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Subject: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 25 Sep 99 - 11:22 PM

Having RealAudio sice it first arrived on the net and put up with all the 'problems' of the earliest versions I now wonder whether it is worth spending any money on it.

First all the versions I tried did everything to my system including 'protect error' lockups etc.

Microsoft provide FREE to any Windows GUI owner a very good streaming audio player.

This package supports MP3 so I am going to install it on my amchine and DUMP RealAudio.

The file format for Microsoft's audio is ASF.

Last comment I do not think RealAudio's childish attempts to force me to buy their product by rigging MY registry files is very funny, especially when the instead of turning off the audio stream the entries lock up MY computer.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 12:24 AM

Just a thought, when did Microsoft start giving away this product and why?

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 02:01 AM

Download at microsoft.com - Netscape referred me to the page - I don't have the URL - I am a Netcape nut so mine is set to automatically get stuff and save it - It does not keep a record of the page.

Go to Netscape.com type 'mediaplayer' in the search box press enter - thats all there is to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 09:55 AM

j0, I don't understand why you say RealAudio is trying to force you to buy their product. I haven't noticed anything obnoxious about the program except those "ding-dong" noises when I first activate it.

Interestingly, I dumped Netscape because it kept overwriting my settings whenever I started it.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 11:44 AM

Sure Jeri, if you do not upgrade from older versions of Netscape it will not run well, if you did upgrade and did not remove the older version it will not run properly - if at all.

RealPlayer had some strange entries in my dat files and it did create a big problem for the Video services of my Trident card, on certain dates LOL.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 12:29 PM

j0_77

I was't asking where to get the Microsoft product, I was wondering why Microsoft use a different file format and giving this program away. The cynic in me says that Real Audio has been very successful and Microsoft want to gain control over that area. IMO opinion that is the way that this company operates.

I am using the FREE Real G2 player and the free Real Jukebox and have not eperienced any problems with either to date.

IMO a lot of the problems like system crashes are actually caused by the instability of Microsofts own operating systems. I am running Windows 95 now which is reasonably stable but 3.11 was appauling. All of these also carry a legacy from DOS. I have read to my ammusement in some PC magazines that poor old Microsoft Windows has suffered because of DOS (as opposed to suggesting that Microsoft have continued the problems caued by their own badly designed DOS through to Windows).

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 01:36 PM

Why is everyone bashing MS - shoot they invented the PC - I dont think they(MS) want to dominate streaming audio but I do think they are aware of the Real registry err entries LOL

Mostly the machines which crash with MS windows are not properly setup or have bad installs etc., I admit the help in 'Reskit' is kinda hard to work with but a little time studying it avoids a lot of serious errors during installs etc.

Sure I would use R A but don't like their sales pitch - I was one of the earliest Beta users. 2 cows hehe.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 02:00 PM

OK j0_77, this is one I am going to have to agree to disagree with you on. Computer wise, I program in C++, and Delphi occaionally and localy, I am often asked to sort out other peoples problems with computers and am reasonably well aware of a good and a bad installation (although I am certainly not an expert on the regitry). I do have strong thoughts about Microsoft but not strong enough to get involved in a long dicussion.

BTW, I thought that IBM invented the PC and Microsoft developed the O/S, PCDOS for it. Microsoft then marketed what was basicaly the same O/S under the name of MSDOS and this helped pave the way for the introduction of PC clones. Whether this was a good thing or a bad thing or whether Microsoft were right or wrong is debatable.

Whatever I might think of Bill Gates, I have to concede that he is a very clever and succesful businessman.

Best Wishes

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Neil Lowe
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 04:19 PM

I've not been able to get my version of Real Audio to play any of the Wednesday night Mudcat programs. Anybody else have the same problem, and if so, how did you fix it?

TIA, Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Neil Lowe
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 05:42 PM

....never mind, figured it out.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 06:29 PM

Jo

I am surprised that you are having problems with Real Audio. In my experience (and many others) it it much more stable than Media Player and runs on many more setups without problems.

Out of the three PCs that I have access to, all installed and work with Real Audio G2 with no problems. Only one of the three can run MediaPlayer, and when I installed MediaPlayer on all of them it messed up the OUTLook Installation (go figure).

An excellent Old-Time station in Kentucky, WMMT, gave up on Media Player and switched to Real Audio broadcasting.

They can be found at http://www.appalshop.org/wmmt/wmmt.htm

JAB


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Subject: tech: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 07:38 PM

Until three weeks ago, I had been using both RealPlayer and RealProducer G2 and Windows Media Player 6.x. then I tried to install a resource-hungry copy of Microsoft Money 2000, and crashed my computer. I was able to restore most things, but not RealPlayer and Windows Media Player. I ought to reformat my hard drive and reinstall everything, but I have no place to store all the data I've collected. Guess I'll have to do without audio until I get a new computer - it would cost me big bucks to get something for data storage.

IUt does seem that RealMedia tries hard to trick you into buying their $29.95 "RealPlayer Plus," but the free player is still available. You really have to look hard for the free downloads. I think I've found a link that will bypass most of the trickiness and get you to where you can fairly easily download the free player. Click for RealPlayer G2. I can't remember exactly how to get there, but there is a box you can click on in RealPlayer that will disable most of the nagging "buy the upgrade" reminders.

Click Here for RealProducer G2. This is what I had been using before my crash to record music for e-mail attachments and for recordings on my Website. I think it works pretty well. Gene Graham prefers to do recordings in MP3 format, and I admit Gene's recordings sound great. I couldn't get an MP3 recorder that would work right on my system, so I gave up because I was satisfied with the quality I was getting from RealProducer. Maybe I'll change my mind, once I have a better computer.

Click here for RealJukebox. I haven't tried it, so I can't say if it's good or bad.

The free download of Windows Media Player is a little easier to find because the only version available is the free one - Click here for Windows Media Player. I know there are lots of people who don't trust Microsoft and find something fishy in the practice of offering browsers and the Media Player for free. I'm sure they figure on making money on these things, but I think the idea is to get the money from the people who produce the stuff we view with the browser and the Media Player. As far as I can see, it's a good product. Sound quality is very good, and the video is an improvement over earlier versions.

But I can't get any of this stuff to work on my computer right now, so I'm frustrated. If anybody has a sure-fire way for me to get my audio players back, send me a privat message. I know this computer stuff pretty well and I've tried lots of things, but haven't had any luck. I know I can fix it if I reinstall everything, but I don't want to do that. I'll go travel, and deal with it in a couple of months.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Tony Burns
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 07:41 PM

I run RealAudio and MediaPlayer with no problems. I don't understand the comment about being bugged by the RealAudio people. I only run the free product and have not had this experience.

btw - With over 25 years experience in the computer field I know how to set up my environment. MicroSoft is not much of an operating system. Also, the PC was developed by IBM. MicroSoft had nothing to do with it.


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Subject: tech: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 08:03 PM

Well, I just figured out how to fix RealPlayer and Windows Media Player. what you do is post a message here, telling the world that the darn things don't work, and mutter a few curses about Mr. Gates and about Mr. & Mrs. Real. Then you go try to play them, and they'll work perfectly. Go figure.
Tony, do you mean to tell me that you're using RealPlayer G2 and NOT getting nagged to buy the "plus" versions? I don't know how you do that. Earlier versions didn't have all those roadblocks to downloading the free edition, but the current G2 version goes way overboard in trying to sell the "plus" version.
The links I posted above get you past almost all the roadblocks, but there's one more thing to do once you've installed RealPlayer. On the menu on the top of RealPlayer, go to "options" and then "preferences." Under the "General" tab, UNCHECK the box that says "Allow Start Center to Run In System Tray." If you leave that box checked, you will get frequent reminders that you really should upgrade to the state-of-the-art "plus" edition.
Also under "preferences," go to the "upgrade" tab, and click on the button that says "turn off upgrade notification for 30 days." Then go back and do it again, every 30 days.
It can be very helpful to fiddle with the "options" menu on all sorts of software. However, if you do it wrong, you can really screw things up. Be sure to note the changes you made, in case you have to change things back.
By the way, I don't think this thread merits the "BS" label. I'd like to see that "BS" designation reserved for the truly mindless drivel that has become so commonplace on the 'Cat lately (well, that's my opinion of it....).
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 08:30 PM

Joe, if you open Real Audio Player and click on Help, there's an option to check for updates. If there is one, they'll tell you and you can just click to download. Note: Personal opinion - Real Jukebox is a pain, and I wouldn't bother getting it again. (I like the program I already had better.)


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 09:23 PM

Boy is this a hot potatoe :) I will give it one more whirl as well as upgrade Mediaplayer. My experience of audio comes from my time with CreativeLabs - so mostly it's a little dated.

Thanx guys for the help and suggestions :0) History and conclusions - probably mistaken but conclusions nontheless.

Microsoft's Mediaplayer is designed to work with all the other services in Windows and so far I've never had a crash using it.

RealPlayer has a nasty habit of messing up several VxD functions in particular video. Hence the numerous 'page faults' also grabbing resources which the makers assume are free but are not, hence 'illegal operation'. So which resources? - 1 memory 2 irq 3 very rare dma. Memory grabbing - writing or trying to write to a000-ffff. Assuming that the sound card is on irq 5 when it is not and something else is. (Windows auto relocates IRQs as a Motherboard BIOS requires! Service name 'Configuration Manager' Registry Key/s 'Enum')

Files which Windows identifies as the problem PNEN.DLL - 9 times out of 10. Occasionaly realplay.exe.

Was RealAudio ready for release? I wonder.


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Subject: tech: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 99 - 09:31 PM

That seems to be the problem I've been having, j0 77 (not that I'm having it at the present moment). Can I disable the video portion of RealPlayer somehow, and avoid those errors?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Tony Burns
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 08:24 AM

Joe, Help, About says I have RealPlayer 6.0.6.33. I pressed the check for update button and it went off and got some newer stuff but the version numbers haven't changed. Maybe they will the next time I reboot. (Which with Windoze 95 shouldn't be too long. (Sorry j0_77 I couldn't resist.))


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 08:38 AM

Jeri, I can't remember why I downloaded Real Juke box and have found that it has an infuriating habit of adding a tune to a playlist when I try to play something from the web. But the program does work.

It is currently my cd player. The best cd player I had was one that I had written for my own use. I wanted something that would repeat a small section of a tune to help me learn it and couldn't find anything that suited me. Unfortunately, idiot here did not back anything up (I knew the risks but "It could never happen to me...") and I this together with about 4 years worth of other small programs and personal writings a the result of a hard disk failure. Maybe one day I'll write another one but I can't get in the mood for programing at the moment. Does anybody know of a good cheap sharware cd player that might work for me?

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 04:03 PM

It's baaaak again - Jon you'd probably know why the shareware RealAudio G2 is doing this silly stuff!! Anyone else interested can laugh at me but if they know why the 'coder' at RealAudio should have imagined that the memory address range ffffffff woul've always been free, pulleaaasssee let me know. Considering Win95 typically grabs these ranges for - in my case PNP Extension - Bios chores.

R32_G20_3SM caused an invalid page fault in
module at 0000:ffffffff.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0137 EIP=ffffffff EFLGS=00010206
EBX=01792f70 SS=013f ESP=0095f77c EBP=01793320
ECX=ffffffff DS=013f ESI=00000000 FS=26c7
EDX=00000006 ES=013f EDI=00000001 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:

The unknown module reffered to is "System Board Extension for PNP Bios" The resources - ie memory ranges - for this Device CANNOT be changed. No wonder either, it just happens that they are HARD WIRED - a chip or more likely a circuit and components. The Motherboard is an Intel Design too Number Vt 586VXC:3.21


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 08:29 PM

j0_77, this is beyond me but if I do find an answer, I will send it to you. Even though our feelings are different about MS and will remain so, I am not a professional and would suspect that you know a lot more than me on this.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 08:56 PM

Joe, there are other articles in the Real Audio technichal suport and perhaps that if you want to use their products, you might need to look yourself or contact them but seeing as you mentioned a specific dll in one post, this might be useful.

Jon

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When attempting to use the RealPlayer/Player Plus 5.0for Windows 95, my system crashes with a Invalid Page Fault in PNEN3250.DLL. We are currently researching the problem of Invalid Page Faults in PNEN3250.DLL in the RealPlayer & RealPlayer Plus 5.0 for Windows 95. As a troubleshooting suggestion, we recommend that you uninstall all versions of the RealAudio or RealPlayer on your system, and reinstall the RealPlayer 5.0.

To accomplish this, use the following steps:

1. Manually uninstall all versions of the RealAudio and RealPlayer/Player Plus. If you have Player Plus, be sure to save your serial number. You will need it to reinstall Player Plus.

2. Run Scandisk and Defrag to repair small file system errors on the hard drive. Scandisk and Defrag are two utilities provided by Microsoft in Windows 95.

3. Restart your computer with a minimal system configuration; disable any software running in the background. Remove all screensavers, anti-virus software, TSRs, and any other programs found in startup folders.

4. Download a new copy of the RealPlayer 5.0.

5. Reinstall the RealPlayer 5.0.

These steps are detailed below:

1. Manually uninstall all versions of the RealAudio and RealPlayer/Player Plus.

STEP ONE:

The Player installer creates directories and copies files to the hard drive when it is run. These directories should be removed when you are finished deleting the copied files:

In C:\RAPLAYER (or the directory specified during the installation): RAPLAYER.EXE README.HTM NOTES.HTM START.RAM RA.GIF BOOKMARK.SAV THANKYOU.RA

In C:\REAL\PLAYPLUS RVPLAYER README.HTM NOTES.HTM START.RAM GRAPHIC.GIF BOOKMARK.SAV THANKYOU.SWF PLAYRLIC.TXT THANKYOU.RM

In C:\WINDOWS directory: RAUNINST.EXE

In C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory: RA3214_4.DLL RA3228_8.DLL RA32DNET.DLL DECDNET.DLL PNEN3230.DLL PNUI3230.DLL RAOCX32.DLL (if you installed the RealAudio ActiveX Controls for Internet Explorer) RAPLAYER.EXE CLRVIDDC.DLL RA32CLV1.DLL RA32SIPR.DLL RA32RV10.DLL RARV1032.DLL PNCRT.DLL PNEN3240.DLL PNUI3240.DLL PNUI3250.DLL PNEN3250.DLL SWFF3250.DLL SWFR3250.DLL

In C:\WINDOWS\HELP directory: RAPLAYER.HLP RVPLAYER.HLP

If you installed the RealAudio Plug-In, then in the plug-in directory of your browser: NPRA32.DLL RACLASS.ZIP

2. Run Scandisk and Defrag to repair small file system errors on the hard drive.

A. Run SCANDISK with maximum detection. SCANDISK is run from the DOS mode.

From the C:\ Prompt type scandisk - press .

B. Run DEFRAG. DEFRAG is run from the DOS mode.

From the C:\ prompt, type defrag - press

3. Restart your computer with a minimal system configuration; disable any software running in the background. Remove all screensavers, anti-virus software, TSRs, and any other programs found in startup folders.

4. Download a new copy of the RealPlayer 5.0. The free RealPlayer is available from the following URL:

http://www.real.com/products/player/index.html

RealPlayer Plus 5.0 can be redownloaded from the PlusZone.

http://pluszone.real.com/

5. Run the installation program by double clicking on the appropriate .exe file. The files are listed below in case you need to use the Find tool. Be sure to close all software, including virus scanning software, prior to reinstalling.

- RP32_5b1.EXE Windows 32-bit RealPlayer 5.0 - P32PP5b1.EXE Windows 32 bit RealPlayer Plus 5.0 - P32UP5b1.EXE Windows 32-bit RealPlayer Plus 5.0 upgrade

If this fails to solve the problem, please note the behavior that occurs and use the reply function to let us know the problem continued. Please provide the following items of information:

- Which section of the installation program fails - Browsers installed on system - Modem - Winsock and Version - Listing of RealAudio and RealPlayer directories on system - Listing of RealAudio and RealPlayer program files - Current free hard drive space - Available RAM - Memory Manager, if applicable - CPU, including manufacturer, Mhz and whether it has an FPU - Description of any other odd behavior that you have observed about your system in the recent past.

Finally, please let us know if this knowledgebase article solved the problem you were having. This will help us in assisting others who use the RealPlayer. Thanks!

Application: RealPlayer 5.0,RealPlayer Plus 5.0 Article ID: RAP-000515-06 Last Updated: 1/6/98

The information provided in the RealNetworks Knowledge Base Is provided 'as is' without warranty of any kind. RealNetworks Disclaims all warranties, either expressed or implied, including the warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. In no event shall RealNetworks or its suppliers be liable for any damages whatsoever including direct, indirect, incidental, consequential, loss of business profits or special damages, even if RealNetworks or its suppliers have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or incidental damages so the foregoing limitation may not apply.

Copyright © RealNetworks Inc. and/or its licensors, 1995 - 1999 all rights reserved. RealAudio, RealVideo, RealMedia, RealSystem, and RealPlayer are trademarks of RealNetworks Inc.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 99 - 09:03 PM

I meant to address my last post to j0_77 who had mentioned the dll. Sorry about getting my jO's and joe's confused.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 01:13 AM

Thanks jon I already did all that stuff and searched out any other sources of err 'boobytrap' apps etc ...none - it is as I posted and what amazes me is that sometimes it is possible to trick windows into allowing this install to follow through. It is no suprise to me that RealAudio crashes so many machines. As it is certain there are many other users with this Award Bios in a VX chipset etc I will send RealAudio the details - err I may be mad at em fer fixin ma reg files (V 5) but I feel pain for any novice trying to deal with this. It is major crash stuff like - takes a reformat to fix under certain circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 01:48 AM

j0_77, It certainly sounds like something that Real do need to sort out (if only for the sake of others). I can offer no explaination as to why it is happening.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 02:25 AM

Attempts to install result with mild error messagtes to start - if user persists gets Blue Screens = several of em. Eventually you'll have a G2 player, but no system !!

If installed ( I can do it but why n hell should I ruin a clean w95 setup ) this is what happens. Real simple (pun ???) when RealPlayer runs it grabs memory space above but INCLUDING ffffffff - then when a PNP device for example Modem (ouuu is'nt that obvious) or Video (should be obvious but aint) needs to sneeze WHAM lockup = blue screen. The puter goes nuts and if it manages to write to disc in that state there can be 'violations' if locked solid BIOS is also unavailable. Kinda scary huh.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 12:54 PM

jO_77, I can apprecaite your frustration, it sounds quite nasty. As I suggested before, I think that you are likely to know a lot more than me on these issues but I have just run a system resource summary on my computer and FFFC000-FFFFFFFF is used by the System board extension for PnP Bios on my computer and Real Player G2 is running quite happily on mine!

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 08:41 PM

wow - in that case I must have a bad install file or something else is interupting the install and grabbing the space. Thanx for the help.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: wmormann@bellatlantic.net
Date: 28 Sep 99 - 10:48 PM

How do I get into realplayer? Is it a scam or is it real? I have been trying to get onto this system for about a week without results. The computer says it is installed but I get no sound, then when I check my system it says it is not installed.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: j0_77
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 01:15 AM

There are 2 different versions 1 RealPlayer G2 and 2 Realplayer V 5, which installs and runs ok on my Intel Triton VX system but G2 will not install unless forced but it hangs frequently.

I think you can get V 5 at the RealAudio site. BTW some RealAudio clips will not play on V 5 trial edition.


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 11:32 AM

j077, my memeory is getting bad and I have just remembered what happened, I upgraded from 5 to G2 to listen to the 1st episiode of Mudcat Radio and I did get a crash about 3/4 of the way through installation but amazingly enough the player itself still worked.

I have just taken a gamble and tried to reinstall the program to report what happens to you mine intallation programs crashes with the following info:

SETUP caused an invalid page fault in
module at 0000:70984237.
Registers:
EAX=00000001 CS=014f EIP=70984237 EFLGS=00010213
EBX=00002710 SS=0157 ESP=01cafe28 EBP=01cafe50
ECX=c3dc4834 DS=0157 ESI=00730fa4 FS=2dd7
EDX=815ba988 ES=0157 EDI=00730fa4 GS=0000

I have just tried to listen to Mudcat episode 4 and my new installation is again working.

I give up one this. There obviously is a problem with the installation program but I think that it will take Real to sort it out.

Good Luck!

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Rex
Date: 10 May 00 - 01:40 PM

I couldn't get my RealAudio to work. Kept getting messages that files were missing. Then I would try to download them as suggested but nothing would happen. Then later I got a message that this version had expired and I would have to load everything again. So I was going to post about it and found this discussion. Well after reading it I cleared out all the RealAudio stuff and downloaded the MediaPlayer. It's in and working I guess but when I go to a website that has the RealAudio files I can't get MediaPlayer to see them. RealAudio would come up when you started the computer and would engage when you click on a music web files. (Of course then, it wouldn't do anything.) How do I get MediaPlayer to do this? Or can it do this? The impression I had was that it was the equivalent to RealAudio. True or no? Alas, I had downloaded the first RealAudio that just did sound files. No video. It didn't take up many megabytes, or take fifteen minutes to load, and it worked fine. I wish there were something like that still available. I don't need to see streaming video files or whatever. Just want to be able to get the sound files I see on web sites. I've wasted quite a bit of time trying to do this. Can anyone help out there?

Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: MMario
Date: 10 May 00 - 01:50 PM

rex, what browser? you need to mark the file types as to heper you are useing, but the procedure is different from prowser to browser and different versions of the browser...


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Rex
Date: 10 May 00 - 02:01 PM

Thanky for your reply MMario. I'm using Internet Explorer 4.0. I should have said that before. I had thought that if everything involved were Microsoft products, then it would work together easier. Well it was a thought anyway!

Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 May 00 - 03:02 PM

Hi, Rex - If you're using Windows and you've got a Pentium faster than 166 Mhz, I think you might consider uninstalling your Media Player, and RealPlayer. Then upgrade the browser to MSIE 5.0 (which includes an updated Media Player, version 6.xx). Then download and install the latest (free) version of RealPlayer. I had them all working together nicely with a Pentium 133 with 32 MB of memory, but I think you need a Pentium 166 for the latest RealPlayer. They all work together fine on my new computer.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 May 00 - 06:32 PM

Hey, Rex - Click here for some information that may help you.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Rex
Date: 11 May 00 - 12:33 PM

Well Joe, I sure appreciate the info. I have kicked up the speed on this beastie with a new processor and added memory so its above the limits you say. I've been meaning to upgrade the IE to 5.0 but haven't. Gee, the old 4.0 still works and I was afraid to mess with it. Alright, who's making the chicken clucking sounds? So I guess I had better get to it. I'll let you know how things turn out when I get it down.

Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Pene Azul
Date: 11 May 00 - 02:07 PM

Rex, according to MediaPlayer's help file it will play Real files v. 4.0 or earlier. For Mudcat Radio you need RealPlayer G2 or 7 (thanx to Jon for reminding me of this). You can directly download the free RealPlayer 7 here. When I install it I only associate it with RealPlayer content. Make sure all of your old Real stuff is gone before you install, including the browser plugins. Keeping your IE4 should be no problem (though I like IE5).

PA


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Subject: RE: BS: RealAudio OR M/S MediaPlayer comments
From: Rex
Date: 12 May 00 - 11:16 AM

Alright Pene, it looks like I'm going to have to run RealAudio afterall. Durn it. I would like to have something that just plays audio. But I will install IE 5.0 first and then get the RA 7. I have cleaned out all the old RA files. At least so far as I can tell. Thanks for your help.

Rex


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