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BS: Wall Street Protesters...
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Oct 11 - 06:28 PM 500! I never had one before! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 24 Oct 11 - 06:36 PM Oops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:32 PM You been "wronged", Richard... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:24 PM Hmm. Occupy Wall Street was the brainchild of Adbusters, an anti-consumerist magazine based in Vancouver, British Columbia. Last July they declared that on September 17, 2011 they would begin the protest. Adbusters is partly financed by multi-billionaire George Soros' Tides Foundation. Several labor unions are involved in the OWS protests. One of them is the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). Former SEIU official Stephen Lerner spoke last March about bringing down the stock market and destabilizing the nation... Read it for yourself. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/6808-former-union-official-exposes-plot-to-collapse-us-economy OWS is far from spontaneous and leaderless and unorchestrated and all that. Soros. You don't get much more establishment than that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:39 PM 1. The article you posted mentions the word "soros" exactly 0 times. 2. The best you can find online to support your view is a few pieces talking about 'possible' 'indirect' links between soros and adbusters. 3. If anyone wants to try and put together a convincing argument that the movements in Greece, Egypt, Hong Kong etc were orchestrated by an anti capitalist publication in America, they are free to try, but they may find it hard. 4. The idea that a billionaire capitalist would encourage a Mass movement aimed specifically at reducing the power of billionaire capitalists is clearly nonsense anyway - typical right wing audacity, intended to bog the debate down in spurious bull****, masqueradiing as serious commentary. The story of these 'links' is not worth any attention, nor the alleged 'implications' (which are what anyway?) No story folks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:41 PM Hundreds of millions$$$$ from the Koch brothers, health insurance companies, FreedomWorks bought the Tea Party and own the deed... To date, $300,000 in donations to OWS... Tell the truth, wrong-man... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:54 PM The link was to a piece about Lerner, not about Soros. There's a great new site called google, where you could type in, say, "Soros adbusters Tides" and learn all kinds of things. That's Google, with two Os. Koch/Soros. Same beast. Right wing, left. Corral the conservatives with the Tea Party, corral the liberals with OWS. Don't let them off the reservation. So, do I need to post my pictures again of Obama's party with the Silicon Valley moguls, where he thanked them for his new bloodless warfare system after Egypt? The CIA can now foment revolution almost anywhere it wants with psyops and Twitter. But fortunately the OWS people seem aware of this. CIA man Assange (of Wikileaks notoriety) received a lukewarm reception at one of the OWS events. The way the Twitter thing works is first Wikileaks releases some embarrassing "classified" stuff about the target government, then later Obama's CIA starts a "spontaneous uprising of youth" with Twitter. Again, use that new Google thing to piece all this together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:02 PM No, soros and kochs are NOT the same beast... The Kochs are spending 100X more in elections than is soros... There ahs already been a link here on this thread that I think TIA (maybe it was someone else) that has the figures... Just because you righties want to make soros a boogie man it isn't based on facts... It's mythology... In other words... It's a lie... Check out reality, wrongster!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:15 PM I detect the misappprehension that OWS likes Obama and the democrats. This is a mistake. OWS supports no political party. It criticizes all political parties for being stooges of billionaires. So post pictures of Obama in silicon Valley - thats exactly what OWS is attacking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:19 PM And as for google, did you not read this in my post ... the one you were 'responding' to ... "2. The best you can find online to support your view is a few pieces talking about 'possible' 'indirect' links between soros and adbusters." There's nothing of any substance, let alone significance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:21 PM Well, as an OWSer, I come from a Green Party background... Okay, I did vote for Obama "hoping" he would step to the plate against the corportists... He hasn't... Is he better than anyone the Repubns have in the running??? Yeah, he is... Is he going to take on the systemic problems that corporate America has created??? No... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:22 PM There's a great new site called google, where you could type in, say, "Soros adbusters Tides" and learn all kinds of things. Hot Damn! I read it on the Internet so it MUST be true! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:27 PM From an article about George Soros: George Schwartz was born in Hungary in 1930 — not the luckiest time and place to be born a Jew. George's father Theodore tried to change the family's fortunes by changing their name to something less Jewish-sounding. It didn't help. And soon war came. When the Nazis took total control of Hungary in 1944, the Holocaust followed. In two months, 440,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to death camps. To survive, George, then a teenager, collaborated with the Nazis. First he worked for the Judenrat. That was the Jewish council set up by the Nazis to do their dirty work for them. Instead of the Nazis rounding up Jews every day for the trains, they delegated that murderous task to Jews who were willing to do it to survive another day at the expense of their neighbours. Theodore hatched a better plan for his son. He bribed a non-Jewish official at the agriculture ministry to let George live with him. George helped the official confiscate property from Jews. By collaborating with the Nazis, George survived the Holocaust. He turned on other Jews to spare himself. George moved to London after the war and then to New York, where he became a stockbroker. He's rich now. Forbes magazine says he's the 35th richest man in the world. Maybe you've heard of him. He goes by the name his father invented: George Soros. How does Soros feel about what he did as a teenager? Has it kept him up at night? Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? "Not at all," Soros answered. "No feeling of guilt?" asked Kroft. "No," said Soros. "There was no sense that I shouldn't be there. If I wasn't doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt." A Nazi would steal the Jews' property anyways. So why not him? That moral hollowness has shaped Soros' life. He's a rabid critic of capitalism, but in 1992 when he saw a chance, he speculated against the British pound, causing it to crash, devastating retirement savings for millions of Britons. Soros pocketed $1.1 billion for himself. If he didn't do it, someone else would, right? http://itmakessenseblog.com/2011/01/28/george-soros-says-he-feels-no-remorse-for-collaborating-with-nazis-during-wwii-to-send-hi I don't like the Koch bros, but I don't like Soros either. Right now he's trying to destory the European Union. Millions will die if he succeeds. See...this is what OWS is supposed to be about. Soros has to be brought down with the Koch's, right? If that can't be accepted, then OWS is indeed partisan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:30 PM You got it, Greg... The right wing has hundreds of paid blogger son their payrolls and their only job is to fuck with people by speading as many lies and propaganda as possible over the internet... But the right wing is also the corporations (not who) that have the BIG $$$ to spend on this kinda stuff... The left doesn't have the BIG $$$... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 24 Oct 11 - 09:48 PM Those of you who support OWS and who do not know about the tactics used by the Sioux to win the battle at the Little Big Horn better check some reliable sources and read up on it, because the same thing is happening to you here, imo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 24 Oct 11 - 10:12 PM Good analogy, brucie... Yeah, I get the heck outta what you are saying... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:04 AM From an article about George Soros: CORRECTION: From a hodge-podge of unsubstantiated rants posted on a right-wing blog hosted by a site dedicated to "Make[ing] us Better Informed to Counteract the Radical Revolution". Gimmie shelter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:06 PM Songwronger, I thought you were trying to prove the link between Soros and OWS? Your "article" doesn't mention adbusters once, let alone OWS. You say: "Soros has to be brought down with the Koch's, right? If that can't be accepted, then OWS is indeed partisan. " You seem to have ignored my answer before that OWS does not favour Soros but has a problem with corporatocracy (government by corporations) taking over from democracy (government by people). OWS doesn't care if the corporatocracy is run by Soros, the Kochs or Ronald McDonald - they are against corporatocracy and pro democracy. Got it yet? Besides which, as has been noted, the "artcle" you referred to isn't an article, it is an opinion on an ultra right wing blog withh no facts to back it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:17 PM Come on, Lox... Don't be that way... The right loves George Soros... He is their favorite boogie man... The reality that the Kochs outspend him 100 to 1 doesn't matter to them... He's all they have now that they used lies to strip Acorn... If Soros died tomorrow the right would go into a deep, deep depression... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Stringsinger Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:36 PM We were down at Occupy Atlanta on Monday singing peace, justice and labor songs. No amplification, just two of us and the traditional Pete Seeger style banjo. We had some impact. It's so important for unamplified singers to go down to your Occupy and support the people there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:45 PM I been playing drums at the rallies... Hey, it's acoustic but good and noisy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Stringsinger Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:53 PM Occupy Atlanta |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:07 PM "How come black folks aren't part of OWS?" is the latest crap to come out of the right.. So much for that MythTeology... This link alone shoots down that BIG LIE in flames... Thanks for your link, Strings... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:23 PM Songwronger's faith in the veracity of what he finds on Google is quite touching, but by searching Google, one can ALSO find "proof" for the notion that the earth is hollow and that we are ruled by a race of reptilians who evolved into super-intelligent beings from dinosaurs that survived the effects of the meteor impact 65,000,000 years ago by taking refuge in giant caverns and who now control us without our knowledge. Web sites on Google are sort of like verses in the Bible. A critical survey shows that they are varied and sufficiently contradictory that one can "prove" anything by carefully selecting the sites/verses that support one's position. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:50 PM Songwronger is out to lunch on this issue. Fagettabowtit. Good for you, Stringsinger. You are right that the OWS people need support and encouragement. Old adage in the military: it takes nine soldiers to keep one in the field. IMO, the best way to deal with the chain-yankers is to 1) briefly refute them (they ain't gonna read what we write anyway) 2) and then ignore them Dammit, we are right in supporting OWS. Those who don't are 1) wrong 2) not informed We still live in a world that watches reruns of the integration movement and wonders what they did wrong that allowed good laws to pass. Sheesh. The crap about Soros and Nazis: I got ten bucks that says most people would have played ball. Either that or Auschwitz. I read the 'article' and visited the site. I left a message on the site that likely won't be printed. (Misspelled congress as congree.) Anyway, if that's where this guy is getting his info from, it's no wonder to me that the elevator is only going up a floor and a half. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:25 PM George Soros, born in 1930, was less than ten years old when Hitler started invading other countries. He was fifteen when WWII came to an end. He was born in Budapest, Hungary into a Jewish family. He emigrated to England in 1947—at the age of seventeen. Tell me once again, Songwronger, about how he was Hitler's right-hand man in engineering the Holocaust. Indeed, in his early teens, he had a job as a gofer for the "Jewish Council." He was to deliver slips of paper to various Jews in the city, telling them to report to a particular location at 9:00 a.m. He showed the slips to his father, who recognized them, and told young Gyorgy to tell the people he delivered the slips to that if they DID report to the appointed place at the appointed time, they would be "deported." And that they had best make themselves very scarce!! I had a friend (gone now) who was a Hungarian Jew. He told me that when he was eight years old, his family had received such a warning, and escaped that night and made their way circuitously to the United States. He had friends whose families were rounded up and sent to the gas chambers. Bulletin, Songwronger! George Soros WAS, and IS, one of the GOOD GUYS! Learn to live with it! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:41 PM Yeah, George Soros supports pro-human causes while the Koch brothers buy political power that allows them to poison our water and pollute our air... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:15 PM Protestors were cleared from a park adjoining City Hall in Oakland, CA. The Huffington Post reports an Associated Press story that 37% of Americans support the protesters, but a Gallup poll indicates the majority of Americans don't know what the protests are about. The guy talking in the video on the Atlanta link is as loopy in one direction as Michelle Bachman is in the other. By New Years Day, I think the foofaraw will be over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:17 PM Oh geeze... More polls... I've heard 3 (mow 4) different ones... One poll that was on NBC last night had approval of OWS in th4e high 50s... Polls smolls... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:32 PM I do not trust Soros. It is true that he has speculated against the pound and also that he was locked in a speculation battle with the sultan of brunei who used his own fortune to prevent soros from damaging the economies of the asia pacific region for personal gain. I remember reading about it at the time. But this is a big red herring - OWS doesn't need Soros and I'm surprised anyone feels the need to stick up for him. He is the 1% and is happy for the status quo to remain as it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:36 PM I don't really give a rat's ass about George Soros... The thing is that he has become this symbol of the right that no matter what they do that is downright mean and stupid that they can't possibly as bad as Soros... I'd just like to see the right wing stand up on their policies without having to use made-up boogiemen on the left... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:11 PM Lox, Soros is, by no means, pure and lily-white. He came by his fortune by the usual Wall Street-style wheeling and dealing, and was once charged with insider trading, but he, like a number of billionaires—a small number, but there, nevertheless—is among those who are trying to redeem themselves by using their great wealth to do some good in the world. Two who occur to me off the top of my head (and a litte digging will turn up a number of others) are Bill Gates, who has given away something like $32 billion dollars so far, through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Ted Turner, who has given away a third of his fortune so far. When criticized by his fellow billionaires for his philanthropy (e.g., setting a good example for other billionaires), Turner responded, "For #$%&!@#!, who NEEDS that much money!??" I was responding to Songwronger's hysterical slanders about Soros' alleged activities aiding Hitler in sending his fellow Jews to the slave labor camps and gas chambers. A little simple arithmetic would have shown him how ridiculous that charge is. Wotthehell!! Soros was barely into his teens at the time! Whoever Songwronger got that from is little more than a wad of hate and lies. Let's take an occasional bow toward the Real World and give some credit where credit is due!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:15 PM Such a mishmash of idologies and terminologies. Does anyone here know what a democracy is? America has a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Democracy is rule by 51%. And consensus is defined as "Agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole." See, that's how you know that OWS is intended to fail. Everyone involved with the program talks about reaching "consensus," but they can't even agree on what they're protesting. It has something to do with Wall Street, because that's in the name, but then there's the environment and a hundred other issues. No "consensus" will ever be reached on anything. And it's meant to be that way. The intention of the organizers is to bleed off the political fervor of the protestors so that they are no longer a menace. That "consensus" talk on day one was the first red flag for me. OWS needs to focus on 3-4 items and distribute those nationwide. Tax financial transactions, reinstate Glass-Steagall, maybe nationalize the Federal Reserve. And trials. Lots of trials. Soros. He's part of the 1% and his crimes are many. Why flog that horse? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:21 PM YOU are the one flogging that particular horse, Songwronger. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:22 PM At this point the only people saying OWS has to focus are those who are NOT with OWS. We got no problem with the so-called lack of focus. Why do people who--if they wanted to help would--keep saying 'focus'? We're focused already, although maybe not on the things YOU find of import. Your fairly prescriptive 3-4 items leaves out one helluva lotta stuff that has to be corrected/rectified/recompensed. imo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:24 PM I'm starting to think like Don. Not a bad thing, but scary. lol Cross-posted with you, buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:36 PM Don-thinking is good, brucie... Songwronger, like his or her handle suggests, is bad... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:49 PM Constitutional Democracy. Even the Greeks were aware that pure democracy can quickly become tyrannical. A very good example of PURE democracy is a lynch mob. Hence, the Constitution, which not only limits the power of government, but protects the individual from the tyranny of the mob. I have recommended this book a number of times: First Democracy: The Challenge of an Ancient Idea, by Paul Woodruff. Despite its flaws (which many Greeks were aware of at the time), Greek democracy worked quite well; in many ways, better than ours. The final chapter in Woodruff's book bears the title, "Is America Ready for Democracy?" You see, Songwronger, I stayed awake in my high school civics classes and kept observing and learning since then. Yes, I know what Democracy should be, and how and WHY it so frequently falls short. As far as focus is concerned, OWS is way ahead of you. Don Firth P. S. Over and out. Got a busy evening ahead of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 25 Oct 11 - 10:05 PM Don, You describe Soros in a way that is comparable to a benevolent dictator. OWS has no beef with the individual, but is without any shadow of a doubt 100% opposed to the existence of any kind of dictatorship. The very fact of his complicity in the current status quo, whether he is a benevolent or malign influence, makes him part of the 1%. He isn't on our side until he limits his own salary, ensures all his employees have a fair wage, health insurance etc, and until he works to ensure that his profits are made without unnecessary damage to the environment, war etc. There are no billionaires on our team - this is a permanent struggle between the interests of billionaires and the interests of the rest of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Suffet Date: 25 Oct 11 - 10:26 PM The media first said that Occupy Wall Street was violent, but that didn't fly. So they said it was unsanitary, but that also proved to be a lie. Then they said it was rife with anti-Semitism and focused on an obvious plant plus a couple of LaRouche followers to prove their point, but that went nowhere. Next they claimed it was just a bunch of spoiled trust fund kids acting in concert with some union goons, but that was simply laughable. Now they are so desperate they are saying that OWS is too noisy and that drum circles will spell its doom. And at the same time they are saying that it's being controlled behind the scenes by (1) Barack Obama, (2) George Soros, (3) the Muslim Brotherhood, or (4) the teachers unions. Take your pick or add your own. To which I respond: Bull-fuckin'-shit! Even if the OWS encampment were to end this instant, there is no going back. The movement that it has inspired is here too stay. Get used to it! --- Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 10:44 PM Hear, hear, Steve! BINGO. Lox, damned good post. "We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." B Franklin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Oct 11 - 11:19 PM Songwronger- What is your personal knowledge of OWS? Have you been out here talking to any of us? (I spent the day in Pittsburgh in the shadow of the US Steel Tower). No, of course you have not. Your characterization is straight out of the Lamestream Faux News Right Wing False Outrage Echo Chamber. Come talk to us when you have your own knowledge and opinions. Buh-Bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Oct 11 - 11:22 PM Getting there and back, I talked to a flight attendant, a taxi driver, a policewoman, A Dunkin donuts server a civil engineer and a college kid who all understood the focus. Seems like it might be your problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Oct 11 - 11:31 PM Bobert- You got drumming elbow yet? Keep it up, but keep it healthy. TIA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:26 AM Focus. That's good. You'd better get focused, Tia, because your capital city just filed for bankruptcy. I'm glad to see that most OWS people are aware of the fake left/right stuff. The battle has ALWAYS been between the 1% and the 99%, not 50% vs 50%. They won't be able to pit us against one another much longer. FDR had the answer, largely, but then the modern presidents began tearing down what he put in place. Let's see...my most interesting discussion today was with a stockboy who told me all about Al Gore's energy-guzzling house in Tennessee. I would have argued with him, but I couldn't. I handed out some printouts about local votes coming up, and some printouts about the recent Saudi diplomat charade (the Obama administration is trying to build it up into a war with Iran, but no one's buying it)...the usual stuff. Handed out a pocket constitution, a couple of bumper stickers (Support the Troops, Bring them Home NOW). Typical day. Political activism is a way of life around here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:46 AM With all due respect, Lox, I believe you are reading more into what I wrote than I intended. My beef was with the totally wrong and basically slanderous ideas that Songwronger was trying to peddle about both Soros and his supposed control of OWS. I never said that Soros could heal the sick, raise the dead, and walk on water. What SW said was sheer Right Wing propaganda. Soros is in hot water with the Right Wing because Soros—like Warren Buffet—reacted positively to OWS, rather than condemning it outright like the rest of those in that lofty wealth bracket. "There are no billionaires on our team." Why, then, have Soros and Buffet made favorable comments about OWS? I don't know that they haven't offered financial support, but it they haven't, it is more than likely that they are aware that this, per se, would cast a cloud over the "grass roots" aspect of OWS and subject it to the same kind of criticism that has been levied at the Tea Party because of the involvement of the Koch Brothers. The Right Wing would leap on something like that with glee. In fact, they have already been making unsubstantiated claims along that line. And who said anything about Soros being a "dictator" to anything, ESPECIALLY OWS? Before ripping into Soros and ALL other wealthy people with unsubstantiated charges based on pigeon-hole type assumptions about the wealthy, you might want to read up a bit on people like Soros and Buffet from unbiased sources. Among other things, you might want to find out why Fox News hates Soros so much. Don Firth P. S. To Songwronger. " FDR had the answer, largely, but then the modern presidents began tearing down what he put in place." Yes, FDR did have the answer. But the presidents who began tearing down what FDR put in place was,first, Ronald Reagan. And then, every REPUBLICAN president since then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:36 AM "And who said anything about Soros being a "dictator" to anything, ESPECIALLY OWS?" Don, You are totally missing the point. We live in a corporatocracy - i.e. a system where billionaires and corporations have more political clout than ordinary people because they can buy it. OWS thinks we should be living in a democracy - i.e. a system where all people have equal political clout, regardless of whether they have money or not. Soros, may be a saint, but that does not change the fact that he has wildly disproportionate political influence. It is the imbalance in political enfranchisement and in wealth that is under scrutiny, not whether Soros is a nice guy. As nice or as mean as he might be, he cannot be on 'our side' - his existence as an example of the divide between the super rich and ordinary people is a matter of concern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Wesley S Date: 26 Oct 11 - 07:30 AM Occupy Atlanta was broken up last night by the police. The arrests were peaceful. The mayor was quoted as saying that an AK-47 was spoted in the crowd earlier in the day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Oct 11 - 07:51 AM Yeas Songwronger, Harrisburg is going under financially. Are you "focussed" enought to know why, or just being snarky? Find out why, and you will see more of what OWS is about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 09:11 AM Yeah, I find it interesting that so many of the OWS opponents haven't actually been to any of them??? No drummer's elbow, TIA, but "drummer's back"??? Different story... Don't think I'll be drumming this coming Saturday... B;~( |