days at Wimbledon are the personalities that we had back then. I actually miss the grunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:54 AM

Yes, Fluids, I can take you to plenty of linguistic solecisms in statutes. One actually mixed up "proscribed" and "prescribed".

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:53 AM

I stopped watching Wimbledon when Lew Hoad turned professional!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:54 AM

Such silly scoring too. Thank goodness for polo.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:31 AM

Gorillas playing tennis would be much more entertaining than the present day contingent of ladies or gentlemen.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:11 AM

Couldn't agree more, and all the fuss that goes with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Manfred
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM

I thought my wife had taken up tennis when she called out "New balls please" sadly it was the guy from the garage in the town she was talking about. I enjoy Wimbledon, you may find this link more to your taste Richard.


http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/woman-with-worlds-largest-breasts.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:33 AM

I enjoy, Cartier, Veuve Cliquot Cup etc

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:34 AM

Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup I should say!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:40 AM

Clearly, Manfred, you don't know me at all - nor have you ever seen the Spam email about taking up watching tennis that circulated a couple of years back.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:44 AM

'Tis a pity that the telly no longer has an OFF button.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:57 AM

We in UK NEED Wimbledon ! No Wimbledon fortnight would probably mmean Drought conditions over the South East !

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:32 PM

What delightfully quaint arguments!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 01:04 PM

I enjoy Wimbledon, so bonzo feck off

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 01:21 PM

You live in the ROI, and can watch it without paying a licence fee to the BBC. Not fair, say I.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 02:13 PM

I enjoy Wimbledon and for a fortnight a year am the world's leading authority on tennis, to the point of being a pub bore.

Of course, the the other 50 weeks of the year, I forget tennis exists...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:07 PM

Good heavens, Mither, really?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:35 PM

I don't mind it being on tv for a fortnight but I hope none of our players (probably only Andy Murray) win a final. I don't want the "endless" media coverage that would produce.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM

Yeah, the other 50 weeks of the year I refer to it as "association" tennis and spout bollocks about how it is a force for bad.

zzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:04 AM

I see Murry is in the last 16. I'll be rooting for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:05 AM

Murray.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:08 AM

Root for both of them g

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:12 PM

Tunesmith: you clearly go back further than me, but I recall my coach (also an early coach of a far-better player - Tod Woodbridge) saying Lew Hoad's volleying skills would have been more than a match for the passing shots of Borg.

Also, as I've said in prose, females should, rather, play TABLE tennis as it puts far less stress on the racket-arm - Tennis Tips to Try

And, more generally, in verse - Musing on Wimbledon

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: skipy
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 02:46 PM

I would rather eat my own spleen than watch it!
Before I was self employed we used to go abroad just to miss it.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 02:50 PM

Why eat your own, when there is an abundance of spleen going free, on Mudcat?

Subject: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 03:26 PM

I have felt for quite some time that there are not any characters anymore in tennis. Everything is so serious.

So today I watched the Baghdatis v Djokovic third round match.

How bloody refreshing to see a character in the game. Baghdatis fought like a dog but smiled and showed he was enjoying himself.

He lost in the end, but he had all the crowd behind him.

Such a refreshing change to watching such boring people like Murray (even though he is an excellent player and I hope he wins the competition).

It would be lovely if we could see a few players coming through with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi and people like them.

That was the first match so far where I have thoroughly enjoyed the match.

Great stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

And tennis makes such a change from damn team games.
But I agree about the nonentities.

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 04:39 PM

Then there's clicket. Or cricket. Or hoppers. Or whatever they call it. Thank the gods that be that it's foreign to North America.

My favorite is Sharapova, although she can't seem to get to the finals any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM

I hate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:25 PM

What about basketball, Q?!...one has to be 6'6'' to have any chance of a getting a guernsey!...or, it seems, Sharapova for that matter. ;-)>

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:49 PM

I agree that some humour is good, Arther, but for me entertainment in tennis comes mainly from good rallies/shotmaking, and the good scoring system itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:55 PM

Not so... a shortass Canuck won MVP a while back. He ain't but 6'3".

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 06:41 PM

"I hate it."

Glad I got out of bed today. Otherwise, I might have never known that. Thanks for taking the time to click on this thread and post that. Made my day to hear your angst.

WTF???

Go make yerself a cup a tea and chill fer fuck sake. Watch some world class atheletes compete in a demanding sport maybe. BTW, is there a TV channel for your sport of bitching and moaning and whining for absolutely no fucking reason to the detriment and time wasting of those who like the sport to which this thread is clearly TITLED, that you opened for no other reason than to get pissed off about?

GO MURRAY!

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:13 PM

Feck me I agree with Bonzo.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:28 PM

Another person taking time out of a busy schedule to waste their time and our time. How fuckin delightful. How inane. Why do people go out of their way to be inane and rude to others? Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:42 PM

I should rather see the game played cheerfully, but seriously with the intention of winning ~ so I much enjoyed and admired Baghdatis. Those who distract from the purpose of the game by going out of their way to curry the crowd's favour by being "personalities" and "cards" and "characters", with irrelevant clowning and misplaced time-wasting would-be humour (above-named Nastase was the prime example IMO), get on my nerves...

... as, I agree with gnu, do conceited egotists who log on to threads on topics they hate, purely to inform us of that world-shatteringly interesting & important fact: they are an entire waste of space & time.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 12:40 AM

Blimey, I never expected it to get nasty! If you don't like Baghdatis or the way he performd or behaves on court, that's fine, discuss. If you don't like tennis, why bother to post at all.

All I was saying was that I enjoyed the match (don't normally enjoy many matches in the first week as they are too one sided). It was one of those matches where the underdog almost sneaked it and fought hard right up to the end.

Looking forward to the next week very much. It certainly would be very nice to see Murray get into the final and if at all possible, win. Helps detract from all the shit things that go on in this world.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:03 AM

"Then there's clicket. Or cricket. Or hoppers. Or whatever they call it. Thank the gods that be that it's foreign to North America."

And you'll be glad to know that it always will be. As there's a requirement for at least two functioning brain cells to understand its rules, and an attention-span exceeding that of a goldfish to watch a game, it's entirely unsuitable for North Americans. That's why North America has the greatly-simplified and shortened version of cricket known as Baseball (or as we call it here, "Cricket for The Brainless").

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Wille
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 03:19 AM

I'd go a bit further Backwoodsman and remind our former subjects from the colonies that what they call baseball we call rounders and restrict it to little girls in the school playground.

Mind you, cricket has, since Murdoch took over the televising, one aspect the cousins would like. Lots of scope for adverts between overs.

And whilst we are getting it off our Albion chest, rugby players don't need body armour and when we say football we mean a real game.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Bugsy
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 04:28 AM

If you don't like it, watch something else. It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same thing.
Believe it or not, I even know of people who don't like Folk Music!

CHeers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 04:43 AM

Aye, and some of them STILL go to folk clubs....

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 05:29 AM

Yes I know what you mean Ian. Sometimes I feel awkward when my singing interrupts their inane conversations.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:02 AM

…….with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi…….

I would leave McEnroe out of that list. He was just a spoilt brat. And if you think today's players are boring, just listen to John McEnroe in the commentary box. I can feel a yawn coming on just thinking about him.


DC

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:24 AM

LOL Yes I suppose you are right about that Doug. :-)

Are you coming to this, Doug on July 3rd?

http://www.faldingworthlive.co.uk/

Les Worrall

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:38 AM

Agreed re McEnroe, Doug [& see above for my views on the facetiously fatuous Nastase]. Johnny Mack WILL talk on into the rally; he appears to suffer from the delusion that we have all switched on for the express purpose of listening to him talk... & this has had the baLEFUL EFFECT OF INFLUENCING SOME OTHERS WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER ~~ BOTH BECKER & HENMAN TEND TO FORGET TO STOP WITTERING WHEN PLAY RECOMMENCES; A TREND, I REPEAT, STARTED BY McE.

apologies for caps-lock. Lousy typing, not shouting!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: GUEST,Jim McLean
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:11 AM

Writing in Saturday's Guardian, Simon Hoggart asks "Why don't we love Andy Murray?" He continues that Murray doesn't realise sport is show business and that he should smile at the audience when they "whoop" as he changes his shirt. I don't know who Hoggart thinks "we" are when making such an arrogant, presumptuous statement, Guardian readers? English Guardian readers? Those who shout "Tim" when he's playing? David Haye, the London professional boxer is a friend of Murray's, should probably pay Hoggart a house call.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

Important to note that McEnroe's antics were right in front of ballKIDS.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:38 PM

True. They probably went home and tried it on their parents.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM

Hi Arthur

As a sports enthusiast I like most sporting occasions.

While tennis was not one of the sports that I played much I do enjoy to see the top people play and show off their skills.

I enjoyed Baghdatis too. He made a good match entertaining with resorting to the antics as discussed bt Michael above.

I admire Federer with his great skills and almost laid back attitude. In contrast Nadal's physical approach has me sometimes in awe.

There have been some excellent women's tennis this time with the matches being much more closely contested than years ago.

You know that if you don't like something.....it's easy just switch it off and do something else....

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 04:37 PM

Baghdatis sounds like a disease if the male genitalia.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 05:32 PM

I have never played Tennis Mike, but I love watching it and understand the rules.

pdq LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:55 AM

Every now and then I have to remind myself that the only people that some Brits dislike more than Americans is themselves. :/

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 04:09 AM

The abilty to self criticise, is not one shared by all nations, or even people Ebbie.
In some countries, obfuscation is a national sport ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 07:38 AM

Every now and then I have to remind myself that the only people that some Brits dislike more than Americans is themselves. :/

Not me Ebbie, I love the Brits most of all. And I love the Canucks almost as much. I even love the Yanks, despite their inability to understand games whose rules permit a drawn result, and their alarmingly short attention span. I even love Alaskans, dammit-all!   :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 07:41 AM

And anyway, the Brits didn't start it, a North American (apparently) did! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:29 AM

Sharapova is on court 2 right now, and far from grunting is actually screaming.

Cooking doesn't get better than this....

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:36 AM

"Every now and then I have to remind myself that the only people that some Brits dislike more than Americans is themselves. :/"

I wouldn't worry Ebbie. These people tend to be the sort that have never been to the country and know rag all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:51 AM

I love the way the inhabitants of the British Isles delicately assassinate one other with clever prose and catty little nicknames. It makes entertaining reading on a slow day. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:54 AM

"I would rather eat my own spleen than watch it!"

An odd choice, skipy! How does one watch one's own spleen? ;-)

Subject: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:21 AM

What a great performance from Andy Murray. Through to the quarter final. He bowed to the love couple.

Subject: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:26 AM

Well that was a nice turn up for the books.

Well done Marion.

Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:53 AM

The love couple? Were Cameron and Cleggy in the crowd?

Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:59 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Acorn4
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM

You get the feeling that he could do it if things go right and he can avoid the ghost of Tim Henman!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:04 PM

"These people tend to be the sort that have never been to the country and know rag all about it."

Wrong again, Moriarty!
That's to say, you're wrong in my case - if you actually knew me, and my background, you'd realise how wrong you are, Jack. :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:16 PM

Cricket's rules are less complex than those of North American Football. Which is the most popular televised sport here. And if you don't know why Football players need more padding than Rugby players, you need some schooling in elementary physics. Or you need to play rugby with a forward pass and a player hanging back, building up a head of steam for the hit like a free safety.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Blimey, the other williams goes out as well. Well done Pironkova.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:34 PM

You are starting too many Wimbledon threads. That is just my opinion of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

e wont be god enough on his second serve to win wimbledon, my money is on djokovic

Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM

above should read he wont be good enough

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:35 PM

Unnecessary duplication of threads, number Forty-seven thousand and six hundred sixty-six.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:27 PM

Okay mudelfs please join them together :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:28 PM

What Mudelf has joined together, let no man put asunder

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:29 PM

usunder?

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:04 PM

Fifty demerits to those who post unnecessary threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:39 PM

Well thats a debatable point Q.

If you dpon'yt like a subject, you don't post. Wimbledon is a hot topic in England for those that like tennis and as this is BS, that is acceptable. Far better than the aggressive threads that appear below.

However, in fairness it would be better just to have a thread Wimbledon 2011 UK

I'll get me net.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 04:57 PM

Its not just fairness, its convenience to the reader. Making your comments more accessible and better organized, leading to them being seen in a more favorable light.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Veronica Rutledge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM

I find it shocking!!!!!...yes, shocking that people actually born in Great Britain would be so mean-minded and utterly stupid as to criticize and attack Wimbledon! What is the matter with you? You must be some kind of anarchist revolutionary radical socialist fear-mongering half-wits to attack one of our great traditions in sport this way. I hope you all get arrested and subjected to waterboarding or electrocution or some other hideous form of interrogation. Now I know why they've put those little cameras up all over the country. They're keeping an eye on YOU.

As for the rest of you, meaning those who weren't born in Great Britain, just go away! We don't need your ill-informed advice.

- Veronica

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:39 PM

Sorry Jack the Sailor, I don't quite understand your dig regarding rugby and football?

Football players don't wear padding, other than shin pads.

Rugby players don't need padding because they (we, many years ago) are men. Some league players wear head straps but league is rugby for people who might get hurt in a rook and are unsure of their sexuality.

I recall paying rounders as a child. If you want to discuss that, I may be able to remember the rules. I also recall you guys call it baseball.

Wimbledon is a great leveller because it is a sport we can agree on. Your players tend to be better than ours too.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:50 PM

A word of caution Willie. Pretend ignorance too many times and people will believe that you are not pretending.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:56 PM

try this without padding

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 07:01 PM

I googled rugby collisions and got this...soooo manly!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 07:29 PM

"Rugby players don't need padding because they (we, many years ago) are men."

Ohhhh... so many times have I tried on so many threads to educate you Brits...

Yankee football is played by VERY large men at HIGH speed in BURSTS as per JtS's posted link. Each and every play is at TOP speed. Far more speed than your average rugby game (which I LOVE to watch).

As far as rugby being played by "men", why do some of them wear helmets, ear protectors, cups... give it up eh? Yankee football is a far better game because it is about a game of chess and physical prowess far more than rugby and CERTAINLY involves the fans FAR more than rugby.

Having said all that, as I have said MANY times before in this forum, I adore rugby, football, cricket... and so on. But, Yankee football is the ultimate physical sport short of warfare.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 07:33 PM

Opps... ultimate physical contact sport... squash is far more physically demanding. Yellow dot, of course... blue dot and the rest are for pussies.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:08 PM

I think boxing is the most demanding if the match is even.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:05 PM

CERTAINLY involves the fans FAR more than rugby.

Sends me to sleep. And I'm afraid putting any 11 of (apparently) up to 53 players on for a play and taking what seems to be ages to discuss tactics for the play is not my idea of a game,

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:37 PM

It's clear that many Brits prefer games sans strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:21 AM

It's not that with me Jack. It's taking time out at regular intervals to discuss it during the game and the changing of so many players to carry out the move.

Of course if I had my own way in any team game, once on the field, the players are on their own to get on with the game and the only reason for substitution would be injury...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:07 AM

Yeah, I know, strategy, run around like crazy, kick the ball to the open man, try to kick it in the net. Strategy right?

Have a whole bunch of men hug each other, toss the ball in, try to get it out to the open man who runs like crazy, trying to toss it to the open man if he gets tackled. Strategy right?

Have little stick on three larger sticks. Try to knock the little stick off the big ones while some goombah tries to whack that ball so that he can run like crazy between the sticks. The only choices being where to stand on the field and how hard to whack the ball. Strategy right?

My two favorites spectator sports, Ice Hockey and North American Football employ lots of substitutions, which makes for better action. and lots of strategy. If I want to watch an endurance test, I'll watch a marathon, or the FANs at a cricket match.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, I know, strategy, run around like crazy, kick the ball to the open man, try to kick it in the net. Strategy right?

And which formation might you be adopting, Jack...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:15 AM

Have little stick on three larger sticks. Try to knock the little stick off the big ones while some goombah tries to whack that ball so that he can run like crazy between the sticks. The only choices being where to stand on the field and how hard to whack the ball. Strategy right?

How's about there being fast bowlers, spin bowlers, specialist batsmen, even specialist fielders.

If one could adopt the American Football way, I guess for example when the new ball is taken, the batting side could discuss what they are to do, substitute the existing batsmen for specialist openers best suited for the bombardment of fast bowling... And the player selected purely for his bowling skills need never bat, etc.?

No thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:19 AM

And Jack, how would you set the field in cricket?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:21 AM

trying Cricket link again

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:08 AM

If one could adopt the American Football way, I guess for example when the new ball is taken, the batting side could discuss what they are to do, substitute the existing batsmen for specialist openers best suited for the bombardment of fast bowling... And the player selected purely for his bowling skills need never bat, etc.?

If you did that you would see the best against the best. But it still would be just a big flat easy to swing stick and a little easy to hit ball that they have to bounce off the ground. Easy Peasy. OOOOH he can Spin the BALL before he bounces on the dirt!! Whoopeee! Can he throw a perfect spiral 70 yards into the hand of his receiver while avoiding the greedy hands of double coverage, I think not.

And it is not as if soccer players STAY in those formations. They run around like ants on a hill trying to get open. But even then, they pace themselves, making the game even less organized and more boring because they have to stay out there for a whole game. I'd rather see someone go full out for a few seconds at a time then "pace himself" for more than an hour.

And don't talk about formations. Football formations have so many rules and permutations that College graduates have failed in the NFL because they were not able to learn the playbook. It ain't like that in Soccer where the whole playbook is run up and down the field, try to find the open man and by head or foot try to put it in the net.

Oh yeah, and if someones feet comes near yours fall to the grass and cry like a baby! The only strategy is "football" when to take a dive!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:10 AM

???

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:14 AM

The only strategy in "football" when to take a dive!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:17 AM

Football Strategy

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:27 AM

The only strategy in "football" when to take a dive!!

Whatever...

Football Strategy

That doesn't explain why they seem to need to stop and discuss it so often or why it seems to be so convoluted that so many changes in personnel can be needed for each play.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:59 AM

They don't discuss it except on a playground. In organized football from peewee to pro. It is the chess game that Gnu was talking about. There are literally hundred of different offensive options on each play, dozens of ways to defend. Coaches call the offensive plays (sometimes, but rarely quarterback call plays or change them in the huddle depending on defensive formation). Defensive coaches try to put the right players on the team to counter the offense they see. Then the players skills are put to the test. There is a few seconds of furious action and they set up to do it again.

The contest between the linemen on each team alone is far more complex than any other team sport I can think of. And it is not just a chess game. It is a poker game too. While there are feints and dekes of one sort or another in Cricket, rugby and Soccer, it is all on the individual level. In football there are bluffs, feints and tricks at every position and all over the field carried out on a tactical and strategic level on at least 1/4 of the plays. There is no way they could talk this out and discuss this strategy in 25 seconds in college or 45 seconds in the NFL, the time that they have from the time the ball is set to when they have to snap the ball to start the next play.

You may have gathered that I was kidding about cricket, rugby and soccer, in my previous posts, just goofing around really. I amused myself. But I have been taught how to play cricket and have played rugby, soccer,ice hockey and North American Football. Football is way more complex. Whether it is better for the fans is hard to say. I would say that depends upon the fan. I like the speed of Hockey and the complexity of Football. But I also like to watch soccer, especially the way the Brazilians play it. On the other hand, I would rather watch paint dry than the Germans play soccer.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:19 AM

Whether it is better for the fans is hard to say. I would say that depends upon the fan.

I guess that is a point we can agree on...


But I also like to watch soccer, especially the way the Brazilians play it. On the other hand, I would rather watch paint dry than the Germans play soccer.

I actually found Germany quite entertaining during the last World Cup and I don't remember being that impressed with Brazil that time round but yes I know what you mean. My own football watching memories go back to 1970 and the Brazilian World Cup side. You can imagine who us (UK) kids wanted to play like...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:27 AM

Hello sailor!

You are right, keep saying something and people may just believe it.

Hold that thought.

I have a passion akin to religion for football, or at least the irrational side of me comes out when I am on the kop at Hillsborough.

Football and cricket, I wonder why I enjoy them? Must be the strategy I suppose....

I was invited to an American football game by a colleague once when we were working in Chicago. To be honest, his having to explain so much as it went on would be no different to me taking him to a cricket match, except my attention span is better than Brads

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:45 AM

Thank goodness we've established that it's Wimbledon UK, and not Wimbledon Venezuela.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:20 AM

LOL RD

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:25 AM

As a matter of world importance, ALL sport is insignificant.
Cease spending money on sport, make it all amateur, and give the money saved, to your grateful government.
Then they can spend it on important things, like subjugating other countries, stealing their oil, and forcing an un-natural (to them) way of running those countries.
YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY Let's hear it for forced democracy and shock and awe.
Oh and I forgot, they can use it to buy elections at home too!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:38 AM

The truth is that, whatever our nationality, we're comfortable with the sports that are traditional to our home nation, that we're brought up with, and learn to play right through childhood and school years. So Brits (as a general rule) prefer football ('soccer' in Americanese), rugby (both codes, just as good as each other but in different ways) and cricket (the king of team sports), whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.

It's natural to feel that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:29 AM

cricket (the king of team sports)
Not all kings are worth your time.
Like George III or Louis Quatorze?
I find Cricket matches much to long to hold my attention, 2 or three hours at a time is my max.

>>whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.<<


Note that I was born and raised nominally in Canada.
I saw my first NFL Game In University when I was 17 or 18 years old. You are never too old to learn this great game. On the other hand if the lockout happens this year I may get pissed off and stop watching the sport altogether like I did with Major League Baseball.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:32 AM

Its one of the few annual events you can describe in one word. With Carnival you have to say the city. Even "The Masters" is two words.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:36 AM

">>whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.<<

Note that I was born and raised nominally in Canada."

Amounts to the same thing. You're heavily influenced by the USA and its culture - hell, you even talk like 'Murricans! :-) :-)

Bound to happen when you're next-door neighbours.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:41 AM

What are you talking aboot?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Stu
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:43 AM

"That's to say, you're wrong in my case - if you actually knew me, and my background, you'd realise how wrong you are, Jack. :-) :-)"

Actually I didn't mean you BWM as you'd made you position clear in a previous post. I was, however making an appalling generalisation about my fellow countrymen in order to reassure Ebbie.

Tennis, like golf is a unremittingly boring sport. Give me football (the real one not the American one) any day of the week. And Formula 1. And whelk tickling.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM

Dwile flonking rule OK!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:39 AM

Wimbledon more than half over! Better!

Subject: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:58 AM

This thread is for tennis fans to post on, concerning anything about Wimbledon Tennis. If you dpon't like tennis, please don't bother to post on this thread.

If the Mudcat Mods could move my previous threads to this one, It would be most appreciated.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Will Fly en vacances à Arcachon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:09 AM

Canal+ prefers to cover matches with French players in them. They must have enjoyed Gasquet being beaten by Murray yesterday...

Vive les Rosbifs!

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:18 AM

Post's from my previous threads. So do not need the elves to merge those threads. They can be deleted.

Subject: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:26 AM

Well that was a nice turn up for the books.

Well done Marion.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Blimey, the other williams goes out as well. Well done Pironkova.

Subject: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:21 AM

What a great performance from Andy Murray. Through to the quarter final. He bowed to the love couple.
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Sugarfoot Jack - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:53 AM

The love couple? Were Cameron and Cleggy in the crowd?
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:59 AM

LOL
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Acorn4 - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM

You get the feeling that he could do it if things go right and he can avoid the ghost of Tim Henman!
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Good Soldier Schweik - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

e wont be god enough on his second serve to win wimbledon, my money is on djokovic
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Good Soldier Schweik - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM

above should read he wont be good enough

Subject: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 03:26 PM

I have felt for quite some time that there are not any characters anymore in tennis. Everything is so serious.

So today I watched the Baghdatis v Djokovic third round match.

How bloody refreshing to see a character in the game. Baghdatis fought like a dog but smiled and showed he was enjoying himself.

He lost in the end, but he had all the crowd behind him.

Such a refreshing change to watching such boring people like Murray (even though he is an excellent player and I hope he wins the competition).

It would be lovely if we could see a few players coming through with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi and people like them.

That was the first match so far where I have thoroughly enjoyed the match.

Great stuff.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Wolfhound person - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

And tennis makes such a change from damn team games.
But I agree about the nonentities.

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:49 PM

I agree that some humour is good, Arther, but for me entertainment in tennis comes mainly from good rallies/shotmaking, and the good scoring system itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Doug Chadwick - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:02 AM

…….with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi…….

I would leave McEnroe out of that list. He was just a spoilt brat. And if you think today's players are boring, just listen to John McEnroe in the commentary box. I can feel a yawn coming on just thinking about him.


DC
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:24 AM

LOL Yes I suppose you are right about that Doug. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MtheGM - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:38 AM

Agreed re McEnroe, Doug [& see above for my views on the facetiously fatuous Nastase]. Johnny Mack WILL talk on into the rally; he appears to suffer from the delusion that we have all switched on for the express purpose of listening to him talk... & this has had the baLEFUL EFFECT OF INFLUENCING SOME OTHERS WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER ~~ BOTH BECKER & HENMAN TEND TO FORGET TO STOP WITTERING WHEN PLAY RECOMMENCES; A TREND, I REPEAT, STARTED BY McE.

apologies for caps-lock. Lousy typing, not shouting!

~M~
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: GUEST,Jim McLean - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:11 AM

Writing in Saturday's Guardian, Simon Hoggart asks "Why don't we love Andy Murray?" He continues that Murray doesn't realise sport is show business and that he should smile at the audience when they "whoop" as he changes his shirt. I don't know who Hoggart thinks "we" are when making such an arrogant, presumptuous statement, Guardian readers? English Guardian readers? Those who shout "Tim" when he's playing? David Haye, the London professional boxer is a friend of Murray's, should probably pay Hoggart a house call.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

Important to note that McEnroe's antics were right in front of ballKIDS.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:38 PM

True. They probably went home and tried it on their parents.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MikeL2 - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM

Hi Arthur

As a sports enthusiast I like most sporting occasions.

While tennis was not one of the sports that I played much I do enjoy to see the top people play and show off their skills.

I enjoyed Baghdatis too. He made a good match entertaining with resorting to the antics as discussed bt Michael above.

I admire Federer with his great skills and almost laid back attitude. In contrast Nadal's physical approach has me sometimes in awe.

There have been some excellent women's tennis this time with the matches being much more closely contested than years ago.

You know that if you don't like something.....it's easy just switch it off and do something else....

Cheers

MikeL2
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: pdq - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 04:37 PM

Baghdatis sounds like a disease if the male genitalia.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 05:32 PM

I have never played Tennis Mike, but I love watching it and understand the rules.

pdq LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:42 AM

"Actually I didn't mean you BWM as you'd made you position clear in a previous post. I was, however making an appalling generalisation about my fellow countrymen in order to reassure Ebbie.

Tennis, like golf is a unremittingly boring sport. Give me football (the real one not the American one) any day of the week. And Formula 1. And whelk tickling."

Thanks SJ, appreciate that.
I do agree with your second paragraph - golf is a fat old man's pastime masquerading as 'sport'. It's makes me cringe to see kids with golf bags - they should be playing football and cricket, or rowing, and they should leave the golf until they're too old and shagged out to do anything else. I love F1 too, and whelks are to die for (as food, that is - never tried tickling the little buggers!). :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:04 AM

Watch out for those English rugby girls, Jack! They will kick yer little ass right back to Newfoundland... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:11 AM

Hello Sailor!

You tried educating us about strategy a bit earlier on, and then you say you can't handle cricket for more than 2 hours.

Says it all really. (I was too old to learn your "great game" whilst I was still on the tit. Anyway, George III was a great King, for your lot at any rate. If he hadn't been two coronets short of a coronation, the New World County Council would still be applying to London to sort out planning disputes.

Oh, I saw a T shirt in Vancouver the other year that sums up the difference between Canadians and USA citizens rather well. Canadian {noun} Unarmed American with healthcare.

Anyway, I suppose interest in Wimbledon on the other side of the pond has gone away for another year. All the women quarter finalists are European.

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:14 AM

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Don't worry Jack, you lot will more than make up for it with hundreds of 'US Presidential Election-Bollocks' threads over the next 18 months or so.

Your OTT election shenannigans piss us off even more than Wimbledon pisses you off. :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:16 AM

Oops! Silly old bugger - forgot the quote! Here:-

"You are starting too many Wimbledon threads. That is just my opinion of course."

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:32 AM

:-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:48 AM

Enjoyed the match between Lisicki vs Bartoli. Bartoli ran out of steam in the third set.

Sharapova playing now and I am so fed up of her squeeling every time she plays a shot. Turned it off until she has finished.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:53 AM

"Canadian {noun} - Unarmed American with healthcare."

LOL!!!!! Not bad. We also know how to pronounce "nuclear" (new-clear) and we don't say "aaaooooowwwtttt", we say "out".

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:19 PM

Most chimpanzees would agree that vigorous grunting is advantageous when engaging in physical exploits such as tennis.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:15 PM

Yeah but she's on fire... too soon to peak maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:27 PM

Yes I know Gnu, but it sounds more like somebody having an orgasm. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:32 PM

How can it be cheating when they all do it?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:03 AM

At the request of Arthur_itis, I combined all the Wimbledon messages to avoid duplication.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:15 AM

Joe - going forward, could you combine all the inevitable multiplicity of 'US Presidential Election' threads into one thread please. Then we only have one thread to avoid like the plague, instead of dozens.

---

Well, I try to keep things to one current thread on any given topic, without being overly restrictive. It's hard for people to talk about Sarah Palin and Barack Obama in one thread..
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:47 AM

Arthur itis.. You turned down the sound so you couldn't hear her grunting?

Must be a sign of old age.

Me? I turn the sound up.... (Get me coat etc)

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:57 AM

Willie, are you saying you turn the sound up to listen to these young ladies grunting, watch them take a break to wipe the sweat of their bodies and then requset new balls ?

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:08 PM

Hmmmmm, My suggestion seems to have created a monster, unreadable thread.

I perhaps should have been more detailed in my critique. What I found redundant was the starting of a new thread simply to report one or two matches at Wimbledon.   

I also thought that the lack of discussion on these threads was telling.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:52 PM

Well you made the comments JTS and I agree. That is why I asked. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't :-) You can't have it all ways JtS.

Great win today for Tsong.

Great win for Murray (slaughtered his oponnent again)

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:12 PM

Murray is peaking at the very best time... Nadal is gonna be tough and I will be glued to the TV if we get to see it here.

Djokovic and Murray in the final I assume... well, hope.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:20 PM

Arthur, I am not criticizing you now, I wasn't then. I liked your suggestion of having a Wimbledon 2011 UK where you could report your results and talk about the games.

I think that combining that with someone else's "Nearly half over" thread was .... unfortunate.

I'm pretty sure wanting to talk about the game and celebrating that the tournament will end soon, are in most people's minds, two separate topics.

That speaks to Backwoodsmans request of combining all of the US Presidential Election threads in one place. Obama's trouble turning around the Economy is certainly a different topic from Romney's Mormonism, which is different from Palin's celebrity, which is different from Bachman's lunacy, which is different from Rand Paul's lunacy... etc.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:27 PM

Ok understand JtS. At least it now a thread for people who like Wimbledon and want to talk about it :-)

In fairness to Backwoodsman and many English people, politics in America and the backstabbing that goes on is all one boring subject for us and having one thread would be an excellent idea. I know we don't understand the Americans or vice versa :-). What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:38 PM

>>>Ok understand JtS. At least it now a thread for people who like Wimbledon and want to talk about it :-)<<

Well now you have the thread that was for talking about Wimbledon combined with the the thread for those who wish it was almost over.

This was Joe's doing, for the life of me I don't understand why. I guess he just did a keyword search.

In fairness to Backwoodsman myself, I see no problem with him asking to have the threads all combined. I am just saying why I don't think they should be.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:31 PM

Because most Brits are as bored shitless with your Show-Biz Razamatazz of an Election as you appear to be with our major tennis championship (in fact, the tennis championship that is regarded by most, players and fans alike, as the world's major championship).

As Arthur says, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - you don't want multiple 'Wimbledon' threads, and that's fine. I don't want multiple US Presidential Election threads clogging up the BS section either.

That's all.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:47 PM

Clogging up? You do realize that the section expands to cover all current threads?

I am not bored with Wimbledon. I was frustrated to have to open up different threads with essentially the same thing. Don't call me bored when I am being lazy.

Now I am frustrated to see all of the Anti-Wimbledon and pro Wimbledon stuff on the same thread, now being combined with anti-discussionism.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:00 PM

Well, here's a thought... talk TENNIS on THIS thread fer goodness sake! Start ANOTHER thread abot OTHER issues. I am tired of reading about moderating "issues" on a TENNIS thread. THAT is a waste of my time.

It's almost 5PM... thank goodness. I have had an exasperating day.

TENNIS ANYONE?

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:12 PM

Yes indeed GUEST. Well said.

So Murray versus Nadal next. What are the bookies ofefering for Murray. He seems pretty hot at the moment. Is this going to be his golden chance. Do wish he would get a shave.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:59 PM

GUEST was me. Tossed my cookie.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:09 PM

I am sorry, but the pro and anti Wimbledon threads have been combined and since I pointed out that the Pro threads should be combined I do not think it is my place to start a new one.

Why don't you start new threads Gnu? We will make this one the talk about tennis thread so all we need is a Mock Wimbledon thread and a thread to talk about the necessity of Wimbledon threads thread.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 07:43 PM

I have never seen movement and raw innate physical and forceful strategy like Djokovic displayed today on a tennis court although I have seen some in the past that came close.

I have seen such prowess on a squash court but these tall skinny guys couldn't play squash worth crap for the most part. I do like the competition but it ain't squash.

Yeah, thread creep but at least it's not WAY off the thread.

JtS... start yer own tread buddy. Fill yer rubbers eh wha? Pick da bones outta n an see if e can get n down yer troat fer Jesus' sake eh? (Translation fer yer ferriners... what the fuck did I say to piss you off eh!?)

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 07:47 PM

I'm saying that I can't start the thread, If you want separate threads for separate aspects, someone else with have to start them. I nominated you. But I am not pissed off with you and I am not insisting.

As far as thread creep goes, read back a bit. This thread done crept already!

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:00 AM

What has happened to American tennis players? At one time they seemed to dominate.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:27 AM

Agreed, Arthur. Back in 40s-mid70s, there were Americans and Australians; and nobody else but Santana, Kodes, Drobny once each in the Men's ~~ haven't checked Women's but my recollection {Brough, Hart, Connolly, Evett, Smith, Goolagong...} is similar. It all opened out with Borg, but still great Americans around ~~ McEnroe, Connors, Sampras; only Hewitt one-time winner from Oz.

Suddenly now there are few seeds of those 2 nationalities [Roddick, Fish, Williams sisters, Matteck-Sands {who she?!} of US; no men, & Stosur & Gajdosova, only women from Oz (+ ex champion Hewitt & Tomic appearing impressively at 18 y-o)]. But far more Europeans, with Chinese women creeping in, & one of them winning French Open.

Very interesting transformation. What happened, eh?

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:44 AM

Maybe more people internationally started to play Tennis while more good American Athletes gravitated to other sports.

A similar thing seems to be happening among young golfers.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 05:39 AM

Seems to me that two things happened - the fall of the Iron Curtain which gave freedom and the opportunity of financial wherewithal to Eastern European players to participate internationally without the restrictions that were formerly placed on them, and the rest of the world began to follow the examples of the US and Australia in sports training and education.

And it's great!

IMHO, YMMV etc, etc.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 05:41 AM

Oh, and I meant to say "Pax, Jack!". :-)

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 05:50 AM

Interesting how things have changed.

I wonder if the Americans will be anywhere near the top in the Olympics in 2012. (thread drift).

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:17 AM

You bet they will.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 09:06 AM

Yeah, There's money in gold medals and there is a lot less competition in sports other than Tennis. Also the US grants citizenship to world class athletes.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:02 PM

hi

Am I alone in noticing that in this year's Wimbledon there seems to far more challenges to the line-umpires' calls ??

To me it shows that the standard of line calling has deteriorated over the past few years.

After all the judges are only watching one line each and yet there appear to be some many wrong calls.

I know that in cricket when I was playing all umpires were "blind" !!! especially when I was judged lbw but the line judges at the tennis appears to be much worse.

PS just seen it in paper that if Murray gets to final, tickets will be as much as £40,000 each.!!!!!! Guess I won't be going !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:13 PM

"£40,000 each"

That is scandelous Mike.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:38 PM

McGrath... I'll give you a let on the "eh" but next time it'll cost you a point eh. >;-)

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:43 PM

Lefty Liam Broady of Stockport (where Fred Perry was born), in the junior semis, looks a very good player to me.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:55 PM

Damn I missed that.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM

hi arthur

I guess at £40000 there won't be anyone from here to accompany Bonzo.....

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:07 PM

hi WAV

Yes I saw a bit about Liam on our local news last night when he beat the World No 1 junior.

Today he went one better and reached the semi-finals.

like Arthur I missed it.....busy looking after the grandchildren as the schools here were closed because of the teachers involvement in the strike.

Cheers

Mikel2

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 05:09 PM

my money is on djokovic

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 05:46 PM

"my money is on djokovic "

Is he Irish then? :-)

I have a feeling in my water that it just might be Murray's time. Any decent odds on that?

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:56 PM

I wish I hadn't said that. Nadal is playing very well and slowly massacaring Murray.

I think that Nadal will win the final.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:39 PM

murray, a good player but another loser.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:43 PM

Aw, crap!

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:59 PM

Not a loser YET!

He is young and has time to improve, and he is the first player we've had for decades who seems to have the mental strength.

Strangely, it seems to be physical exhaustion which beat him today, and Nadal is both quick and clever with enormous stamina.

I think it's a case of "Watch This Space". It takes years to develop a champion and he's not there yet, but he has those years available.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:16 PM

Murray is 24... he should be at the absolute physical peak by now... he has 4 years at that peak... tops. Perhaps these experiences will pay off.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:59 AM

SNAFU.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 12:31 PM

Huh?

Kvitova is 6' of muscle! And, YTD, earned $1,414,400 USD. I wonder if she wants to go out to dinner this evening???

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:17 PM

murrays, second serve is not good enough, he needs a coach.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:22 PM

kvitova won today because she made afeast of sharipovas weaker second serve

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:34 PM

Gnu, I've heard that some of those tennis ladies amy play for the other team.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:43 PM

may

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:56 PM

Fine with me if she picks up the tab.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:57 PM

Rats...

Fine with me as I play for the same team. We could be team mates.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 03:51 PM

A six 6' Amazon tennis playing wing "man" for a middle aged Canadian! I think we have a new sitcom for CBS. Mike Myers could play you. Kristian Johnson could be the tennis player!

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 03:53 PM

She's okaaay. I spose I could make do.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 11:17 AM

nadal having some luck, 3 at least have his returns have hit the net and crept over

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 11:45 AM

djokovic wins as I predicted, a fine game by both players.

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 11:52 AM

Well there was a 50/50 chance of your being right all along Dick

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 12:47 PM

no, cos i backed him way back, with my money back at the beginning of the tournament, based on knowledge , the knowledge that he had the strongest second serve andthats what wins wimbledon, i dont waste my money on patriotic sentiments

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 01:07 PM

ubject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Good Soldier Schweik - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

e wont be god enough on his second serve to win wimbledon, my money is on djokovic

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 04:40 PM

GO MURRAY!

Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 04:48 PM

On Line Survey I did T'other day asked who was going to win Wombledon - I ticked Federer , and Murray promptly got to the final !!
Glad I didnt hex him with a tick !
Be nice to get TWO Brit winners now we have the mens Doubles