Tech: Are We Alive Again?

Subject: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Midchuck
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:18 PM

Yay Max!

P.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:24 PM

Testing pages. Not all load yet. "The time taken to process your request has exceeded the allowable limit of 30 seconds. Please notify the server administrator (using the mail link below) that this error has occurred."

You probably know which very large thread this is. . . (might as well test with the biggest one, to see what the tolerances are. Can we have a little longer loading window for some of the big ones?)

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:26 PM

okay, took a few tries, got in. Looks like things are limbering up, stretching, getting set for the traffic. Looks good, Max!

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: RTim
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:28 PM

Well done Max.

Tim Radford

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:31 PM

Really sorry to hear of all the trouble Max.

Yet again, thanks.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:32 PM

HOw did you do it, man? Whassa scoop?

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:34 PM

We're back (but the clock is off by 12 hours--there's an AM/PM reversal)
Glad we're back. Yea!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:36 PM

Well done Max! You're our hero!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:38 PM

Very pleased indeed to see Mudcat back. I trust all the problems are now well & truly sorted & that Mudcat can now get on with what it does best...inform, entertain & enlighten.
       Very Best Wishes to Max & Jo,
                                                    Nigel Paterson.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: maeve
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:40 PM

Thank you, Max. Please let us know if we can be of meaningful help...beyond treating one another with respect and kindness.

Maeve

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:42 PM

Yeah... insurance/utility cover your losses?

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:46 PM

Neat!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:46 PM

Glad to see you back!

Kitty

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:49 PM

Phew!

THANKS, MAX!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:49 PM

Hello everybody!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:54 PM

yah!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:54 PM

I'll bet that was NOT fun!.....If any more storms appear... unplug us! And get the Super-Dooper size surge protectors.

...and a hearty "well done".....

Now, try to stay busy.... *grin*

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:16 PM

Outstanding, Max, outstanding.
A big thank you from Charlie in Dunfermline

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:21 PM

Daily Cat Fixes are back on the menu !! |Thasnks Max

Now tell us the Pay Pal info - I get survey payment into PayPal so DO have some spare funds , which I would be happy to share for the good of the Cat

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Nancy King
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 12:40 AM

Well done, Max! Thanks!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 12:58 PM

Great

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: mayomick
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:02 PM

Don't know what the trouble was , but well done Max for fixing it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:18 PM

"Don't know what the trouble was "

It was big storms and a power surge that messed up several computers. Max had to go shopping, then transfer data to new PCs.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: terrier
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:19 PM

Maybe we should rename Max 'Sparky' in the future ;)
Well done that man.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:24 PM

Thank you Max for rescuing Mudcat!

And here I was imagining that some new security features had been instituted that made Mudcat inaccessible for folks with old computers (like me).

Bravo, Max!


Jay

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:29 PM

What Gnu asked at 10:42 MCT. If not...

You rock, Max. Now get some sleep. You can't not need it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Max
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:01 PM

This is a temporary setup that's plugging right now, won't be perfect or existent to fix most. Be patient. The stuff we needed had to be ordered and shipped had to make due with what I could buy at BestBuy (which for a guy like me is ALMOST as bad as buying an Ovation in an emergency because your CF Martin broke). Though, I wouldn't buy an Ovation if it were all I had to float on for a week lost at sea.

Joe and the clones are collecting a list of glitches for me to whack at. Maybe we should start a thread. Fixed the clock, which might cause trouble till I can get into the DB and change all the posts prior.

I'll tell ya more soon, for this was a notable enough situation to make an impact me permanently. This one hurt me a little.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:07 PM

3rd try: Max, the time is right, but it's still tomorrow here.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:12 PM

♫ "There's no tomorrow, there's just tonight.."♫

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:17 PM

Max... make a permanent impact... don't like the sound of that but I shant make any assumptions. I, WE?, will just have to wait until you tell us more soon. If it's $ ya need, I can't do as well as in the past but I'll find a few beans somewhere. Mudcat is far to valuable a resource, both musically and socially, to be permanently harmed by Mother Nature (the bitch!) or human nature (the glitch?).

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:40 PM

Noted above that the "mudcat clock" appeared to be 12 hours off, but it now seems to be 24 hours off - unless I'm in a time warp of some kind.

My clock is showing 1:00 pm 17 August 2011
Mudcat time would be 2:00 pm 17 August 2011
Last post shown (when I started this post) was 1:56 pm 18 August 2011.

No big deal, until the server clock corrects itself or somebody gets around to a correction. (I don't think Max picked up and moved to a different time zone, but he may have thought about it.)

Based on the timestamp for the last post that was aparently prior to the BIG ZAP, the disaster was at about 14 Aug 11 06:56 PM.

For those who just can't stand having a discussion interrupted, the "active threads" displayed then would have been those less than "1 day" (24 hours) old BZ (Before Zap). Refresh 3 days back doesn't pick up any additional threads working, so a "7 days" back Refresh is needed to see all that were up at ZAP TIME. There were about 69 threads in the top section and about 25 in BS - minus those already having new post AZ.

Posting a list would have made a very long post.

It appears that a few people knew how to look up threads "across the great divide," as some have been brought back to life, but it appears that "all has been saved," (is a "Hellelujah!" required?).

Startup traffic appears to have been heavy, since quite a few posts got on while I was still getting "no response" errors, probably just time-outs for the last several due to traffic.

Anyone who can't read this post should of course "just keep trying." (I've been reading too many software manuals, so I know that the advice "if your email quits working you need to send an email to your ISP" is standard computer stuff - hope it's not too techie.)

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:53 PM

Time warp?
It's just a jump to the left...

Easy, I guess to do a global change sometime. When it actually IS tomorrow, it might be harder.

I guess I'm supposed to be collecting glitches. (Didn't get the memo.)

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:09 PM

Tomorrow is always when I'm going to do all the stuff I didn't feel like doing Today. You means it's finally caught up with me???

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:20 PM

So it wasn't just me. Thank god for that. I thought Max had finally come to his senses and blocked me!

Let us know if we can do anything, and I'll echo the SUPERDOOPERAWESOME surge protector idea.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:16 PM

Say what ya want about surge protection but lightning is Mom Nature's way of saying... "You really thought that would stop me?" I have seen far less than Mom Nature kick the crap outta secondary protection... at 6A and 600V.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:25 PM

There are links to paypal and a snail mail addy on THIS PAGE for those of you who have been asking.

Also, Max, I know it isn't of paramount importance, but I can't get the auction to work. I have instructions from Don Meixner to put another of his gorgeous, hand-made silver bracelets up for auction, 100% to Mudcat with a minimum bid $40 as the price of silver has gone up.

My sympathies on your having to use an Ovation.:-)

luvyakat

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:25 PM

We should surge protect the surge protection protecting the surge protection protecting the surge protection...

That'd work right?

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM

Hey Druggie, don't forget the BACKUP surge protection! And maybe a few spare servers...

Hey, let's all buy lottery tickets!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:44 PM

Max deserves a standing Ovation in any case. Maybe he'd prefer a standing Martin, though.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 04:57 PM

or, at the very least, a Martini

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 05:14 PM

Yes! It took three or four *days* over here in Australis for *me* to get back in.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 05:37 PM

Anyone having problems resetting "Messages since last visit" option?

Regards

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 05:42 PM

Max - new threads don't go to the top of the headings, and refreshes don't seem to work either - they get buried about halfway down the pile, at least on my puter.

And this thread is right at the bottom, when I know how new the last posts were so it should be near the top. This wasn't happening awhile ago, when I posted in the Boswell thread. But my new one ("Smithsonian Folkways Archive") refuses to rise.

Sounds like a glitch. Are you aware of it? Apologies if you've talked about it and I missed it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 05:45 PM

Have the same problem on my personal page in my list of Traced threads too :-(

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 06:22 PM

Yep...I see same glich as Bonnie...posts go into thread, but thread stays in same place

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 06:23 PM

I figure it's because:

Mudcat time: 17 August 2011 - 6:19 PM EDT
and
"RE: Whitby Sessions 2011 18 Aug 11 - 05:06 PM"

I see the date has been corrected. When "now" catches up to the posts dated tomorrow, the reset thing ought to work.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 06:28 PM

In other words, the re-set thing changes the time to NOW and the messages were posted after that (as far as Mudcat 'knows').

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 06:35 PM

So should we wait until the real 18th to Refresh, so the new things can get their chance at the top? I see the Ukelele makers haven't budged!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 06:56 PM

When the 'cat first came up, the clock was set a day off, so a post made then would go to the top of the list. When the clock was reset, the next post would be stamped at the earlier (correct?) time. Since each post has it's own date/time stamp, the date/time shown will be "in order out of order" until the actual current date catches up to the ones that were posted as tomorrow earlier today.

My understanding is that each post is given a number in mostly consecutive order, in the sequence in which they are first received.

Each thread is also numbered in the order received, but all the thread knows is the post numbers of the posts that belong to that thread.

To display a thread, it has to be "assembled" by calling up all the posts in the thread, and they are apparently sorted by the "post numbers" - which should put them in the correct sequence in which they were posted. The time recorded for the posting, according to a possibly incorrect clock setting, is displayed, but isn't what's used to put the posts in sequence first-to-last. A post made when the clock was "wrong" will continue to display the wrong time - even though it will appear before later posts and after earlier posts, according to "real time."

If it's a problem, I suppose you could wait until tomorrow to read the top of the thread(?????). I've never found it too much of an inconvenience being occasionally "a day late" getting the news, although the commonly associated "dollar short" can be annoying.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 07:07 PM

Addendum:

It does appear that the threads are sorted by date/time stamp, but posts within a thread are sorted in sequence regardless of the date/time recorded for the post.

It may be necessary to watch how things develop to update the theory ... ... ...

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Janie
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 07:40 PM

Appreciate the Paypal link Kat. I figure a donation is the best way to express thanks to Max for those of us who are able to do so.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:29 PM

Does that mean that mudcat time has caught up with our time down under?
I'm so pleased you're all back, I don't care what time it is.
Thanks Max.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 10:54 PM

The clock is certainly behaving strangely. I hope we don't lose all our new posts when it gets fixed.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:26 PM

Thanks, Janie, me, too.:-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 12:25 AM

Oh, so glad that Mudcat is alive again! In the meantime, I've been looking for it on Facebook.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:01 AM

Welcome back to Mudcat and heartfelt thanks to Max. What a treasure you are!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: My guru always said
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:47 AM

Well done Max (such a good boy), you've given us our life-line back *grin*

I'll be glad when the threads get back to normal time, I keep rechecking that my posts have taken!

Wonder if Amazon can do backup surge protectors for the surge protectors? Mudcat would get a cut....

Click link to buy from Amazon via Mudcat - Mudcat gets a cut!

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 11:00 AM

I traced this thead early this AM. It worked. Just got back in my office and no trace.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Girl Friday
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 11:40 AM

Got my rms feed email today. Welcome back, and well done Max - you star!

Couldn't access this thread via the email though. "Problem loading page" said Firefox. I had to go back 3 days to find it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:52 PM

I had to laugh when there was a server internal error when I tried to load this thread.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 05:48 AM

Tracer worked this time.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 11:33 PM

Yes! Yes! Yes! Life with Mudcat is so much better than life without. Thank you, thank you, thank you for getting it up and running again.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 02:23 AM

Seems like we're working pretty well. I still get error messages on personal messages sometimes, but that may be due to the fact that I'm delinquent on cleaning out the 1200 messages in my inbox....

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 11:42 AM

only 1200? Piker!


(I had them mostly under control and archived a couple of years ago, then something happened to my settings and BOOM everything was back again...now I'm up to 1306. I **intend** to delete a huge bunch soon,,,right after craft season.)

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 04:49 PM

Ahhhh... it means thank you according to google.

Subject: RE: Tech: Are We Alive Again?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM

I got confused over piker gu and somehow wound up with fifers

But here is The Pikeman.