BS: I voted for Obama, but...

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:35 PM

"I voted for Obama, but" it did not count because I'm a Canadian:)

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Janie
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:30 PM

Well said, Bill D.

As usual.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:10 PM

Where do you get the notion the US is bombing Yemen? I just checked Al Jazeera and they have not, and do not, carried anything on this. The Yemeni Defense Minister survived the second attack on his life by a suicide bomber, but nothing about the US bombing Yemen.

Please cite your source -- I'm really interested, and I'm not being sarcastic.

As for Obama, I think he'll be the best choice next year -- sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:04 PM

Obama doesn't HAVE "foreign war policies", other than making 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' judgments about developing situations. Hitler had "foreign war policies"....and to a lesser extent, Bush had "foreign war policies". Obama is juggling 14 balls, and trying to counter asinine criticism at home while he tries to decide whether to drop balls 9 & 12. Gee... why doesn't he just read Mudcat and see that several local experts have it all figgered out!

And you are correct, Kucinich and Ron Paul would have "foreign war policies"...one policy fits all. Slogan: "stay out of everything unless we are directly attacked". Very neat...and wouldn't various forces & countries around the world LOVE to hear that they had at least 4 years of Paul or Kucinich "foreign -non-war policies" to bank on? Like that diplomatic blunder when we 'indicated' to Saddam that we "had no interest" in what happened to Kuwait. KaBOOM!

If you armchair pundits were getting the daily briefings that Obama is, you 'might' see it ain't that easy.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Janie
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:55 PM

LH, I think if Kennedy had lived long enough to serve out his terms, you would have been sorely disappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Janie
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:52 PM

I voted for Obama also. Given the choices available he was the best candidate for the job. Given the choices that will be available in the next election, I think it likely he will be the best candidate for 2012 also.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:34 PM

Yup. That's the 900-lb gorilla in the room. The Israeli/Palestinian problem. And then there's the oil.

I think there are huge forces in play steering American policy that no American president can do much about, except at dire peril of losing his own life while in office. I'm not surprised that Obama has done so little to live up to the enormous expectations people had of him...I'm just disappointed. But it was clear even before he got elected that he was going to continue the basic imperial policies in regards to both foreign wars and Israel. He's doing what the military and the corporations want him to do, in my opinion, and that's what they all do once elected. Or they die in office.

John Kennedy died in office. I think he was the last president who dared to oppose the military-industrial complex.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:16 PM

BTW, in case ya'll hadn't noticed but if Jesus was president He'd be in the same trick bag as every American president finds himself when it comes down to the Israeli/Palestinian slobber-knocker..

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:11 PM

Okay, ya'll... Send in the Marines and grunts to get killed... That's the alternative...

But, yeah, if we had better foreign policies then we wouldn't be having this discussion... We need to realize that the largest reason that we have folks wanting to mess *US* up is because of the Israeli/Palestinian situation... Solve it and we turn the corner...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:06 PM

Bobert, our military people commit terrorist acts. And they have been doing so for a long time. Are you in favour of "taking them out" too? The Third World people who fight them are called "terrorists" or "insurgents" when they resist foreign occupation of their own lands...whether it be by the USA, Great Britain, Canada or Israel...plus other members of what are, in truth, colonial powers of the western alliance, which is NATO and Israel.

The colonies of that alliance aren't officially called "colonies" anymore, but that's what they are, and it's done to control oil and other vital resources and to enable strategic positioning in regards to competitors in the game of empire such as Russia and China.

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I have also been utterly opposed to Obama's foreign war policies ever since he was elected. I suspect McCaine would have been as bad or even worse. The only politicians I can think of who really have stood up against those war policies are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:48 PM

Tell the people in Yemen that war is obsolete. Convince them that drones are superior to hand-do-hand fighting.

The war on terrorism is a lie. If Muslim terrorists are such a threat, then how many Jewish synagogues were blown up today in the U.S.? How many this month? This year? It's all a lie, concocted to take away your rights.

And it looks as if Obama is going along with the lie just as willingly as Bush did.

Obama needs a primary challenger, one who's opposed to the wars that are helping to bankrupt America. Dennis Kucinich comes to mind. He's anti-war.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:31 PM

Here's the deal...

War as we know it is obsolete... It has become state-of-the-art... Drones... Hey, I'd much rather see *US* using drones than sending one wave of kids after another up a hill to get killed...

If we have intelligence that folks are out to commit terrorist acts then take them out... Just be darned sure that the intelligence is accurate...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: kendall
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:22 PM

The news tonight featured a business that makes wreaths for the graves of fallen military. A spokeswoman stated that is is so good to live in a country where there are no bombs falling! If I knew who she is I'd educate her.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: kendall
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:14 PM

I agree.

War is like drugs so easy to get into and so hard to get out of.
We have been in the war business for many years.

Subject: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 06:53 PM

I don't like his warmongering.

Why the hell is he bombing Yemen? And why did he say he didn't need congressional approval to bomb Libya? I hated Bush's baseless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Obama's continued those and begun even more.