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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 01:16 AM

Hate to be pedantic...
ordinance is a law or regulation.
ordnance is explosive.
Spent too much time detecting unexploded ordnance to let it pass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:05 PM

Guest TIA-
Thanx. It's a distinction of which I should have been aware, but wasn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:11 PM

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From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:27 PM

Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south.

Hard to make out if this is a statement from an ignoramus, an idiot, or a jackass.

Perhaps just more BBBS, BBBS."




I can see why Greggie is upset- The Klan always is upset when it is not spelled the way they want.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:55 PM

Oops... my bad TIA.

"If you're bringing ordinance, make sure the other side doesn't have you out-gunned."

I was asked at an interview for RMC (I was accepted at 18 years of age but didn't go... long story) if I would give the orders to fire on Canuck civilians if ordered to do so by the government during insurrection. "No." I'll not tell the whole conversation but in the end, the colonel essentially said the CAF had more than enough firepower to take out the citizens. I asked, "Who would they govern?"

Deal is, if it comes down to brass tacks, the government (read, the rich) will "win", but it will cost them and I don't think they will be willing to pay that cost.

On that happy note, have fun with it. It is a never-ending discussion. Until it comes down to brass tacks and anyone who doesn't think that can happen in the good-ol-USA oughta pick up a history book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 04:51 PM

Dang right, BB. The Klan hates their name being spelt wrong. They probably have Greg down on their blacklist now... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 05:43 PM

Wasn't it bruce that initiated the misspelling

Bruce your statement is pretty out of line. Protesting that the Koch's should pay their share of taxes and should not have extraordinary access to free speech is hardly the same as a burning cross on a poor man's lawn. But it is no more out of line than all of the "class warfare" BS your sources propagate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:17 PM

Its just absurd anyway when you consider the whole tea party "Obama isn't American" and "Obama is an Islamist" nonsense that goes on.

The tea party is a load of wasps defending their privileged status.

The tea party is all about the NRA etc.

If anyone has similarities with the Klan its the Kochs - the 2 K's ...

There's kind of a wild desperation in comparisons like BB's KKK 'parallel' that leaves me pretty weirded out.

And I wonder how he would feel if an inappropriate comparison were made with the holocaust?

No - I don't think OWS, a pro civil rights and pro democracy movement can be compared sanely to 300 years of lynchings and other abuses of African Americans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:33 AM

The repeal of the anti-union law in Ohio today is a prime example of what a popular movement with a specific objective can accomplish. And I didn't notice anyone beating a drum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:09 AM

bobad,
    Until I listened to the Abramoff, 60 minute interview, I believed that we could fix our broken government by simply taking the corporate money out of our politics, by publicly funding elections we could have our elected officials actually working for ALL the American people, for a change. But I did not understand the extent of the
corruption problem we face.
It is no longer just a case of corporate money flowing from lobbyist's to either elect or destroy a candidate, they have gone further. They basically get the Congress members chief of staff in their pocket. This is the same, or even better, than the member of Congress, the chief of staff controls everything the member sees or doesn't see, and is even able to insert secret legislation into complicated and lengthy bills, often without the members fully understanding it's implications. But they have gone even further and cut out the middleman altogether. Now that the Koch Tea Party has managed to get dozens of their "Trojan Horse" candidates elected, not just to Congress, but also to Governorships all around the country, the elected official can be manipulated directly.

Go to the link for a transcript of excerpts from the interview, or you can watch the interview itself.


text and interview

How many partisan clones out there think corporations could do their corruption....without corrupt politician's help???

The rest is nonsensical political posturing!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:33 AM

Yeah, that article and video are really something. The extent of corruption revealed by Mr Abramoff is incredible. It's like a pandemic that has poisoned the entire existing system of government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:54 AM

Yeah, I was going to post something about it earlier, but I figured everyone was into the partisan bullshit, and it wouldn't have sunk in!!..Thanks to 'Bobad' for bringing it up!
I'm thinking the rest, except for a few, are alternating between Herman Cain, and Kim Kardasian!..for their mental stimulation!

I think it both disgusting, and disappointing that so-called 'hip' people are so screwed up, and have no fucking clue!

Regards Hawk!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:55 AM

Hey!..Were you ever able to open up those attachments???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:03 AM

So Jack Abramoff is the excuse de jour on why people should just sit on their hands and not even try to be part of fixing out messed up country... There are always people like that...

Martin Niemoller was addressing those folks when he penned , "And then they came for me..."

But if it makes the "classless and free" all warm and fuzzy then screw 'um... Their choice... There's are alternatives and OWS is out there putting the pressure on the system...

If any of the "classless and free" have a better idea then put it out there... If not then it's all just SSDD from them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:24 AM

Greetings:

Regarding Bobert's comment Corporate media is out to destroy OWS... It won't give a fair accounting no matter what...: When I was last at OWS in New York two days ago, I saw a camera and sound crew bring their own model to stand among the crowds in Zuccotti Park holding up a large hand-painted sign that read:

Ask not what you can do for your country.
Ask what your country can do for you.


That's just the thing to show how selfish those OWS people really are!

The model was a middle aged man wearing an old army jacket and jeans. How did I know he was a model? Because I saw the crew set him up and even dust him with a little powder for the camera. The equipment had no markings that I could see, so I have no idea where the crew was from.

That same day, all the New York newspapers carried stories of how Zuccotti Park has been riddled with violent crime. Each paper had its own spin depending upon its political outlook and journalistic standards, but the intent was obviously the same: to discredit OWS and to scare people away.

The truth is that there have been a handful of serious incidents, including a sexual assault for which the NYPD made an arrest. But rather than ignoring the problem or trying to hide it, the people at OWS have addressed it directly through the General Assembly, through a series of special meetings, and through several working groups. The result has been increased security through various strategies ranging from traditional (recruiting and training big, imposing looking security volunteers) to less traditional (recruiting and training volunteers in nonviolent conflict resolution).

If you spend any time in Zuccotti Park, you will not find it be threatening, hostile, or dangerous. Instead you will find it to be mellow, friendly, and inviting. Marilyn and I spent yesterday preparing food that we will bring there today. All the dishes we made are vegan. Even though we are not even vegetarians, let alone vegans, we figure that anyone can eat vegan food. Also, if things get rough, you can attack your opponents with our cold sesame noodles. :-)

The bottom line is don't uncritically accept anything the media have to say. They all serve the interests of their corporate owners.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:46 AM

Well, Steve... When I think of what we OWSers are doing the old Who verse. "We won't be fooled again" shouts in my head... I remember vividly hearing "plants" come into our Radical Student Union and try to sway people to fire bomb the university's president's house...

History does repeat itself when people don't know it... I think OWS fully understand history and know exactly what Boss Hog is capable of doing... Boss Hog, after all, has a lot to lose here... It will get worse... The "plants" are being trained as we speak... It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs...

Ya'll stay at it and I'll do the same...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:09 AM

So which is it Bobert?

Lynch Boss Hog or respect non-violence? And who decides who Boss Hog is? How about all landowners with more than 5 acres ( a little over the amount needed for a sustaining wood fuel source)?


Bobert:"It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs..."


Bobert:"Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:09 AM

Sorry, mine



So which is it Bobert?

Lynch Boss Hog or respect non-violence? And who decides who Boss Hog is? How about all landowners with more than 5 acres ( a little over the amount needed for a sustaining wood fuel source)?


Bobert:"It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs..."


Bobert:"Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:25 AM

Bringing attention is what the movement is about, bruce... Non-violence doesn't mean playing "lap dog"... It doesn't mean not bringing pressure on those who are the culprits... It does mean respecting their "property"... That means, surround their houses but stay off their manicured lawns... That's non-violence... That's what Dr. King would have us do...

Face it, some folks are going to be uncomfortable... But that's their problem for being crooks and cheats... OWS didn't make them crooks and cheats...

No lynching here... That's stuff is in ya'll's tool box of dirty tricks and militaristic inhumanity... History is full of ya'll's lynchings but you won't find one example where civil rights or anti-war folks have lynched anyone... Thousands of lynchings in America's past and all of them done by the right wing on people they were oppressing...

I know... History sucks... Facts suck... Too bad... Not our problem... Yours...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:27 AM

"surround their houses but stay off their manicured lawns."

And that is within bounds- BUT not what the SEIU did to the BoA VP's family.

As long as the property is not trespassed on, and people physically threatened, I have no problem with protestors demonstrating.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:42 AM

btw,

"History is full of ya'll's lynchings "

Fuck off!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:33 AM

Police from several jurisdictions were at the SEIU protest.
Where any arrests made? Any citations for anything?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:41 AM

"Easton says 14 school buses brought demonstrators from the Service Employees International Union and the National Political Action Group, carrying signs and bullhorns up Baer's front steps to denounce bank foreclosures. She writes Baer's teenage son was alone in the house and locked himself in the bathroom until his dad was able to get home."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:09 PM

http://biggovernment.com/files/2010/05/seiu-MOB.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:17 PM

And it is worth repeating for the 10th time: OWSers pledge "non violence" but not everyone that attends these rallies are OWSers... Some are crazy anarchists... Some are right wing plants... Some may even be government plants... But prior to marches during the General Assembly the folks who set out from that camp are instructed and agree to non-violence...

But that doesn't play into the corporate agenda so this story cannot be told on their media...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:39 PM

That is a nice photo (from Andrew Breitbart's website - no agenda there I am sure).
But were there any arrests?
Any citations?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:50 PM

Dick, with all due respect, you don't get it. There are many issues that are intertwined and a single issue doesn't mean anything. Leadership is everyone, not just one ego-driven politician or speaker that hops in front of the parade.

If you really dig, you'll find out why this movement is so powerful and why it doesn't need a bumper sticker or sound byte.

The 1% control Bilderbergers, the Military Industrial Complex, the Media, the War Contractors, the corporate control of congress and the senate and the two parties,
the diversionary red-herring called deficit reduction which translated is robbing the public and penalizing the poor as well as the destruction of labor unions. Anybody who is awake knows what the OWS is about.

It ain't about Goldman Sachs or Timothy Geithner. Obama better put on his sneakers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:52 PM

Asking Beardie to produce citations, references or facts is a fool's errand- as should be patently obvious to anyone with even a limited recollection of his past posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:15 PM

Guest TIA,
No citations were issued, nor arrests. JUst as none have been in the case of the bankers and Wall Street firms- so I take it you object to the OWS complaining since there were no arrests to justify them?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:41 PM

none have been in the case of the bankers and Wall Street firms

Now, THAT is the most hilarious thing I've read in a LONG time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:48 PM

Greggie,

Are you REALLY stupid, or just an ass?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:56 PM

He may or may not be an ass, but it was pretty funny. You clearly implied that the the protesters has the same immunity from the law as the bankers. Ie that they were not being cited for the same reason that the bankers were not prosecuted for fraud. I doubt that was your intent. That is what makes it so funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 03:08 PM

jts,

The SEIU demonstrators, which are what Guest TIA was referring to, WERE given immunity- AND A POLICE ESCORT TO PROTECT THEM. The juresdiction that they went to was not even notified.

I warned Bobert that there were those who had a different agenda, and would co-opt the OWS movement if they could. SEIU has demonstrated that they do NOT abide by the rules that Bobert is saying apply- and WHEN (not if) there are violations, it will be OWS, and not the Union thugs, that get the blame.


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From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:27 AM

"surround their houses but stay off their manicured lawns."

And that is within bounds- BUT not what the SEIU did to the BoA VP's family.

As long as the property is not trespassed on, and people physically threatened, I have no problem with protestors demonstrating."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

Greetings:

Any movement that seriously challenges the established power structure must be ready to both take and to inflict casualties. Unless you are an absolute pacifist -- and very few people are -- you would consider adopting nonviolence for tactical and strategic reasons, not because it is a way of life. Most people believe there are times when organized violence is both justifiable and necessary. But they also believe those times are few and far between. That is essentially what Jefferson was saying when he wrote these words in the Declaration of Independence:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

What nonviolent activists like Gandhi and King have shown is that there are many options between passively suffering evil and resorting to armed struggle. If we Americans, as a people, accept Jefferson's argument that there are times when insurrectionary violence is justified, then there surely must be times when resistance short of violence is also justified. Such resistance will be organized, sustained, unpleasant, often illegal, but nevertheless nonviolent. That time has already arrived! Fortunately, the time for armed resistance has not yet come, and one hopes it never will. But it very well might.

In the meantime, let's not shed any tears for bankers whose front lawns get trampled. The little bitty "violence" that some union activists have inflicted upon a few blades is grass means absolutely nothing compared to the very real violence they have inflicted upon millions of their fellow human beings by driving them from their homes. Just remember that when the bankers foreclose a mortgage and evict a family, they have the armed might of the state at their disposal to enforce their so-called legal process.

Also remember that many successful nonviolent movements have worked in tandem, either openly or tacitly, with those who rejected nonviolence but who shared the same goals. For example, the nonviolent civil rights workers in the mid-1960s, often received the protection of the armed Deacons for Defense and Justice. Another example is the African National Congress in South Africa, which organized many nonviolent protests against apartheid, both large and small, but which also had an armed wing called Umkhonto we Sizwe, and which carried out guerilla warfare against the South African regime.

For the Occupy movement to organize its own Umkhonto we Sizwe at this time would be a terrible blunder, one that would turn people off and play right into the hands of those who would like nothing better than an excuse to obliterate the movement. But don't presume that the time can never come. And if it does, a lot more than a lawn or two will get trampled.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:09 PM

Wall Street buys US government = Protester stepping on someone's lawn???

Come on, bruce... You are smarter than this argument...

Nice post, Steve...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:29 PM

The simple fact is this.

Nobody, ever in the history of the world, ever gave away political power.

Power has always been won in some sort of struggle, whether through non-violent non-cooperation, Unions and strikes, wars of independence, or revolutions.

Right now it can be said that the power lies in the hands of those with the money and their friends in congress, who coincidentally have money.

This is called corporatocracy - in the old days it was called feudalism.

The people want an equal share of power and they want proper remuneration for helping venture capitalists to build their businesses.

These things will not be given to them freely, they will have to be taken.

The tea party poses no threat to the ruling class of America, so there was no suppression.

OWS represents a threat to the ruling classes monopoly on power and resources and it is being resisted violently.

The fact is folks that this is about the people taking their political power back.

It will be a struggle. The power and the money will be guarded selfishly by those who possess them and they will do whatever it takes to protect their assetts.

The US government has shot its own people before on numerous occasions and chances are it will happen again. Native Americans, African Americans, Union activists, anti vietnam protesters, LBJ - how many kids have you killed today ... etc ...

But this time things are different.

This time there is social media - it undermines the propaganda machine and it undermines attempts to keep us divided and isolated.

"You will not be able to stay home brother,
you will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out,
you will not be able to lose yourself on skag
and skip out for beer during commercials because
the revolution will not be televised brother".


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:36 PM

Frank--
I get it, though I'm not at all sure you do. THe Ohio protests were about something that could be remedied ---and was. OWS is very effective in letting people know that they're angry and unhappy; I can't really see what else they're accomplishing. All that anger, and all those people should be able to make changes if they direct their energy toward making those changes, rather than bitching about how unfairly they're treated (which they definitely are.)
Since we're not going to see a real revolution in the US in any of our lifetimes, developing political muscle is apt to be the only effective way to go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 06:02 PM

Dick - they're talking- they're discussing ideas - and they are responsible for a global discussion on these issues that is completely unprecedented.

Ideas are the key.

We rely on ideas.

Money is just a shared idea, as is law, and democracy, and human rights, the existence of nation states, property etc etc.

Ideas, like videos and songs, can go viral if they resonate with people.

There is an idea taking hold in popular consciousness that we don't really live in a democracy, but that our lives are dictated by a small bunch of reckless and selfish oligarchs.

People are talking about how to deal with it.

At some point a critical mass may be reached and for all our sakes lets hope that the sanest ideas win the battle of natural selection in peoples minds - because the list of alternatives could include disorder on a scale that makes the london riots look like a school trip.

This isn't about what you or I think is ideologically sound, or what you and I agree is a more or less effective tool of change.

This is about recognizing that something is different about the way people are behaving.

They are not content to just protest and go home after receiving a few shallow assurances - they are going to hang on while the idea slowly takes root that we can and must change the status quo and reassert our right to genuine democratic power, and they are going to hang on until the inevitable gravity of a sustained protest draws enough people so that a critical mass is achieved - at which point something will happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 06:47 PM

Come on, bruce... You are smarter than this argument...

Obviously, NOT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 06:49 PM

Heard today at Occupy Wall Street, Zuccotti Park, New York City:

Mic check!

Mic check!

See this man.

See this man.

He is the one.

He is the one.

Who has been stealing.

Who has been stealing.

From the donation box.

From the donation box.

Remember him.

Remember him.

He is not to be trusted.

He is not to be trusted.

Thank you.

Thank you.

OWS security volunteers then escorted the man from the park.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:14 PM

there is a reason why OWS isn't going to put forth 100 page "white papers" of policy, dick...

Then it turns the turf over the oligarchs who will us their vast wealth to twist details and then movement is over... Don't look for that... We are telling you what is wrong... Ya'll come up with some ideas that ya'll can argue over... If after ya'll fight over the meaning of the word "is" is then put your ideas out...

Here are the major beefs that OWS has:

1. Public financing for elections - no exceptions, no loopholes, no PACs, no Citizens United...

2. Income disparity - 10% can't control 90% of the wealth... That is not healthy...

3. Accountability (arrests and imprisonment) of Wall Street crooks...

4. Jobs, jobs, jobs (in the United States)...

5. Affordable college education...

Thems is just the basics...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:53 PM

What the popular movement did in Ohio worked. Looking at Bobert's list of objectives, I applaud them all, but nobody on Wall Street (which is what OWS is occupying) is either willing nor capable of advancing those objectives. Sort of like screaming at your mailman because you got fired from your job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:02 PM

No, dick.... Wall Street is the perfect "Bad Guy"... It is responsible for how American business works and it ain't working for average Americans... It's working for the rich and the rich only... Wall Street and their buddies are sitting on $2T in cash that they won't invest in America... They use every excuse except "My dog ate my homework"... Reality is that this $$$ is going to open new businesses overseas and dump more American worker's jobs...

No, dick... Wall Street is the correct target...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:02 PM

What a BIG distraction from the REAL story! The OWS crowd has everyone siding with their antic, instead of getting to the root of the source..and of course, the 'politicos' are tying to make such big 'hay' over it....and the story really boils down, and lays at the feet of the 'Fed', Goldman Sachs...and the corrupt bullshit foisted on the American people, either side, and both, to convince them of reasons how to rifle every buck they can steal from the taxpayers...even to the extent of fucking the economy....to be evenly paired with the poorest of nations...while the guys in charge,(a corporate/political cabal) live like kings, and dictate to their loyal followers to look, and blame every one else but them!..............SUCKERS!

GfS

Oh, and P.S......when asked to participate....all I can say is This
Enjoy!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:12 PM

More "Life sucks, get over, there is nothing you can do"...

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:54 PM

That's what you get for thinking down, all the time!!!

I'm fine.....and not taken in by all the bullshit...you should have known that, by now!..

GfS

Maybe you can imagine a life without the political bullshit....(yikes!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 09:34 AM

Bobert-Go ahead. Drum them into capitulation. I'd rather round up votes and help regulate the greedy bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 09:49 AM

Bobert,

If you violate the law, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. If it worth doing, that should not stop you- BUT don't complain when the law is applied.

As I keep saying, the vast majority of OWS are well meaning, peaceful, concerned individuals- BUT there are those that will take advantage of them to advance their own agendas- ON BOTH SIDES. Your continuous bitching about he right, and your unreasonable statements about lynchings will do more to reduce support for your point of view than to encourage it.

How many of YOUR relatives have had their homes or stores burned out by a racist mob, and then been told that they had the wrong skin color to get any government aid to rebuild??


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 09:50 AM

sorry, above was me




Bobert,

If you violate the law, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. If it worth doing, that should not stop you- BUT don't complain when the law is applied.

As I keep saying, the vast majority of OWS are well meaning, peaceful, concerned individuals- BUT there are those that will take advantage of them to advance their own agendas- ON BOTH SIDES. Your continuous bitching about he right, and your unreasonable statements about lynchings will do more to reduce support for your point of view than to encourage it.

How many of YOUR relatives have had their homes or stores burned out by a racist mob, and then been told that they had the wrong skin color to get any government aid to rebuild??


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 10:58 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 11:06 AM

It's not really about that at all, bruce...

In law there is a concept of "proportion"... It's used all the time in plea bargains where charges are dropped because they are very minor compared to the larger ones... That's why the law isn't this "black and white" institution where every discretion must be prosecuted to the fullest extent... Lawyers and prosecutors alike fully understand this concept...

Here in Charlotte we had an example of misuse of the "letter of the law" where two OWSers were arrested for accidentally stepping off the sidewalk and their feet touched the gutter below... They didn't mean to do but the crowd was so packed that it kinda inadvertently pushed them off the sidewalk... At the very same time there were dozens of news photographers in the street taking pictures of the demonstrations who had no permits to be in the streets who were not so much as asked by the police to get out of the street???

Yo, dick...

I do both... I have worked campaigns in the past and will again... I write my letters to newspapers and congressmen... The problem here is one of changing an entire national conversation and without the OSW movement a billion letters and door knocking won't do that... OWS is out here loosening up the propaganda filled minds and that is long overdue...

B~


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