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Help to identify a folk song-poison berries

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BONNIE TAMMY
BONNIE WEE CROODLIN DOO
HENRY MY SON
LORD RANDAL
LORD RONALD


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GUEST,Jon 28 Aug 11 - 08:44 PM
mg 28 Aug 11 - 10:36 PM
Doug Chadwick 28 Aug 11 - 10:43 PM
mg 28 Aug 11 - 11:27 PM
GUEST 29 Aug 11 - 05:09 AM
Joe Offer 29 Aug 11 - 01:56 PM
TheSnail 29 Aug 11 - 03:06 PM
Paul Davenport 29 Aug 11 - 04:58 PM
Jim Carroll 30 Aug 11 - 03:37 AM
Kevin Sheils 30 Aug 11 - 02:39 PM
Joe Offer 30 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM
GUEST,Donna, Cudworth, Barnsley 05 Apr 14 - 06:18 PM
GUEST 05 Apr 14 - 06:44 PM
GUEST,Belgy1972 22 Nov 17 - 01:27 PM
GUEST,Mark Bluemel 23 Nov 17 - 05:48 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Nov 17 - 06:25 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Help to identify a folk song
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 08:44 PM

Hi,
I remember (very vaguely i'm afraid) singing a song around a campfire when i was young.
The song was about a son who had eaten some poison berries.
Any ideas about which song this might be ?
Jon


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help to identify a folk song
From: mg
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 10:36 PM

not the one about poison beans is it?

Henry my son..

What did she feed you henry my son etc. mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help to identify a folk song
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 10:43 PM

The "Henry my son" that I know is about eating eels that turned out to be snakes - but it is a really good campfire song. It's basically a reworking of "Lord Randal".


DC


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: mg
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 11:27 PM

in one version it is definitely poison beans. mg


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 05:09 AM

Yes that's the one. Fantastic - thanks guys!!


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 01:56 PM

There are so many interestingly grisly variations of this song. Jon, now that we've enlightened you, can you find something close to the version you heard, or can you recall any other snippets?

Did you sing a "mother make my bed soon" version?

What was the gist of the story in your song? Did the girlfriend poison him with berries? Did he disinherit her?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 03:06 PM

Was it the one mentioned in thia thread?


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 04:58 PM

Who gave you poison berries, Henry my boy?
Father gave them to me sweet mother
So make my bed, I've got a pain in my head
And I want to lie down and die
So goodbye, dear mother, goodbye

Coll. 1994, Maltby, South Yorkshire UK
from 12 yr old Jodie Booth who learned it from her grandfather
Pub. South Riding Song Book - 1996

Any help?


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 11 - 03:37 AM

AS Doug Chadwick says, Lord Rndal (Child 12).
The East London childrens' version the chorus

Muvver be quick cos I wanna be sick,
And lay me down and die.

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 30 Aug 11 - 02:39 PM

We had a parrot called Henry.

'Cause he was green and yellow


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Subject: ADD Version: Henry My Son
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM

How many people caught the joke in Henry's name, Kevin?

-Joe-

P.S. Paul Davenport, thanks for that version. I don't think it has been posted here. If you'd like to post the whole thing, that would be a very nice contribution. Maybe that version is very similar to this one from the Musical Traditions CD, The Birds Upon the Tree:

5.  Henry my Son (Roud 10, Child 12, Greig 209, Sharp 4)
Fred Jordan.  Washwell Cottage, Corve Dale, Shropshire, 1964.

'Where have you been all day, Henry my son?
Where have you been all day, my beloved one?'
'In the meadow, in the meadow.
Oh, make my bed, I've a pain in my head,
And I want to lie down.'

'Who gave you poison berries, Henry my son?
Who gave you poisoned berries, my beloved one?'
'Sister, mother.  Sister, mother.
Make my bed, I've a pain in my head,
And I want to lie down.'

'What will you give your father, Henry my son?
'What will you give your father, my beloved one?'
A rope to hang him, a rope to hang him.
Make my bed, I've a pain in my head,
And I want to lie down.'

'What will you give your mother, Henry my son?
'What will you give your mother, my beloved one?'
'All my jewels, all my jewels.
Make my bed, I've a pain in my head,
And I want to lie down.'

'How will you have your grave, Henry my son?
How will you have your grave, my beloved one?'
'Deep and narrow, deep and narrow.
Oh, make my bed, I've a pain in my head,
And I want to lie down.'

Professor Child called this Lord Randal and gives over a dozen examples.  Attempts have been made in the past to try to tie this ballad to an actual event, usually to the family of Ranulf, sixth Earl of Chester (d.1232), but as it is known in one form or another all over Europe, this has never been successful.  Child noted that the ballad was popular in Italy c.1629, so it is probably quite an old story.  Like the ballad Edward (Roud 200.  Child 13), we have little idea of what actually lies behind this apparently motiveless murder.  Not that this has bothered singers, who continue to enjoy the piece.  Usually we find that the ballad's victim has been poisoned by eating either 'sma fish', snakes or eels.  But Fred's version, with its 'poison berries', reminds us of another Shropshire version, Ray Driscoll's The Wild, Wild Berry (EFDSS CD02 A Century of Song).  There are quite a number of other versions available at the moment, including those by George Spicer (MTCD 311-2), George Dunn (MTCD 317-8), Gordon Hall (Country Branch CBCD095) and Joe Heaney (Topic TSCD518D - this latter being sung in Irish).  Jeannie Robertson's superb version, Lord Donald, is regretfully only available in a truncated form (along with similar versions from Elizabeth Cronin, Thomas Moran, Colm McDonagh and Eirlys & Eddis Thomas) on the CD Classic Ballads of Britain & Ireland - volume 1 (Rounder CD 1775).


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: GUEST,Donna, Cudworth, Barnsley
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 06:18 PM

My Dad sung this song once to me when i was around 10 yrs old. I'd never heard such a moving song and had tears rolling down my cheeks. After many searches my aunty recalled the song as having learned it in the childrens home they were placed in at Nether Orf. A lasting memory for them as children an me to as my fathers daughter


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 06:44 PM

Nether Orf is not far from Folk Orf.


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: GUEST,Belgy1972
Date: 22 Nov 17 - 01:27 PM

I remember the poison berries version from when I was a child and have been looking for the version mentioned at the start myself, it is not the one above as the end line is.
Just like my head is thumping in my bed i will lay down and die or similar to this anyway.

I know we’ve moved on from this but it’s doing my nut in hahaha


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 23 Nov 17 - 05:48 AM

Green and yeller
Green and yeller
Oh mother be quick, I wanna be sick
and lay me down to die.

From the Yetties, I think..


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Subject: RE: Help to identify a folk song-poison berries
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 17 - 06:25 AM

Traditional adult version HERE
Jim Carroll


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