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mikesamwild 03 Aug 11 - 05:59 AM
GUEST,Graham Bradshaw 03 Aug 11 - 06:17 AM
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Dave MacKenzie 03 Aug 11 - 12:06 PM
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maeve 04 Aug 11 - 07:44 AM
GUEST,Pete Heywood, Living Tradition 04 Aug 11 - 10:10 AM
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Subject: Living Tradition
From: mikesamwild
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 05:59 AM

I just got the latest edition of LT. In it Pete the editor is asking for financial contributions.Is this a sign of harder times or is on line publishing the future format? Is it a worldwide phenomenon? I read magazines from cover to cover but only dip into online stuff.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 06:17 AM

It is interesting that Pete and co were at the Warwick Folk Festival last weekend, giving away back issues of LT, and a limited number of the latest edition.
I would think this was a very effective advertising campaign as an awful lot of people were picking them up. Hopefully, many of these will convert into being regular readers, of what has always been an excellent magazine.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 08:35 AM

LT has been having financial problems for a while and didn't publish at all for more than a year. It seems to have bounced back recently with 3 issues appearing more or less on time. Unfortunately, I think us paid-up subscribers were treated badly during the non-appearance and communication was woeful. There's no excuse for that, these days, with web sites and e-mail. I won't be re-subscribing.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: doc.tom
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 09:24 AM

While I have some sympathy with GUEST,davemc, and I have to agree about the way subscribers were not treated, the non-publication was not entirely for finanacial reasons - as I understand it. I know some advertisers have been having second thoughts because of lateness and non-appearance, but as you say the last three issues have been somewhat better on time, if thinner! Personally, we been subscribers since it started, and weathered the problems for the sake of having a mag that was closest thing available to our own likes - use it or lose it. Good luck to them - so long as it doesn't happen again!
Tom


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:06 PM

I spoke to Pete several times during the hiatus, and got the distinct impression that websites were part of the problem. I definitely won't be cancelling my subscription.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: GUEST,Guest - Lindy
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 12:45 AM

Several years ago I used to sometimes find this magazine in a large book & music store near Long Beach, California but they have not carried it for many years. I have not been able to find a copy for a long time anywhere at stores here and even after asking if it can be ordered for the store, it is not even in their inventory any more.

mikesamwild who posted the first message here about this magazine mentions that "he reads the magazine from cover to cover." That's how I was when I used to buy "Dirty Linen" folk music magazine which is no longer in publication. I miss that magazine a lot! At first, after it ceased publication there was mention that it might start up again later that year---but sadly this never happened. I enjoy being able to read a magazine rather then on the internet myself. Of course Dirty Linen has ceased 100 % and not even available as an online publication.

I hope that Living Tradition doesn't eventually cease publication like Dirty Linen did. I might be able to get Living Tradition through a subscription but being in the U.S.A. it would be very expensive for me as it is published overseas. The postage alone for a magazine that comes from another country can be quite expensive.
Wish I could still find it at local book/music stores but cannot anymore.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 01:17 AM

I have the recent copy of Living Tradition with a smiling Vin Garbutt and an article on the lad!

Festivals need to be swamped again with subscription forms and perhaps a letter to ALL local mags.

On a separate line "Stirrings" ed Raymond Greenoaken does some superb articles which maybe could be used and maybe guest articles could be used in LT too ~ or not, if I am not talking thro me hat as usual?

Ray sans cookie!


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 07:36 AM

I too was disappointed when themag seemed to fold but I gave it my support this time around and it's come out on time. I think we need to keep these things going and it is a good magazine. Shortof froots and ED&S it seems to be the only one that covers trad and folk as I know it, although as Ray says there are excellend local and regional mags (rags)
Maybe Pete can be persuaded to respond?


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: maeve
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 07:44 AM

Living Tradition is well worth the price for me. As soon as I can pull together the subscription price to the USA, I will sign up once again. I've missed it.

Maeve


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: GUEST,Pete Heywood, Living Tradition
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 10:10 AM

Hi, One of our subscribers pointed me to this thread and I note that Mike said 'Maybe Pete can be persuaded to respond?" I am quite happy to respond, I am just not a regular user of forums and find these 'modern' methods of conversations difficult. In one of the threads somebody said that we communicated badly during our 'troubles'. We could and should have done better, but those people who phoned the office generally got a good idea of what was happening. In an nutshell we were short of money and swamped with work.

Email communication is supposed to be easy, but when we send out newsletters it it surprising how much gets trapped up in spam filters when we send out bulk mail. At the moment I have over 1200 emails in my inbox marked as 'unread'. This doesn't mean that I haven't read them, it means that I really should reply. The situation a year ago was much worse but I have been rescued by our daughter Fiona who now deals with the 'admin' email accounts from Donegal. She can keep on top of these and deal with most things, but the more difficult issues land on my lap. These take time - and often time I don't have.

I don't want this to become a 'poor Pete' email sharing my woes. We are doing a difficult job on limited resources but the world is still turning round and I am still alive and putting on weight.

I should perhaps address other issues in a series of shorter emails. I may repeat myself later but I am totally committed to a printed publication. We had our reasons for doing this 20 years ago, I think that it is important that we ask ourselves what the purpose and aims of the magazine are now. The situation is not the same - and of anything the job that needs to be done now is even harder.

Cheers

Pete Heywood


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: skipy
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 10:50 AM

Kate & I are in it for the long haul & will continue to support.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 11:12 AM

FIRST attempt to answer some questions. "Is this a sign of harder times or is on line publishing the future format? Is it a worldwide phenomenon? I read magazines from cover to cover but only dip into online stuff."

Response from Pete: Although we can't ignore the general economic circumstances I think the problems facing specialist publications and specialist music makers and publishers go much deeper than that. We started the magazine out of a desire to promote an interest in traditional music. This was in pre Internet days. Printed publications had a critical role in communication among organisers. I believe they still have that role to play.

The bigger impact of Living Tradition as a glossy magazine was perhaps its part in raising the credibility of traditional music in the corridors of power. You can't put a website on the desk of the Minister of Culture. If we don't treat our music seriously why should other people take us seriously? Being able to play traditional music as the core element of a music Degree; the current investment by Creative Scotland in traditional music; the decision by Glasgow Royal Concert Hall to create an event called Celtic Connections in their slack time of year; the vast numbers of people now playing traditional music as a result of informal and formal education programmes; serious television coverage of traditional music – all these things didn't happen by accident. I am not claiming that this was because of Living Tradition, but we did play a part. The folk scene sings of unity and strength but is not good at working together. Over the years Living Tradition has shared ideas, put people in touch with each other and contributed our own practical efforts to make things happen. We have not just followed the crowd or the commercial interest and most of the time we seem to be swimming against the tide of popular opinion of what is good for the music.

The Web can't be ignored, but whilst it may be good for reaching a wider audience, it is not always good news for specialist music. If print publications are in danger, spare a thought for specialist record labels.   We could have a whole thread on this.

Before I forget to answer the question.   "Is on-line publication the future format?" My answer is that I hope not. It is the 'easy option' for some but in my view not the best one. It does have a part to play though.

Cheers for now.

Pete Heywood


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: maeve
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 11:23 AM

Thanks very much for your two replies, Pete.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:40 AM

Thanks for putting us in the picture Pete. An excellent magazine, which I look forward to.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 04:28 AM

Put your subs up Pete. I think people would pay a wee bit more than they do. It's very good value at the moment, and worth a little more than we pay now.
As has been said push your subscription forms about more, send a few to everybody in the next issue.
As well as features ON an artiste, how about features BY an artiste? I'm sure there are many who would be willing to let you have their thoughts about, and reflections on, folk music today.
Reminiscences of times gone by from some of our long serving people might be good too.
Folk club organisers, festival promoters as well as artistes could have interesting tales to tell.
As for fund raisng, I suggest the raffling off of a few CD's by subscribers on club nights might work. Tell them it's for a good cause!
Final thought. Yes your communications were crap when you had your little local difficulties, and I think it's a lot to do with the fact you seem to do so much yourself. I know you say your daughter helps, but I'm sure others would volunteer too. It's a digital age you know!


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: Peter C
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 09:22 AM

I for one think The Living Tradition is a really excellent mag, and I am happy to continue to subscribe. It does an even better job IMHO than another glossy mag that I get as part of my subs to a certain organisation!


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 08:07 AM

Thanks for the toughts Pete. As I say I'm also in for the long haul and anything we can do round here in Sheffield , just ask.


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: GUEST,George Frampton
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 08:49 AM

I SHALL be re-subscribing to Living Tradition when my current subscription expires.
Hector Christie was at Sidmouth promoting the mag, and if this was the tip of a pro-active campaign to relaunch the mag, then good on his and Pete's initiative. I value hard copy magazines and journals - some of us don't have the ackers to carry around iBooks or whatevery latest e-gadgetry the market decides to thrust on us.
Apart from ED&S, Living Tradition provides an excellent service in providing prompt awareness into what's happening on the scene. I notice too that's its orbit is permeating its way southwards.
I hope that in future, the mag explores some of the wider joys of the 'Tradition' such as the mummers play featured in the current edition, rather than concert artistes featured in R2 or fRoots - each valid coverage in their own right.
We need more diversity in the tradition as the recession bites, not just one focus. Good on yer, Living Tradition. Keep up the good work!


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Subject: RE: Living Tradition - asking financial contributions?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 09:05 PM

I will continue to support the Living Tradition.

An excellent magazine.

My only complaint would be that there are too many revues of recorded material which seem to be outside of the remit indicated by the title!


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