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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:38 AM

How to make a life-long Activist in just a few easy moves...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:24 AM

OWS an organized marketing campaign?!?
Get your ass out here and look before you spout.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:57 AM

Thanks, LH. I appreciate the info regarding the song's authorship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:55 AM

dick - Okay. Sorry.

999 - Playboys and Playgirls was written by Bob Dylan in the early years (probably around 1962. He never recorded it, but I guess some other people did.

I hope this thing finally shakes the monied elite right off their ivory tower. Wouldn't that be something to see!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:54 AM

What's 'driving' the young people, GfS, is nothing to do with any advertising/non/anti-advertising campaign.

It is Loss of Hope. And when you feel that way, you start to get VERY angry, particularly when there is now a tool such as the internet to open the truth up to the world about how this has all happened.

This is just the beginning...there's a way to go yet, for sure. But it was one helluva of a beginning...

And don't forget, that so many will be losing their jobs soon, even more than at present, so many will be losing their houses, have already lost them....But you will have empty houses out there with no-one to buy them....

Today it was announced on the local BBC News that there are around 3,000 people in North Devon on the Housing Waiting List, that is, waiting for the Council to house them, for they cannot afford to buy or rent homes of their own any longer.

There are NINE houses available for the 3,000.

Do the Math.

Then do the Anger Math.

Work out what is going to happen, when even MORE will lose their homes, as they know will come to pass....

Anger will spill over into Violence, for as Bruce says so often, if you have nothing to lose, then you feel you have everything to gain..


It is my belief we are now in the middle of World War III.

It became a SIN to have an opinion, to be politically incorrect...and the Thought Police were all over anyone who dared to stand up and say "Hang on, Your Emperor is Stark Bloody Naked!!!"

I know. I tried it umpteen times and the Wrath of Mudcat and The English Folk World rained down upon me...People told me I was a nutter, thick, stupid, ignorant...


Well.......................................


The kids don't have a life expectation as you and I did. They are going to have a LONGER life in years, yes, but they have no hopes of starting life with no debt, saving for a home, buying that home, raising their family in it, having A LIFE!!

ALL they can see is The Conveyer Belt of Life that has been invented for them by The Corporate Bastards.

Well, guess what?

They don't want it!

They don't want to study, work, consume and DIE.

They want to LIVE!

And they are BLOODY well DETERMINED to fight for their Right to do exactly that!

There are BILLIONS of GOOD people out here, and the odds against The Bastards are shittier than they have ever been before.

So, I do not agree with you. This is coming from the very hearts of the people themselves, who have educated themselves about who the enemy actually is, what has been happening, what they have ALLOWED to happen, and where they now want to go...


As Chief Oren Lyons says, over and again, in his many videos out there on the internet, it is time for us to become our Own Leaders, for why would you want to blindly follow those who are intent on leading you over the edge of a cliff without once questioning what they are doing....


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 01:11 AM

Composers have the 'privilege'...and 'duty', to contain the chaos. It is the process. I have faith in you...and best of wishes that you accomplish your work. I took a break from guitar, and composed, for a while, on keyboards. TWICE it has got me international recognition!
So, whatever you're working on now, GO FOR IT!..Again, I have faith in you!

GfS

P.S. Also, again, anything I can do...........holler!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:29 PM

Guitar playing's on hold for a while, or songwriting, at least. I'm currently writing other things, but I'll get back to creating chaos out of melodic order eventually. Thanks for that link to the kids playing the banjo/fiddle/guitar piece. Amazing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:47 PM

Hey Songwronger!!..You got it!!!....How's the music coming??(Better, I hope!)...because YOU have something in there to say!...and something great!..It WILL come out!!!...if it isn't already!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:36 PM

Yikes! Adbusters. Found an article written by a self-described right of center guy. He says...

Adbusters makes caviar socialists like Dominique Strauss-Kahn look like the salt of the earth, saviors of the working class. They basically prey on college students and twenty-somethings unsure of themselves but with distrust in authority, selling their massive and expensive glossy magazine.

Were Occupy Wall Street an organic creation, then I'd be slightly more sympathetic to the cause. But this is Adbusters' wet dream... Of course the people in Occupy Wall Street don't have clear reasons or goals. Adbusters made it that way. And that alone fills me with rage.

Despite all its bluster about the virtues of an advertising-free world, Adbusters uses the very techniques it excoriates corporations for. It uses marketing to try and kill marketing.

Why do Adbusters writers and editors hate personal choice so much? Because their utopia would be a nightmare for most Americans. "What makes you think you have the right to drive around with a ton of metal wrapped around you," asks the September/October 2003 issue, "the right to twist a tap and get hot water, the right to flick a switch and get your house warmed up?" Were the Adbusters group to get its way, hundreds of years of progress would vanish.

The very name of the group implies destruction of private property. This is specifically advocated in nearly every issue of the magazine.

The slick glossy has a cover price of $7.95 -- more than twice the price of People, Vogue, or GQ. The Adbusters website features a plethora of products for sale, including videos, posters, calendars, postcards, books, and even a 3x5-foot "corporate" flag -- the American flag with the stars replaced by corporate logos.


http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com/2011/10/who-is-behind-occupy-wall-street.html

Tell me it ain't so. Is Occupy Wall Street just a marketing campaign?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:34 PM

Mostly Liz,

The first part of your first post on there is absolutely correct!...as I also have been bitching about the same things, often with MUCH resistance. I do not subscribe to 'going back' as you suggested that I was. But I DO recognize the problem got to this boiling point, BECAUSE of the corruption of globalist bankers, and the politicians, who masquerade under the title of 'Representatives' (I must have at least 200 posts referring to this!).....and of course have met stubbornly silly opposition, mostly from some Democrat ideologues on here, that somehow their party, and/or 'their guy' were exempt and not part of the collusion,...through the corruption, from the big business guys. Scroll back under my name and you will see that I've been expounding on that, for well over two or three years!
"petecockermouth" hit it on the head, as to the same thing that has happened over there!!!!
So in that premise, you're singing to the choir....but, when you go through the 'demands', and cross reference them with each other, they don't make sense...and I believe, that certain political factions, are using this very opportunity, CONTRIVED these events, not to bring 'change' THROUGH PEACEFUL MEANS, but to create a necessity, for the government, in conjunction with the big business guys to CRACK DOWN, financially and militarily against our own countrymen, and FORCE the change, that even YOU or anyone on here will like AT ALL!!
Now, before blood gets shed, from either side, or before you, or any loved ones have to decide, to have to shed blood, as a result of controlled and manipulated groups of people, don't you want to find out, FOR SURE, that this is not a concoction????!!!???.....using real issues, for false solutions?????....by people with ulterior motives??
This doesn't interest you, at all??????
For the exact SAME reasons I don't trust the Tea Party, nor the Democrats, nor the Republicans..I don't truth this either, when the smell of a rat is as strong as a skunk!
Now, does this seem unreasonable to you??
In other words, before Americans start killing each other over this shit, it would be a tragedy, beyond describing, if it was started over a group of people being whooped up, and lied to!!
....and the clue to the lies are found in the demands. All you have to do, as you read them, is ask yourself.."How can they ask this, and not have to use BORROWED money(from who) to accomplish it??!!??
Try it....something don't make sense......unless.......(to be continued)....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:01 PM

"The Occupy Wall Street movement has its roots in Vancouver, home base of anti-consumer magazine Adbusters. On July 13, 2011, Adbusters published a spread calling on people to occupy New York's financial district. The magazine's editors say they were inspired by the Arab Spring, and envisioned a similar uprising in the United States.

The protests began on Sept. 17, when a few dozen people tried to set up tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange. Since then, hundreds have flooded the nearby park, which has become the operating base for Occupy Wall Street."

From today's Globe and Mail, fyi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 08:18 PM

Little Hawk-
I was responding to Lizzie Cornish's post of Oct 6.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:38 PM

Brilliant article on the Quants (the physicists who've moved into Wall Street) (and yes, it's from the Daily Mail, but written by a freelance writer, so don't get yer knickers in a twist!)

ROBERT HARRIS: How supercomputers preying on human fear are taking over the world's stock markets


And this is even better, except it's kinda depressing when you start to realise what they've done..which is basically scientifically fucked up The System with Beyond Comprehensible Mathematics, but hey, they're making OODLES of money, so they don't care...

‎"Isn't it a problem that I don't understand what you are trying to explain to me?" says the interviewer to a Quant...who laughs, with his buddies...and explains, patronisingly, that he was actually 'dumbing it down' for her..

'Quants - The Alchemists of Wall Street' - Youtube


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:30 PM

As btw, I first heard the song Playboys and Playgirls from Gil Turner in 1964/5 (I think). I have no idea who the author is. Like some of the 'protest' songs from those days, it may have many authors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:06 PM

GREAT Placard! :0)


For those who don't use Facebook, as that's where the link goes...it's a photo of a young man holding a placard which states:

"Dear 1%
We fell asleep for a while
We've woken up
Sincerely, the 99%"



Nearly 7,000 people on here now:
The 'Occupy Canada' facebook page....

And now they're into Washington - Mother Jones article

Nearly 6,000 people on here:
Occupy The London Stock Exchange facebook page


In the words of Richie Havens - "They can't hide us anymore*


Bruce, that's an excellent post, above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 06:56 PM

Send it to 'em, Don.

Jeri, I'll sing it for you when you come up. Bring your guitar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:57 PM

What a freakin coincidence.... I just happen to have a song hanging around that just might blend in with the wall St. Protesters....




The Wall St. March
                   By Don Hakman

{Adult language, Adult content}

Wall St. got money for nothing and checks for free
We got the nothing and paid for their greed
Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean.
When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized.

When the rich lie cheat and steal they call it success
They tell us OBEY us and clean up this mess
Shut up or else, the rich ass holes dare
But complain once and oooooo, its Class Warfare.

CHORUS

Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from the wealthy mobsters down on Wall St.
March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring


Boys will be boys with all their tom foolery
Like taking my home and job from me.
Wall St. bets on disease and wars.
Oh how they love their money and whores.

Now they're after our unions, police and great teachers
They defile us on Fox with blondes and fake preachers.
Wall St. wants us to pay and pay and pay
The day that stops is today, TODAY, TODAY.

CHORUS
Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from the wealthy mobsters down on Wall St.
March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring.


Bankers sold our country short
They attacked America on a bet
They paid themselves billions
And gave us their debt.


Banks should be our servants not our slave masters
Wall St Bankers are greedy, fat bastards
They are the 60 Trillion dollar pranksters
And the best dressed mobsters and gangsters

CHORUS
Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from wealthy mobsters down on Wall St.
March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring


Get out Boehner, Blowback's a bitch.
The American people are demanding a switch.
Things are really not as they seem
Hank Paulson dreamed up the American ream.

Wall St, got money for nothing and checks for free
We got the nothing and paid for their greed
Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean.
When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized.

Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean.
When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized.

Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean.
When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized.













{Bruce I trust you to put a march behind this and bring it to life)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:56 PM

Look carefully at the OWS signs.
This is not partisan.
This is not a Democratic Party rally.
This is a rebellion by the 99% against the $y$tem, perpetuated by both Republicans and Democrats, that has created an underemployed, overworked, overtaxed (relative to the 1%) voicele$$ majority.
If you look at what we want (listen to Amos' link above), you'd expect the Tea Party to be on board.
Why aren't they?
It's easy - the Tea Party is a phony creation of the 1%.
The 1% and their wholly-owned "news" media are making sure that Tea Partiers think the 99% is a bunch of druggie punks.
If the Tea Partiers listened, and thought for themselves rather than listening to FAUX, they would realize that they are the 99% as well. They are on our team - they're just being told they are not.
They will wake up. The revolution is building - let's just be damn sure to keep it peaceful!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:53 PM

Well, I have cleared my time for the local Occupy Wall Street Saturday afternoon... Will be interesting...

BTW, OWS ain't just young white kids... That's Republican speak... When you look at the pictures, study them carefully... And as this movement picks up steam watch for a lot more Baby Boomers...

This is so exciting... In mjy wildest dreams I never thought that I'd see the oppressed rise up against the corrupt corporations... And, yes, as LH pointed out, Wall Street is the symbol of what has gone wrong with out democracy...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:40 PM

The numbers of those dissatisfied enough to demonstrate is just getting larger. If they get focused on something, they'll be unstoppable. On TV a bit earlier, I saw a Republican politician promising not to take any campaign contribution of more than $100. When it became legal to accept unlimited donations, I think most of us saw where things could be headed.

B, tune please? ("Turn Me 'Round"?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM

Amos, I hadn't heard that. If I had I wouldn't have posted. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:21 PM

Dick,

America is faced with a serious problem. Your politicians don't care about the people who voted them into office. People are fed up. People are angry. Read the manifesto Lizzie posted. Please give it a close read. People lost their homes and livelihoods and Wall Street was part of that rip-off. The rich did ok from it all, and people know that.

Closing down stock exchanges may not be the answer, but leaving them open sure as hell hasn't worked. The expression that fits this situation is this:

I'm so fu#kin' mad I don't know whether to sh#t, wind my watch or steal third.

People began to awake in the early 1980s when the first big economic slump occurred. People began to lose their voices. Neither Ottawa nor Washington cared. We all began to see that the game is about money and using money to keep people down. Gradually, with communication being available to the voiceless, people are coming together.

Playboys And Playgirls

Oh, ye playboys an' playgirls
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ye playboys an' playgirls
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Not now or no other time.

You fallout shelter sellers
Can't get in my door
Can't get in my door
Can't get in my door
You fallout shelter sellers
Can't get in my door
Not now or no other time.

Your Jim Crow ground
Can't turn me around
Can't turn me around
Can't turn me around
Your Jim Crow ground
Can't turn me around
Not now or no other time.

The laughter in the lynch mob
Ain't a-gonna do no more
Ain't a-gonna do no more
Ain't a-gonna do no more
The laughter in the lynch mob
Ain't a-gonna do no more
Not now or no other time.

You insane tongues of war talk
Ain't a-gonna guide my road
Ain't a-gonna guide my road
Ain't a-gonna guide my road
You insane tongues of war talk
Ain't a-gonna guide my road
Not now or no other time.

You red baiters an' race haters
Ain't a-gonna hang around here
Ain't a-gonna hang around here
Ain't a-gonna hang around here
You red baiters an' race haters
Ain't a-gonna hang around here
Not now or no other time.

Ye playboys an' playgirls
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Ye playboys an' playgirls
Ain't a-gonna run my world
Not now or no other time.

Just a silly little song, but it's taking on new meaning. Do rational people really think that medications cost as much as pharmaceutical companies charge? Do rational people really think the meals served to US troops in the Iraq war were worth $18 a piece? Do rational people really believe that the fifty-or-so billion dollars unaccounted for in the Iraq war was spirited away by tooth fairies? Do rational people really think that when average people are stripped of everything they've worked for they will lay down and die or simply go away? The manifesto Lizzie posted IS the voice of the people, and the people are angry--angrier than Wall Street, Ottawa or Washington can imagine.

Fifty years ago one paycheck could support a family. Today, it takes two or three. Why is that? Ford mentioned that if average people could understand the banking system there'd be a revolution tomorrow. Tomorrow has come. IMO, it's late, but it's here.

Where was the main-stream media when people first went to Wall Street to protest? Who muzzled the papers, the TVs, the radios? And by what right? We've seen so many examples of manipulation, and having seen those examples we've turned our backs and ignored the obvious. The obvious is biting us all. The sickness called Capitalism can no longer be supported by the average person. And people are coming to realize that.

In a very pragmatic sense, shutting down stock exchanges won't change much. But leaving them open hasn't changed a damned thing. When ya got nothing, ya got nothing to lose. North America has lost the stabilizing influence of that thing called the middle class. It no longer exists. One job just doesn't cut it anymore. Families fell apart, kids left to fend for themselves for over two generations. Now we wonder why we've got problems.

The system that got us to this state is a system people do NOT trust, and why should they? Why should any of us? I think a door has been opened, and I don't know that it can be closed again. Frankly, I'm not sure it should.

Why are there no economically poor politicians? Why when very rich people say they are not being taxed enough do we ignore their statements? Why when stock market manipulation causes people to lose their homes do we not see our jails filled with the trash that did it to them? Why do we see inequities in our penal systems that have an over representation of native North Americans, people of colour, people from disenfranchised backgrounds? There are NO answers forthcoming from anyone, because the answers people receive are horse droppings.

Crime pays, especially white-collar crime, and imo all other crime results from that. When US troops and cops point their guns at average people, something's very wrong. It's been wrong for at least a century. YMMV


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 04:36 PM

Amos.... Keith Olbermann Reads... the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Amos
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:54 PM

What the Protestors believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:48 PM

I doubt that anyone here does think that, so why even bring it up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:32 PM

If any thinks that hackers shutting down the Stock Exchange will help reduce the economic inequities that are plaguing our economy, I'd love to hear an explanation of how.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:18 PM

Scenes from last night on Wall Street

And Ake...'X Factor Politics' ?

Hardly.

The X Factor is run by Corporate Bastards, who have used, and abused, the Music Industry for way too long. They have humiliated many people, deliberatly picking them for their *lack* of talent, knowing they'll be laughed at and ridiculed, all to get their 'ratings' up...They make artists sign highly dubious contracts too..

No, the people out there on the streets are against the very kind of folks who run these kind of programmes in the first place, dumbing people down, turning them into proles, making them think 'celebrity' is all-important, all-consuming...

X Factor Politics is what they are rebelling AGAINST!! They want REAL Politics, REAL Politicians, REAL Leaders, who are honest and true, brimming over with Integrity and Honour...



Good try though..... ;0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:17 PM

It's difficult for the public to know how to respond to the present political state of the world, dick, seeing that the normal traditional voting process has been rendered null and void by lobbyists' money.

What are people to do when the political parties and the system are co-opted by major financial elites?

We've seen what they finally did in Egypt...but the Army is now running Egypt, and it seems likely that the people will in no way receive the genuine progressive changes they had hoped to secure by toppling Mr Mubarak (Who, after all, was just one man...you can remove the symbolic leader of a corrupt system...but does that really change the whole system? Probably not! It probably just renews itself under some new leaders.)

So what are people to do? Wall Street is a well known visual symbol of the financial elite and a gathering place for activities that relate to the doings of the financial elite.

Therefore it makes a certain amount of sense to do a Wall Street Protest, does it not? It's rather like the Parisian mob storming the Bastille, an outward symbol of oppression....but that was a violent protest. This one isn't, so far.

A public that feels robbed and disempowered and helpless will eventually rise up in some way. When the police and the army either join them...or stand aside and refuse to use force upon them...that is when the power elite may fall. What comes in the wake of that is anybody's guess.

It happened in the Soviet Union in '89. It happened in Egypt. It can happen here too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:08 PM

Well, Dick..the 'Anonymous' guys have threatened to shut down the New York Stock Exchange on 10/10. Whether they will or not remains to be seen, for it could be a hoax, but..other times they've done this kind of thing.

'Anonymous' (which was born from the *brilliant* film 'V for Vendetta' is filled with guys with magical computer brains, who are pretty darn good at hacking into anything, should they so choose..

So, watch this space, as they say....


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:05 PM

Oh, Don..don't worry, I mentioned folks of 'all' ages in my post just above yours. :0) xx

LOADS of links on here..

The 'Occupy Wall St' Facebook page.....

Bruce, get yourself a Facebook page!! :0) x


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:01 PM

Wouldn't it make a great deal more sense to direct the protests at someone who is in a position to make changes? Wall street, certainly, won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 01:55 PM

X Factor politics......


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 01:32 PM

Did you get all of that, GfS?

Not just Young People, Lizzie. Plenty of people my age (when the Big Bang occurred, I'm the guy who said, "What the hell was THAT!!?"), especially if we're old enough to remember how things were before Reagan gave the U. S. back to the Fat Cats, are totally fed up with the present situation.

There is an interesting line in Rafael Sabatini's historical novel, Scaramouche (set as the French Revolution was just about to start). "If the throne topples, it will be those who are nearest to it who will be crushed."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:28 PM

Please sign and share, if you are standing beside these brave young people..and indeed, people of ALL ages now who are rallying to The Cause to take their lives BACK! :0)

Avaaz's 'The World Versus Wall Street' Petition

Taken from the above:

"To fellow citizens occupying Wall Street and peoples protesting across the world:

We stand with you in this struggle for real democracy. Together we can end the capture and corruption of our governments by corporate and wealthy elites, and hold our politicians accountable to serve the public interest. We are united - the time for change has come!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:17 PM

As 20,000 rally in New York alone....

"This is only getting....BIGGER!"



Hey, Corporate Bastards, Wanker Bankers, Corrupt Politicans and Quantifying Quants of Wall Street....If you treat people like shit, then you get shit thrown back at you. Just be grateful it's Peaceful Shit, where all your former workers and customers are whispering:

"We are NOT taking this ANY LONGER!"

But that whisper is being whispered by tens of thousands, and they will soon be HUNDREDS of thousands..

And The Whisper will become The ROAR!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:13 PM

Keith Olberman reading the above statement


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:11 PM

'Declaration of the Occupation of New York City'
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate ...forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the coopera...tion of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers' healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 08:17 AM

This may come as news to you, ake...and Gfs...but what you are witnessing here is a Change, not finanical, or even political, but a whole Change of Life.

I've been trying to tell folks for YEARS that the world was heading for this, but everyone thought I was nuts..

This is NOT a Recession. This is a Global Meltdown. It is not going to get better, go back to 'normal' for normality is no longer out there, at present..

The financial systems have been screwed, not just by the Corrupt Corporate Bastards and Bankers, but also by The Quants, the Physicists who have taken over Wall Street...They have now created financial systems SO complicated that only they understand them, and at times, even they struggle to do so..The system has been imploding for years and has now reached Mega-Crisis Point.

So, where does that leave us?

Well, in Deep Shite, in many ways...and it's going to be rough, VERY rough, I fear, but....the Silver Lining is The Young People who are out there now Occupying Wall St and a whole lotta other places....

They now have an anger SO deep, a determination SO strong to turn this planet around that they WILL succeed. It may take a while, for these guys have trillions to protect themselves with, but soon they'll find their money counts for nothing.

People are sick and tired of it all. Their Corporate Bubble has burst bigtime...and the moment they raise interest rates, which of course, they WILL, putting millions at risk of losing their homes, their businesses, their jobs, even higher risk than we have at present, the entire modern way of life will start to implode bigtime.

It is why the politicians are so scared...
It is why the media is doing all it can to NOT report on what is happening....

They are shitting themselves, because they KNOW what is about to go down in the very near future...

And you know what? When it does, those police officers will change sides, for their jobs are gonna go too, despite the Corporate Bastards pouring money into the NYPD at present, to try to protect themselves...

The Young People are NOT going to give up on this one. They have nothing more to lose and everything to gain...

Life will change drastically and radically, exactly as the Hopi Indians have been predicting for decades..It is already happening right now...

So, you'd best get Spiritual, folks..learn to love your neighbour, for we are all going to have to depend on one another as never before, shortly...and that's a GOOD thing. This turmoil will bring Love back. It will get people talking to each other again, caring about one another..doing jobs for each other, where money is not needed...

We will start to look at our Planet, perhaps for the first time in decades, in a very different way, going back to Nature, dependant on Her once again...


When I went over to the 'Occupy Wall St' facebook page around 2 weeks back to show them support, tell them how proud I was of them all, I also asked for their help in stopping Brazil going ahead with the dreaded Belo Monte Dam...asking them to fight for Chief Raoni and his People..and asking them to join me over on the 'Support Chief Raoni' facebook page...

They came....

They came in their THOUSANDS, in hours, in days!   

And they came fuming that they knew NOTHING about Belo Monte, NOTHING about the Decimation of the Rainforest which is about to happen..NOTHING about the SIXTY other dams Brazil plans to build after Belo Monte, the world's third largest dam...

They knew nothing of the severe droughts and environmental damage caused by China's Three Gorges Dam (the biggest in the world)..nothing about how many good people are being murdered in The Amazon Rainforest at present....

They do now...

And they have spread that page around the world!!!

The internet is a mightly powerful tool, if used in the correct way..and there are now HUNDREDS of 'Occupy' pages on Facebook, with almost every major city in the USA having demonstrations...

The protestors are taking over the London Stock Exchange on 15th October...and you watch it start to spread like wildfire over here too...

We are living in extraordinary and tumultous times...for our Young People are feeling as Storm Tosssed and Battered as our Weather System is making our Planet feel...

Everything is doing what it is supposed to be doing, for a whole new way of life lies ahead...and a FAR better one....

So, hold on tight.....

And Bobz..you take good care of yourself. I'm REALLY proud of you, too! (((xxx)))


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 04:01 AM

I've been through this many times in my long membership of the Communist Party.

You know what......It just makes you feel better, a minority(and you will always be a minority) standing up to injustice, but in reality it just makes matters worse, entrenching opinions on both sides....and that always means "worse" for the poor and underpriviliged.
The only way in which society can be changed in a meaningful way is through unity and in our case that means we shall almost certainly never see it....but our grandchildren might!
It means finding common ground with the people who are not politically motivated, who want a quiet life, a reasonable standard of living, a little freedom and a sensible lifestyle.

This may come as news to you guys, but the grass roots folks of America and Britian have no taste for Martyrdom..


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 01:59 AM

The unions are NOT the Democratic Party. Nor is George Soros, or for that matter, Warren Buffet. Not ALL billionaires are indifferent to the problems of those on the lower end of the financial spectrum. Bill Gates, no matter what you may think of Microsoft, has given away many billions since he got married and Melinda humanized him. Warren Buffet complaining that he's not being taxed enough. Ted Turner some years back gave away a third of his billions, saying "NOBODY needs THAT much money!"

The Wall Street protests WERE sparked through the internet and encouraged by organizations such as Move On and People for the American Way. Progression groups. This sort of political communication is the wave of the future.

That's the problem with those poor sods who are unable to think in anything but pigeon holes. That's the unmistakable mark of a--well, that's the "B-word," and Joe doesn't like it when people use it. So I won't.

Even if that's exactly the case.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:31 AM

GfS - your word choices make the tone very clear. Very clear.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 11:41 PM

SRS, My tone of voice??????????????????????
Maybe its the tone you think I have, but that's all in your head..or how others have projected what that 'tone' is. I'm just letters on a screen...and Soros is NOT out for the 'little guy'. He is out for POWER, and using the 'little guy' to get it! Ask any Brit about how the pound was devalued...and who did it.

GfS

P.S. I misspoke earlier, it wasn't the Teamsters, it was the UAW, and the Teacher's Union,(AFT)...and this protesting, though the reasons may seem justified, the list of demands is completely nonsensical. if you'd like to go through them, I can easily show you why they don't make sense...(Though you may be able to do that by yourself). Check them out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:34 PM

Thank you, Magz.... What the Tea Party mentality folks don't understand is that OWS are folks who understand non-violence... The Tea Party??? Rednecks who don't get it...

We'll win...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:30 PM

THAT is an absolutely FALSE statement. 'Move On', 'SEIU' and the Teamsters, are funding this. Who is 'Move On' and 'SEIU'?....George Soros!!!..He is the Koch Bros. equivalent, to the 'left'....even though he, himself, is a rabid capitalist!

GfS, you can't see that Soros looks out for the little guy, while the Koch brothers look out for big industry and millionaires?

(They just hate it when I point that out to them!)

No, I think what they don't like is your choice of words and your tone of voice.

You notice how polite the Occupy Wall Street folks are? Let it be an example to you.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:28 PM

well .... then the best of luck to ya Bobert.

biLL ... :~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:28 PM

Well Bobert, as I suggested to you before, channel the death of your kitty, into the blues performance....it should come off well, cuz you be singin' da blues...with feelin'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:20 PM

Blues challenge: every regional blues society does an annual "challenge" to see who gets to represent them in Memphis for the International Blues Challenge (IBC) in February...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 10:04 PM

What's a 'blues challenge' ??

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 09:56 PM

Thanks, brucie, but I've been waiting almost 4 decades for this... If they wanta bust on my head then that's the way it goes... Bust on it... It been busted on before... I don't gibe a shit... If my 92 year old mom could walk better than she'd offer her head for bustin', too...

I mean, we progressives are always gonna offer our heads for bustin' if at the end of the day we get justice and we have moved humanity forward...

Personally, I don't gibe a flyin' fig what they want to do to me... Been here an' done this...

I can't wait until Saturday... Just don't break my hands 'cause I gotta a blues challenge on Sunday...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 09:20 PM

Don: "The Wall Street protests are only the rumble of thunder off in the distance. The storm is definitely on its way, and, unlike the Tea Party, it is independent of the current corrupt political parties.   CLICKY #1"

THAT is an absolutely FALSE statement. 'Move On', 'SEIU' and the Teamsters, are funding this. Who is 'Move On' and 'SEIU'?....George Soros!!!..He is the Koch Bros. equivalent, to the 'left'....even though he, himself, is a rabid capitalist!

More hypocrisy, and smoke and mirrors.

petecockermouth: "here too there is nothing much to choose between the 2/3 main political parties. both entirely in the pocket of big business, both as likely to support the illegal wars waged in the interests of capitalism."

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! Same thing, on THIS side of the pond!...but at least YOU GET IT!!!!! The 'groupies' of the 'left' absolutely DO NOT see it!....and that's why there is such uninformed, semi-literate blathering going on here!!!

(They just hate it when I point that out to them!)

GfS

Regards!
GfS


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