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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: bobad
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 12:45 PM

Sign spotted at Occupy Wall Street:

"Reaganomics played out;
Wealth trickles up
Burden trickles down"


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 11:47 AM

Saw a thing in the Washington Post. Seems the guy who would be president--Obama--has decided the OWS movement is just what HIS reelection campaign needs. Yeah, right! Like he's not part of the problem.

Are there any independents running in the US who are worth getting behind?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 10:27 AM

"The people are fed up!"

Well where I come from, the people dont seem to have a clue what is happening to them....and they are quite pissed because their toys are being taken away.

You want a Capitalist system, you have to accept that you are going to get fucked now and again.......now just line up like good boys and prepare yourself for a long, slow, screw.

About two decades worth I should think.
I suppose most of us will expire before then, but dont worry, the system aint fussy.....It don't care what it screws! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:38 AM

Occupy Charlotte @ 3:00 today!!!

I'll be there...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:08 AM

I understand that an equivalent is on its way to the UK.

Good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:40 AM

I think the "Occupy Wall Street" folks know what they're doing, Ake.

And it's not just Wall Street. These protests are happening all over the country. The PEOPLE are fed up!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 03:36 AM

Why dont they all just go home and read a good book?

A little Marx might help them to understand how Capitalism works.

As I said on another thread,everything about Capitalism is perfectly acceptable, so long as it's the inhabitants of OTHER nations who are being killed or exploited.

Chickens....home....roost???


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 11:54 PM

"and the corporations will be happily centered elsewhere."

Does anyone believe that billions of people with computers cannot shut down government? Does anyone think that within three weeks/months that won't happen? The phone, i'net and mail will close. THINK about that. Then say goodnight Gracie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 10:15 PM

the financial instruments manufactured by wall street after 1990 whic didn't exist before, and made up three quarters of the available financial instruments by the crash,were an uber ponzie scheme. no regulations and the fact the investment backs used other peoples money to do this led to most of these vestements being worthless. this financialization of the economy was great in the boom, but the bust is tough.

the total lack of the banks own money and the almost fictional nature of these new financial instruments was a fornula for disaster and shows the need for major regulation.

i hope this wall street protest is the brginning of a people's take back of the right to control the economy from these flim flam artists.

i remain amazed anyone bought these new financial instruments but they did.

if america makes major investments in infrastructure and stops subsidizing the oil industry and stops expensive wars and many overseas bases. they could concentrate on sustainable energy and under cut the reason jobs over seas are so attractive to corporations. cheap oil shipping to sell in the usa.without the subsidized oil a lot of these exported jobs would be untenable. with subsidized sustyainable energy a lot of jobs are made at home.

if this isn't well under way before the catastrphhes of the climate change happen we are in for real trouble. so go wall street protestors. it's been too long the totalitarian corporations have been able to errode the new deal and the progress under the johnson adminstration. without a response america will be a third world country in a few decades and the corporations will be happily centered elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 05:27 PM

NYPD cop runs over a protester


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:15 PM

Wall Street protesters arrested in Denver
By STEVEN K. PAULSON and THOMAS PEIPERT - Associated Press | AP – 40 mins ago 10/14/11

DENVER (AP) — Dozens of police in riot gear have herded Wall Street protesters away from the Colorado state Capitol grounds, arresting about two dozen and dismantling their encampment.

Most retreated without resisting. Some chanted "Peaceful!" or "Shameful!" as police moved in early Friday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 11:57 AM

Over 1,100 cities and towns now have Wall St. occupiers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 09:31 AM

No confrontation? Gee, I bet Bloomberg is disappointed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 09:13 AM

Seems the clean-up has been postponed. Therefore no police, no possible confrontation. Good news for OWS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 04:46 AM

I received this via e-mail sent from NYC at 3:12 am today from a friend who is with the OWS 'group'. It's worth reading.


"Spent the last several hours cleaning up the Plaza in the rain. There wasn't a cigarette butt left on the ground by the time we finished. We even scrubbed the walls. People's belongings were left under tarps or in waterproof tubs. It's a disorganized bivouac, but don't believe anyone who tells you it wasn't sanitary.

I just hope nobody gets clobbered tomorrow morning when the police move in. Everybody in the Plaza is prepared for arrest. The only question is how it all goes down. This will not be the end of the movement, but it is probably the end of the beginning.

If you are awake at this late hour, and if you have not already sent an email to the Mayor's office in support of Occupy Wall Street, please consider doing so."


Posted here without comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 11:23 PM

Although many Easterners are still under the impression that Seattle is little more than a clump of log cabins and igloos (with the "Space Needle," left over from the Seattle World's Fair in 1962, standing in the middle of it – (view from Queen Anne Hill; looks like a storm coming in from the East), this city may be a bit more civilized than New York.

The demonstrators/protesters participating in "Occupy Seattle" in sympathy with and in support of the "Occupy Wall Street" protesters are occupying Westlake Park in downtown Seattle. They were not allowed to camp there overnight because of a pre-existing city ordinance, but Mayor Mike McGinn suggested that they camp on the large lawn beside the County-City Building (City Hall), a few blocks south of Westlake Park, and allows them to use the sanitary facilities in the building.

No bulldozers, no riot police. Mayor McGinn understands what it's all about and is in sympathy with the demonstrations.

(I'm glad I voted for him, and I'll vote for him again.)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:22 PM

I expect there will be trouble makers in Montreal, Q. Just the way it is. When people feel disenfranchised, as so many do, stuff happens. The problem has been mention before:

"An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics."

Plutarch (46-120 AD)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:14 PM

Friday, Zuccotti Park will be closed by the owners, one-third at a time, for cleaning. The company emphasizes the need for park rules to be followed- no tents or sleeping bags, no sidewalk obstructions, no storing of private property, no laying on benches.

The upshot will be interesting. There have been reports of trouble makers moving to the site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:03 PM

From Obama's press conference last week. He acknowledges the protest and that people are dissatisfied, but it's an opportunity to hit a talking point or several. I suppose it's not so bad, since the talking points are about how to fix things, but I wish there had been more about the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:41 PM

Ths OWS people themselves are keeping the park clean. That said, similar things are happening across the country (US) and very soon, Canada. The protesters are not screaming radicals. They are ordinary people who will continue to protest until such time as fundamental changes are made to banking laws and the methods by which corporate financial transactions occur. No more free rides for corporations. No more free rides for banks.

About 60 MILLION people in the US are living below the poverty line. What part of that is hard for people to understand?

And speaking of people, when protests of this sort happened against the Vietnam War, the presidents at least mentioned them. Where is the present president and what is he saying? I tried Google news but found nothing. Can anyone point me to a credible source?

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:35 PM

Greetings:

If you enjoy my song Union Warriors, here is a link to a studio recording which you are welcome to download for free until the end of this month. You are also welcome to listen to it on-line for free without any time limit.

Go for it!

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:27 PM

FYI, Q...

Zuccotti Plaza is indeed privately owned, but its owners agreed to make it into a public space accessible 24 hours a day in return for a zoning variance.

I have been to the site seven times, and it is not at all unsanitary. If anything, it is very well maintained. As far as noise goes, yes, there is a lot during the day. But have you ever been to that part of Lower Manhattan? During the day it is just as noisy without the Occupy Wall Street encampment. Unsightly, of course, is is the eye of the beholder. So is nuisance. There are no residents in the vicinity, since it purely a commercial area. As far as being a hazard for workers, I never saw how that is possible. No one has to enter Zuccotti Plaza, since the sidewalks go around it. But even if someone does enter the plaza, what hazard is there?

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:24 PM

Rule by a corrupt Oligarchy is a hazard to virtually everyone.

Right of peaceable assembly to protest corruption is a given in any free society...but apparently only until it starts to worry those in charge of the corruption. ;-) Nothing new about that! It's one of the oldest stories in the world. I doubt that there is any place in the vicinity of Wall Street where these demonstrations could go on for long without the big hired fist of society's financial elite coming down to stop it on the basis of some supposed "hazard", that hazard being to themselves.

Excuses will always be found by those in power as to why those not in power can't be allowed to stage a peaceful demonstration...and those in power will use force to stop it...pretending that they are protecting society by so doing. Some people will believe them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:19 PM

the local equivalent of bulldozers go in at 7 am local time

Of course they do. That's how "the Man" has always dealt with peaceful protest- the Bonus Army and Coxey's Army come to mind out of dozens of examples.

Its a great tredition in The Land Of The Free.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 07:20 PM

The park where the protestors are camped out is private property. Unsanitary, unsightly and noisy conditions are a nuisance and hazard for residents and workers in the vicinity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 06:30 PM

300. And I gather the local equivalent of bulldozers go in at 7 am local time


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 02:20 PM

Suffet... excellent!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 02:14 PM

Short of creating a real revolution in this country--which is extremely unlikely--- a protest can further its goals most effectively by influencing votes. I'm not suggesting that the OWS should affiliate with either party; rather they should try to exert control on who gets elected in both parties. An OWI coalition in congress could be an effective voice; even if it isn't as mellifluous as someone standing on a street corner singing protest songs with a banjo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:17 AM

I liked that Steve Martin line myself, TIA...

I don't know what thread it is on but in spite of history as a skinny white guy living purdy much in the black community for many years I is still a skinny white guy...

Great union song, Steve... Keep 'um comin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 06:21 AM

Sorry to bring this discussion back to Occupy Wall Street, but here is a link to a YouTube video of me performing at OWS in New York this past Friday, October 7, 2011. I am playing my wonderful little Felix the Cat Martin guitar.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 11:59 PM

Bobert!
Is it true that you could say "I was born a poor black child..."?



Sorry. One of my all time fave movies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,99
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 10:16 PM

I have to know before I catch a few zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs, are th


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:57 PM

Thanks, Don...

So now back to out regularly scheduled discussion about OWS...

Here in Charlotte it's Saturday but we have a bout 35 camped out in front on the court house...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:46 PM

Uh.....are you okay, Brucie?

By the way, Bobert, I missed it on the other thread, but I want to heartily congratulate you on your recent triumph! Good going!

Now, back to our regular broadcast.....

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:44 PM

I ain't black??? Sheet fire... Lemme go look in the mirror... I'll get back to ya'll...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:38 PM

Bingo, Bobert. I just heard on another thread the you ain't Black. When did THAT happen?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:35 PM

Exactly, brucie...

Lets have a f'n serious discussion about real policies that effect the entire planet...

That's what OWS is all about...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:29 PM

Dam, Hoover,

That was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:28 PM

I, as usual, mean no offence/offense to anyone: Is this thread about the OWS or not? IF so, let us continue on. If not. WTF is GfS?

Man, I need something to smoke, know what I mean, Vern?

Just noticed I missed the top piece of the colon there. Damned good thing I'm not a surgeon.

Love and peece/peice/pease/ relaxation to all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:18 PM

Ditto, Don...

GfinS talks out of both sides of her mouth... She takes on Libertarian/Lyndon LaRouche policy positions without any thought and then when she is called on them to explain, attacks the folks who ask her to explain???

And yeah, Don is correct... She wouldn't have the balls to say stuff to Don or me face-to-face that she feels perfectly okay to hit the "submit" button and let some rather insensitive and childish get posted...

A little less cute hostility and a little more cognizant thinking would be just fine but back her into a corner on her policy positions and its either juvenile responses or another blue clicky to a song???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:02 PM

I DO get your drift, Little Hawk. But I'm certain that GfS would NOT have the guts to say the same kind of childishly insulting things to me face-to-face that he does behind the anonymity of his computer screen. Not because I would beat the crap out of him if he did (I am far too civilized for that), but because I'm looking at HIM, not his words on a computer screen.

Behind the screen, he can feel "detached" from his childish insults. In person, he can't. He has to "own" them.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 08:51 PM

You're not getting my drift, Don. But I bet if we were sitting at a table somewhere, you would...not because we were forced to act in a civilized manner, but because our natural inclination in the presence of another REAL human being instead of some words on a computer screen would make us more aware of our own behaviour. The same goes for if you and GfS were sitting at a table together. Your natural inclinations would probably result in some far more tolerant conversations than is the case here. Here it's safe for you to just stay angry over your personal fantasy of what GfS is like, treasure your dislike, build it, chew on it, and keep harping on it. You enjoy your anger. It makes you feel good and righteous, and you chew on it and keep reliving it, and telling us all how awful GfS is and how much your anger is justified. It becomes a self-amplifying habit, like feedback.

Sitting at a table, though, you would almost immediately find out that GfS is not who you think he is at all...not the image in your mind. And I think you'd then both act in a civilized manner...because, for one thing, your curiosity about the other person would impel you too.

It's not just "safe" for GfS or someone else you don't like to hide behind their computer screen here, Don. It's equally safe for you too. And for me. And that's why we all get a bit carried away from time to time and say things we probably wouldn't when face to face.

Everything you say to me about GfS amounts to an effort on your part to just persuade me that GfS is "a bad person" who deserves your contempt. Ain't gonna work, Don. I've spoken to GfS in real life, I know that person beyond some words on a screen, and I therefore don't buy that version of who GfS is. GfS isn't a bad person, neither are you, and neither am I.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 08:29 PM

I posted this somewhere just recently, but I think it merits repeating (came up with this one on my own):

politics:   etymology

Compound word, composed of

Ex, meaning "has-been," and Ticks, meaning "blood-sucking vermin."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 08:19 PM

Well, that there radio feller shoulda given the proper attribution, Don.
Here's another of Bierce's:

POLITICIAN, n. An eel in the fundamental mud upon which the superstructure of organized society is reared. When he wriggles he mistakes the agitation of his tail for the trembling of the edifice. As compared with the statesman, he suffers the disadvantage of being alive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 08:13 PM

Fantastic song, where can I get the tune?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:56 PM

Been gone all day but:

Ake,

No, you don't seem to understand that if the US doesn't subsidize industries (not CEO's salaries) then China or India, both who are perfectly willing to do so, will take them... In the late 70's the Japanese subsidized their steel industry and guess what??? The US lost it's entire steel industry... I'm not willing to let other countries, either from currency manipulation or subsidies, steal any more of our jobs...

brucie,

You got it right... The corporate shills and apologists want to box *US* into their game... Screw them... They are going to have to come to *US*... Don't expect "white papers" from OWS... We aren't interested in the details... That's up to Congressional staffers... We just want to change the culture and the conversation... We do that and the details will take care of themselves...

bb,

There is a strong correlation between union busting and stagnated wages be the working class... Using anecdotal stories is what "management" always fall back on when they have no other reason to explain why they hate unions... Management is out to steal people's labor... Theft!!!

Don,

Keep on truckin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:01 PM

I didn't know that was Ambrose Bierce. I hear it on the radio yesterday and jotted it just down as I heard it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 06:55 PM

If yer gonna quote Ambrose Bierce, do it right:

POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles; The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 06:51 PM

By the way--

Politics:    def.
A battle of selfish interests masquerading as a conflict of lofty principles.
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 06:42 PM

I'm afraid I have to disagree, Little Hawk.

When two people are face-to-face, just by that very proximity, they are generally forced to act in a civilized manner. NOT to do so could result in their having to have a lot of dental work done, that is, if they behave in the same manner that some people do here on Mudcat. Here, hiding safely behind the anonymity of a "GUEST" moniker, they can freely say anything they want without fear of consequences. Therefore, especially in the case of "GUESTS," what they feel free to say behind this screen of anonymity may be more revealing of who they really are than if you were sitting across the table from them.

Don Firth


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