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Copper Family Recordings

ChrisJBrady 30 Sep 11 - 05:59 AM
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Subject: Copper Family Recordings
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 05:59 AM

Re: the Copper Family

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Family

Is there a definitive list of Copper Family recordings? I'm thinking of those made in the Bob Copper era and earlier. The Wiki entry is not complete.

Are there any 78s? Maybe not cylinders though!!

I know about the superb LP set put out by Bill Leader. I have a mint set - unplayed. Is it ever going to be re-issued or are the masters locked away mouldering in the Bullmer wharehouse?

What about the Topic lps and Folktrax cassettes? Are they to be re-issued on CD?

Then there are the various Beeb radio programmes. Does anyone have copies of the vintage recordings mentioned in Wiki:

Quote: "In 1950, Jim and Bob were invited to sing on an episode of the BBC Radio programme Country Magazine and, over the next few years, the BBC would record them further, even producing a feature The Life Of James Copper, broadcast in September 1951."

If only those were available again!!!

Then there are the films made by Alan Lomax:

Quote: "Together, Jim, John, Ron and Bob sang at the Royal Albert Hall and wider public attention followed the broadcast of a six-part television series Song Hunter, presented by Alan Lomax and featuring Jim, Bob and Ron. Bob wrote several books about the family and its songs"

Does anyone have a copies of "Song Hunter."

Then there's the various arts and music programmes put out by the BBC. I know the Beeb has the "Arena" programme featuring the Copper Family from the early 1980s - but this hasn't seen the light of day since its first transmission. The current Coppers would LOVE a copy of that. It is not mentioned in Wiki.

Actually I was at the Central Club in Peacehaven when the Beeb filmed that - I'm actually in the programme!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(TV_series)

Then there is the film of the Coppers made by Barry Callaghan. Again this is not mentioned in Wiki. All of Barry's "Garland Films" were bought by one Chris Metherell although he claims that the EFDSS owns the rights to the Copper Family film. An email to EFDSS elicited the reply that there is no money for a re-release of this onto DVD. Email: info@efdss.org to add weight to the requests to re-issue this.

BTW I wonder where the master(s) are being kept? Are they with the BFI?

Incidentally there is a little charity shop called PARC in Rottingdean which put out a fund-raising CD of local artists and this included two Copper's tracks. One was the especially funny story of Ron and Bob bringing home the Christmas goose - cooked in the village bakery - and taking a short cut across the frozen village pond - when the ice cracked ...

http://www.clickcharityshops.co.uk/classified-charity-shop11546.asp

CJB


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 06:02 AM

Folks here might not know that there is a fRoots feature from the 1980s at:

http://www.frootsmag.com/content/features/old-coppers/

http://www.frootsmag.com/content/features/old-coppers/page02.html

I wonder where the original tapes are - they would be good online so as to hear these guys describing the singing and songs that they so loved.


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 06:03 AM

Further thoughts are - I wonder if anyone has any bootleg tapes of early Copper performances that could go to the Lost Folk Tapes project?


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

The Wikipedia article has a link to the official Copper Family website which has their complete discography.


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: Susan of DT
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 08:01 AM

I have:
Folk Legacy FSB19 Bob and Ron Copper
Leader LEAB404 Song for Every Season
Topic          Come Write Me Down


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 11:45 AM

Thanks for the link to the fRoots online reprint.

~ Becky in Long Beach


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:11 PM

The complete discography does not detail the video footage - both professional and amateur. The former includes the Beeb's "Arena," the film made by Barry Callaghan of Garland Films, and there is also a filmed interview with John Copper floating around the web (I have a copy but cannot find the source - YouTube?). CJB.


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:12 PM

Then there's the Alan Lomax t.v. recordings, and the Coppersongs prog. on BBC2 (2004). There's must be loads of others.


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: Vic Smith
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 01:04 PM

I am working with the Copper Family on the technical side of a new multimedia show concerning the contact between the Copper Family and the media - mainly radio & television - since their first live broadcast at the Six Bells at Jevington in 1951.
The show will have its premiere at the Lewes Folk Festival on Sunday 9th October, though this show is already sold out.
I have many hours of studio recordings of the family - mainly of Bob - of the many contributions that they made to the BBC Radio Sussex folk music programme, Minstrels Gallery, which I presented between 1972 and 1997. I also have recordings of some of the nights at the Coppersongs Folk Club at the Central Club in Peacehaven from its start in 1971 and I was the compere.


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 01:07 PM

Does anyone have a DVD of the BBC 4 Coppersongs prog. please?

Also I have emailed the good folks at Folkstream about the Alan Lomas t.v. series.

(Incidentally loads of good films at Folkstreams:

http://www.folkstreams.net/?list=1


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 01:11 PM

Hi Vic. - wonderful news. I remember the broadcasts from when I used to live in Brighton - ooer - too many years ago now!!

But if you could only upload your recordings to the web... !!!! Maybe at the LostFolkTapes web site run by FolkPolice?

http://www.lostfolktapes.com/index.html


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: Alio
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 06:51 PM

Will your production go on to a CD or DVD Vic, so that we can all enjoy it? That would be brilliant!
Ali x


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 01:29 AM

When I reviewed Bob's A Song For Every Season for The Times Educational Supplement on its first appearance, I got a letter, 12 Nov 71, from him in response to a point I had made about possible toning-down of some content for singing in the home. He wrote me a most interesting letter including a fragment of family's version of Saucy Sailor, not previously known I think as one of their songs, and I had some correspondence with him about it. I wrote it all up as a note for Folk Music Journal which appeared in issue of 1989.

If anyone has difficulty in accessing this issue and would like full details of the letter, the fragmentary song & its tune, please PM me, or email [mgmyer@keme(dot)co.uk], with steam-mail address, & I will gladly send a copy of the FMJ note.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 05:09 AM

There is this little podcast:

http://www.stirrings.co.uk/CmeetsC/index.html

http://www.stirrings.co.uk/CmeetsC/shows/John_copper.flv

Go to the first link. Then with the second link do a right mouse click / save as...

FLV files can be played best with VLC or any no. of free media players.

Whilst it is 88MB, the sound track in MP3 (128kbps) is only 16MB so could be emailed (its under the 20MB limit).


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Subject: RE: Copper Family Recordings
From: Vic Smith
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 07:14 AM

Alio asked:-
"Will your production go on to a CD or DVD Vic, so that we can all enjoy it? That would be brilliant!
Ali x "


I suppose that is a possibility. All that has been said so far is that if it does go well in Lewes this Sunday, we will think about evaluating and developing the show to take to folk festivals and clubs. etc.


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