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Common Scots songs 60 years ago

Ana 12 Jul 11 - 01:41 AM
Megan L 12 Jul 11 - 03:05 AM
Jim Lad 12 Jul 11 - 03:26 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 03:28 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 03:31 AM
Little Robyn 12 Jul 11 - 03:33 AM
GUEST,Eliza 12 Jul 11 - 03:37 AM
GUEST,Guest EKanne 12 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 03:50 AM
John MacKenzie 12 Jul 11 - 04:13 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 04:21 AM
Ana 12 Jul 11 - 05:12 AM
Jack Campin 12 Jul 11 - 05:16 AM
bubblyrat 12 Jul 11 - 05:17 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 05:19 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 05:26 AM
Jack Campin 12 Jul 11 - 05:44 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 05:49 AM
Gutcher 12 Jul 11 - 06:49 AM
Ana 12 Jul 11 - 06:58 AM
BobKnight 12 Jul 11 - 07:34 AM
Little Robyn 12 Jul 11 - 07:49 AM
Little Robyn 12 Jul 11 - 07:55 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 11 - 08:14 AM
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Jim McLean 12 Jul 11 - 01:47 PM
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Subject: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:41 AM

I've recently meet a Scottish woman who lives in the same secure dementia unit as my mum. She emigrated to NZ (ex Glasgow) in the late 40s, and was singing (beautifully and word perfect) a song she had learnt at school. I sang her a couple of my Scots songs, but they weren't ones she knew (Busk, busk; Gloomy winter). I'd really like to be better prepared next time, so would appreciate some help! Can folks give me the names of half a dozen names of Scottish songs that would have been common, learnt at school etc in the 1920s-30s. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Megan L
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:05 AM

Ana what a lovely thought you could try I Belong To Glasgow its in digitrad

I BELONG TO GLASGOW
(Will Fyffe)

I've been wi' a couple o' cronies,
One or two pals o' my ain;
We went in a hotel, and we did very well,
And then we came out once again;
Then we went into anither,
And that is the reason I'm fu';
We had six deoch-an-doruses, then sang a chorus,
Just listen, I'll sing it to you:

I belong to Glasgow,
Dear old Glasgow town;
But what's the matter wi' Glasgow,
For it's goin' roun' and roun'!
I'm only a common old working chap,
As anyone here can see,
But when I get a couple o' drinks on a Saturday,
Glasgow belongs to me!

There's nothing in keeping your money,
And saving a shilling or two;
If you've nothing to spend, then you've nothing to lend,
Why that's all the better for you;
There no harm in taking a drappie,
It ends all your trouble and strife;
It gives ye the feeling that when you get home,
You don't give a hang for the wife!


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jim Lad
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:26 AM

A Wee Doch an' Doris should get her going.
Anything Harry Lauder.
Keep Right on to the End of the Road.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:28 AM

We much enjoyed "Ho-Ro My Nut Brown Maiden" at my Northampton school about 1942 ~~ particularly beautiful tune IMO. Recommend also BTW a wonderful performance of it in Gaelic by the Rankin family on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsrYkKGsoY

Also heard as always at the Trooping of the Colour: it is a company march of the Scots Guards.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:31 AM

The words are here ~~

http://www.contemplator.com/tunebook/scotland/horo.htm


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Little Robyn
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:33 AM

The northern lights of old Aberdeen
Skye boat song
Marie's wedding

Lots of Hugh Roberton songs - his choir was on the radio here in NZ so presumably on Scots radio too.

Where is your Mum Ana? Anywhere near Hawke's Bay?
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:37 AM

"Ally bally ally bally bee, sitting on yer mammy's knee, greeting fer a wee baubee, tae buy some Coulter's candy."
and " Swing yer Ma, swing yer Pa, swing yer Granny through the wa', Come tae the Barrowlands tonight!" (Two very popular Glasgow songs of the time)


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Guest EKanne
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM

Try Kenneth McKellar (great thread on Mudcat in the past, with links to many YouTube clips) -- he toured extensively and had a great repertoire of songs to appeal to expats, including Burns, Harry Lauder and music hall.

Other good songs which would have featured in the kind of social singarounds at Hogmanay that preceded tv were 'The Rowan Tree', 'The Road to the Isles', 'Just a Wee Deoch an' Doris'; 'The Skye Boat Song', 'Mairi's Wedding', 'Bonnie Mary o' Argyle' and -- of course -- 'Loch Lomond'.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:50 AM

I recall that "Ho-Ro..." which I recommend above was one of the "Tunes Of Glory" chosen by Alec Guinness's Highland colonel to be played at his predecessor's funeral in the fine film of that name.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 04:13 AM

Rothesay O
Song of the Clyde
Down in the Glen
Road to Dundee.
Mary Ma Scot's Bluebell [I love a lassie]
Bonnie Wee Jeannie McColl
Cambelltown Loch [maybe]
Loch Lomond
Roamin' in the Gloamin'


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 04:21 AM

Some of the songs reworked by Burns, either in his or more traditional variations

McPherson's Rant

and some

My luve is like a red red rose

probably of his own composition.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:12 AM

Ah - you're a fantastic lot! Thank you :)


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:16 AM

Coulter's Candy, probably not. It got popularized by the folk revival and wasn't widely known before that. Ditto MacPherson's Rant.

Scotland the Brave was the big hit of that time (from 1948). Any of the Hugh Roberton/Peter Dawson stuff would do - The Road to the Isles would be another one to try.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: bubblyrat
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:17 AM

Some Scottish songs that my partner and I have been learning & adding to our "repertoire" recently :

               Busk, Busk ,Bonnie Lassie
   
             ( "Busk" as in " hurry up , get ready !" ; more or less )

               Annie Laurie

               Ye Banks and Braes o' Bonny Doon
               
               Lord Ronald

               Gilderoy

               The Laird O' Cockpen

               My Love's In Germanie

               O, Saw Ye Bonnie Lesley ?

                Aye Waukin O

Ok, so mostly common a HUNDRED and sixty years ago , but still pretty good , no ??


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:19 AM

Two other obvious suggestions, both Burns' reworkings of tradition:

Ye banks & braes

Auld lang syne

~M~


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:26 AM

And another that probably came into prominence with the revival, but still exceedingly singable, is "Gin I were where the Gadie runs" [or sometimes the Gaudie or the Gowrie...]


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:44 AM

Out of bubblyrat's list, "Annie Laurie" and "Ye Banks and Braes". The others weren't generally familiar.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:49 AM

Lady Nairn's Jacobite songs ~~ Skye Boat Song [I recall a cockney decorator working in our London house about 1937 who had that on the brain and sang it the whole time!], Charlie Is My Darling, Wi' 100 Pipers, Will Ye No Come Back Again...

Also, The Piper o Dundee.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Gutcher
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:49 AM

"The Old Rugged Cross" In the west of Scotland until 30yrs. ago no gathering was spared until someone had sung this one.
"Dark Lochnagar" a tremendous favourite with men who had over imbibed,interesting this one when one considers the composer. Women in general, in Scotland, 60 years ago did not visit pubs.
"The Bonnie Wells O Wearie"
"Bonnie Scotland I Adore Thee" This was recorded in the early 1930s.by a chap billed as Glasgows Tramway Tenor. Anyone, out there, with a copy of this 78rpm I would be pleased to hear from by PM.
"Willies Gane Tae Melvile Castle"


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:58 AM

I remember, she (Christina) was singing 'roamin through the gloamin'. My ma said liked Donald where's your trousers and christina retorted it was silly. She 'twinkled' and told me that if was to sing Scottish songs, I was not to sing them in English - it was 'bornie' not 'bonnie', so we ran through a whole lot of other words. She knew the Skye boat song quite well too. She had a funny rhyme as well - must record her next time.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: BobKnight
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 07:34 AM

MtheGm The Gadie is a burn, or stream as it's known outside Scotland. So Gowrie, or Guadie is a corruption of the original.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Little Robyn
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 07:49 AM

Westering Home was another favourite.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Little Robyn
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 07:55 AM

This old thread
has a lot of them.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 08:14 AM

Yes, a fine collection, Robyn. Bonnie Lass o Fyvie, indeed.

But can't recall a ref, either there or above, to The Campbells Are Coming!

Bob ~ yes, indeed, thanks. That is why I led with Gadie; but Robin Hall used always to sing Gaudie, which he insisted was the name of an actual river; and you will find Gowrie as one of the variants on google menu.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 08:21 AM

A somewhat 'disobliging' but entertaining song called The Dundee Weaver had a vogue in early Revival days. Doesn't seem to be in DT. Anyone recall that one?


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Max Johnson
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 08:22 AM

My lovely old Great-auntie Annie when she had enjoyed her usual apperitif could often be persuaded to sing:

'AAAHHHHM a Tyrolian, no a big yin but a wee yin...'

I can't remember the rest, but it was a great song. Annie, sadly, no longer around to ask.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:41 AM

Interesting, Jack Campin, about Coulter's Candy. I sang it with my class of six year-olds in Glasgow (Bluevale district) in the early seventies, and their parents and grandparents certainly knew it well. They inevitably requested it when our little 'choir' sang a few ditties for them at the end of term! That would take it back to the fifties I suppose, which is about sixty years ago.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:47 PM

I know the Dundee Weaver well, but again I think it stems from the revial days of the late 50s, early 60s. Jings! I just realised that's about 60 years ago!


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:59 PM

Indeed. And around then Robin & Jimmie were singing As I Cam Up The Overgate, too - remember?


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 02:07 PM

The Dundee Weaver as I know it although it may need some judicious editing :)

Dundee Weaver, The

Noo I'm a Dundee weaver
And I come fae bonny Dundee
I met a Glesca fella
And he cam' courting me
He took me oot a walking
Doon by the Broomielaw
And there the dirty we rascal stole
Ma thingamajig awa'
And there the dirty we rascal stole
Ma thingamajig awa'

He took me oot a-walking
Doon by the Ruchin Glen
He showed tae me the bonny wee birds
He showed me a bonny wee hen
He showed tae me the bonny birds
Frae a linnet tae a craw
He showed tae me the bird that stole
Ma thingamajig awa'
He showed tae me the bird that stole
Ma thingamajig awa'

Oh! I'll go back tae Dundee
Looking bonny, fresh & fair
I'll pit oan ma bonny blue shawl
And I'll tie up ma bonny broon hair
And I'll pit oan ma corsets
Tae mak' ma body look sma'
And whae will tell frae ma rosy cheeks
Ma thingamajig's awa
And whae will tell frae ma rosy cheeks
Ma thingamajig's awa

So come a' ye Dundee weavers
And tak' this advice fae me
Never let a fella
An inch above yer knee
Never stand at the tap o' a close
Wi' yer erse against a wa'
For if ye dae, ye can safely say
Yer thingamajig's awa'
For if ye dae, ye can safely say
Yer thingamajig's awa'


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 02:18 PM

Yes - scary! Just as in the lines of a song "Oh but the years run fast awa, like the Kelvin tae the Clyde".
Appreciate the efforts being taken to suggest songs only common in the 20s-30s. It can't be assumed that, just because a song is old, it was commonly sung around the time of the world wars. Interesting how much our collective knowledge of old songs has increased following the revival and accessible recorded music - even in the antipodes!.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 02:26 PM

Ha - just read the Dundee Weaver - she might just like it unedited. I sang her a song which included a willie, and she joked about how that was her husband's name but they changed it ti Bill.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:01 PM

The Ruchin Glen should be the Rookin Glen and we always sang 'corsets tight' and 'never staun at the back o' the close or up agin the wa'


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Guest EKanne
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:33 PM

Jim,
You're surely meaning 'the Rouken Glen' -- now a popular park on Glasgow's southside (with a butterfly sanctuary amongst other attractions).
And the version of 'The Dundee Weaver' that I learned had
"So I'll go back to Dundee, looking bonny, young and fair.
    I'll lace my corsets tightly and tie back my bonny brown hair.
    I'll lace my corsets tightly, to mak' my body look sma' -
    An' wha will ken by my rosy cheeks, my thingummyjig's awa'?"


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jim McLean
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 04:52 AM

EKanne, yes you're correct, my spelling was wrong although I know Rouken Glen well. As kids we sometimes walked there from Paisley. I haven't heard it sung as "corsets tightly", only as "corsets tight" but that's a wee point.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 05:06 AM

Wot no Andy Stewart! Andy & Sandy McKay, my Mums Scottish favourites, I think my sister has their LP's somewhere. Don't ask me for the songs all i rfemember is donald where's ya trousers and Scottish Soldier, the later was claimed by hammond Organ player Bobby Pagan, to have been written by someone else and ripped off by Andy Stewart.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Ana
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 06:18 AM

No - not 'Donald where's your trousers"; old Christina was quite clear that it was a modern 'silly' song. :) She did sing along to Scottish Soldier though.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Jim McLean
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 07:01 AM

The Scottish Soldier tune was taken from Rossini'e William Tell, used as a pipe tune called The Green Hills of Tyrol. Words were set to it by Andy and Iain McFadyen.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 10:50 AM

The Auld Meal Mill
Grannie's Hielan' Hame


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 12:26 PM

You might find suitable songs in the repertoire of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 02:33 PM

We used to sing ...

On the beach at Portobello,

Maggie fell in with a fellow.

His hair was black and his teeth were yellow,

Down by the Portobello pier.

He was bowly, he was hen-toed,

Singing, "Come back to Sorrento".

Made her feel quite sentimental,

Down by the Portobello pier.

His shoes were worn down to the upper,

But he bought her a big pie supper.

She thought he was trying to get...acquainted

(She wasn't the brightest girl ever ye knew -

She'd tae take aff her jumper to count up tae two.)

Down by the Portobello pier.

Says he to her upon an impulse.

Tell me "How d'you like my dimples?"

Sez she, "I cannae right see them for your pimples.
"
Down by the Portobello pier

He got fresh wi Maggie Gemmell,

She said, "Here you, what's your gemm-o?"

He says, "Here, let me gie ye a demo",

Down by the Portobello pier.

They then lay down upon a sand dune.

He breenged at her with reckless abandune.

She said, "Here, you, get your hand doon."

Down by the Portobello pier.

Aye, Maggie always will remembra

Though 'twas ten year last Novembra,

The day she took the train to Embra,

And the bus to Portobello.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 03:46 PM

Matt McGinn, so probably slightly later than 60 years ago, more likely 1960s. To half of the tune of "Come back to Sorrento" - or going back to the tune's origins - 'Vedi il mare come e bello".


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 03:57 PM

(Two very popular Glasgow songs of the time)

Mind just because it (Coulters Candy) was popular in Glasgow it doesn't make it a Glasgow song. I used to sing that as an infant in the early 60s and was always told it was a local (ie Borders)song. Don't know if it is perhaps based on an earlier song but by local tradition at least in its current form it relates to a street sweet merchant who lived in 19thC Galashiels.


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 02:54 PM

ha just remembered a version of "comin through the rye" that either Matt MsGinn or Hamish Imlac did, starts "Jean McPherson was a person wi lang and yeller hair"


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 03:23 PM

There is another thread, live at the moment discussing Coulter's Candy.

Another song I don't see further up the thread is Westering Home.

When I was a boy in the early 60's very New Year the Glasgow Weekly News (the Wee Kelly)published a 4 page spread with all of these songs so that families could have a sing song. We all used to visit both sets of Grandparents on New Year's Day and at my Mum's parents would sit all round the flat with my cousins and sing our way through endless rounds of "party pieces" My Grampa's party piece was "The Star of Rabbie Burns"


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Subject: RE: Common Scots songs 60 years ago
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 01:04 AM

Stallion, this is Alex Campbell's version:

Jeannie MacPherson is a person wi' lang yella hair
We went thegither doon the watter last Glesca Fair
The rain it did come doon in torrents
Her hair she couldnae keep dry
And a' the day the streaks o' grey kept comin thro' the dye


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