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Where was Margaret Stewart from?

Roberto 22 Aug 11 - 11:49 AM
GUEST 22 Aug 11 - 12:13 PM
Jim Carroll 22 Aug 11 - 01:01 PM
BobKnight 22 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM
Roberto 22 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Aug 11 - 04:52 AM
BobKnight 23 Aug 11 - 08:14 PM
GUEST,James Stewart Maggie Stewarts Grandson 08 Oct 11 - 03:32 PM
BobKnight 08 Oct 11 - 09:51 PM
BobKnight 08 Oct 11 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,so maggie stewart's aunty MAGGIE CROLL 11 Oct 11 - 05:55 PM
BobKnight 11 Oct 11 - 06:07 PM
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Subject: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: Roberto
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:49 AM

I mean the Margaret Stewart Hamish Henderson collected The Dowie Dens of Yarrow from, number 22 of Bronson for #214. Alison McMorland & Peta Webb based their recording of the ballad on this Margaret Stewart's version. Was she from Fife? And is it possible to listen to her recording? Please, help. Thanks. R


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 12:13 PM

Try www.tobarandualchais.co.uk They have a welth of good stuff. Whither this song version? I don't know but it's worth a look if this the kind of big ballads or Muckile Sangs you are interested in, this site should take you about 3 days to have a quick listen to.


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 01:01 PM

The Margaret Stewart who is featured on 'The Muckle Sangs' singing Little Sir Hugh is described as being Jeannie Robertson's aunt, though surprisingly, there is no background information on her.
If it is the same lady, presumably she was from Aberdeenshire.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: BobKnight
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM

You could try contacting Tony Robertson, Stanley's son through the Elphinstone Institute at Aberdeen University. Maggie Stewart was my grandfather's sister, as was Maria Stewart, Jeannie's mother. I only ever saw her two or three times when I was a very small child, but I know that Stanley and the Robertson family talk/talked about "aunty Maggie," quite often as regards learning songs from her.


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: Roberto
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 04:41 PM

Thanks a lot to all three, Guest, Jim Carroll and Bob Knight. R


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:52 AM

A couple of references to her in Porter's and Gower's "Jeannie Robertson; Emergent Singer, Transformative Voice", in reference to her influenceon Jeannie's singing notably;
"They also heard their aunt, Margaret Stewart, who was celebrated in the community for her fine singing voice and vast collection of songs inherited from her mother".
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: BobKnight
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 08:14 PM

I know my great-grandfather William Stewart,(auld Bill) is buried in Allenvale cemetery, in Aberdeen. His wife, my great-grandmother was Mary Croll, and they had quite a large family, including Maggie and Maria Stewart, Jeannie Robertsons mother. Maggie lived in Aberdeen most of her life as far as I know, so I hope that answers the question of where she came from.


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: GUEST,James Stewart Maggie Stewarts Grandson
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:32 PM

Hi my grandmother maggie stewart

yes she was Jeannie Robertson'\s aunty and I was in the house when Hamish Henderson Recorded some of my grandmothers songs the sung a song young hugh to an old air Ye Banks and Breas o bonny doune. but the same song was called Sir Hugh and the Jew's Daughter.

yes Maggie Stewart died at the age of 80 years old and Stanley Robertson Recorded some of her storys and Ballads. Maggie Stewart was a Composser of Folk songs she recorded to Hamish Henderson but Stanley Robertson would not touch her hard work in her home made family songs becouse the songs she had compossed she give then to me her grandson James Stewart.

The wee house in the Country, was a song that Stanley Robertson sung a lot but he would not put it on an LP without Maggie Stewart's help in getting it recorded. The Shooting Green's was one of her songs about my granduncle, he was Maggie Stewart's Brother Davie Stewart that owned a farm up on top O' Shooting Greens as Davie he was my Grand uncle, also an uncle to Jeannie Robertson the Ballad folk Singer from Aberdeen.

My GrandMother Maggie Stewart was Born at the Loch O' the Lee's outside Banchory in the year of 1902 and died in Aberdeen in the year of 1983 aged 80 years old. she lived in Forfar for years when Hamish Henderson went to Forfar to Record some of the Stewarts and Maggie Stewart was just one of them same family of Folk singers.

it took me a long time to do my Family tree and I know where most of my grandmothers cousings are and her neices, who they are, as Hamish Henderson Recorded them all , but not me as I was just 15 years old and sent into a childreans homes in Aberdeenshire.

Sheila Stewart and Jess Smith tells the Storys of travelling peoples children getting up lifted from travelling peoples camps in Aberdeenshire and all over the Perthshire glens well. its true in what they are saying, I was just one off them travelling children that was lifted 18 years in a childrens home was no fun, gust cruelty to children. I did not know who was my family of Stewart's Robertson's and the Mc Donald's untill now. I know, in the year of 1952 before I was born Hamish Henderson was doing some Ballad recordings on the travelling people. well I was not born then I was sent into a chilrens home at the age of 4 years old and did not come out untill I was 15 years old.

Maggie Stewart Her grandson James Stewart.

Line breaks added--mudelf


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: BobKnight
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:51 PM

James, my grandfather, "Shooting Hill" Davy was Maggies brother.

As regards the other thing you mentioned, the taking of traveller children by the "authorities" is something I'm only just finding out about.

For those of you who are unaware of this disgraceful and inhumane episode in Scottish history, during the 1950's and 60's, and perhaps earlier too for all I know, Scottish travellers endured a "mini-holocaust" where traveller children were lifted form campsites and put into care. Some were sent abroad to Canada, and I presume Australia too. Many have only found out recently of their traveller families. One woman I know, in her early fifties, has only just met her brother and sister in the last few months, but sadly too late to be re-united with her parents as they are both deceased.

One traveller, Sandy Stewart has written a book about his experiences, and it's time those responsible were exposed.


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: BobKnight
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:02 PM

Correction: The book is by Sandy Reid, called, "Never To Return." I have discovered another written by Patsy Whyte, called "No Easy Road." grand niece of Betsy Whyte, who wrote "Yellow On The Broom." Patsy, like Sandy was taken from her family in the 1950's.


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: GUEST,so maggie stewart's aunty MAGGIE CROLL
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 05:55 PM

maggie stewart grandson james stewart,

sandy reid his aunty martha reid married to allan stewart. he was my mother betsy stewarts brother sandy reid (never to return book.) sandy his cousings Elizabeth, and Martha and Allan they are James Stewarts Grand children.

my long lost cousings Sandy reid his mother was my aunty martha. the children od davie stewart and martha reid, sandy reid his aunty martha, my uncle Allan stewart he married her in banchory ternan church in 1956, at that time I was aged twe years old.

sandy reids grandmother martha reid died under her name Martha Mc Kenzie died at the age of 81 one at Kerriemuir by forfar. I am hoping that sandy gets this across as he phoned me for his grandmothers death lines. james stewart was my grandfather, my mother was betsy stewart, her father james stewart a travelling man, called big jimmy ma hungery as known by travelling people. his father was frank stewart died in stonhaven in 1931. frank stwart brother was david stewart his wife was maggie croll, she married david stewart, my great grand uncle, up in fourge by huntly.

maggie croll her father was a man called frances croll and janet croll was her mother. So that makes maggie stewart the folk Ballad singer and storyteller (the) neice to david stewart that married maggie croll. maggie stewart the ballad singer and storyteller, her mother was mary croll and father william stewart. Maggie croll was the sister to mary croll. my mother betsy stewart, family tree, Sandy reid his cousin's they are my cousings as allan stewart married martha stewart m. s. reid ...mckenzie

from Maggie Stewart's Grandson James Stewart.

Line breaks added --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Where was Margaret Stewart from?
From: BobKnight
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 06:07 PM

Traveller family trees are a nightmare, big families, with very few names. :)


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