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BS: Wall Street Protesters...
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:39 PM That is a nice photo (from Andrew Breitbart's website - no agenda there I am sure). But were there any arrests? Any citations? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:17 PM And it is worth repeating for the 10th time: OWSers pledge "non violence" but not everyone that attends these rallies are OWSers... Some are crazy anarchists... Some are right wing plants... Some may even be government plants... But prior to marches during the General Assembly the folks who set out from that camp are instructed and agree to non-violence... But that doesn't play into the corporate agenda so this story cannot be told on their media... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:09 PM http://biggovernment.com/files/2010/05/seiu-MOB.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:41 AM "Easton says 14 school buses brought demonstrators from the Service Employees International Union and the National Political Action Group, carrying signs and bullhorns up Baer's front steps to denounce bank foreclosures. She writes Baer's teenage son was alone in the house and locked himself in the bathroom until his dad was able to get home." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:33 AM Police from several jurisdictions were at the SEIU protest. Where any arrests made? Any citations for anything? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:42 AM btw, "History is full of ya'll's lynchings " Fuck off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:27 AM "surround their houses but stay off their manicured lawns." And that is within bounds- BUT not what the SEIU did to the BoA VP's family. As long as the property is not trespassed on, and people physically threatened, I have no problem with protestors demonstrating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:25 AM Bringing attention is what the movement is about, bruce... Non-violence doesn't mean playing "lap dog"... It doesn't mean not bringing pressure on those who are the culprits... It does mean respecting their "property"... That means, surround their houses but stay off their manicured lawns... That's non-violence... That's what Dr. King would have us do... Face it, some folks are going to be uncomfortable... But that's their problem for being crooks and cheats... OWS didn't make them crooks and cheats... No lynching here... That's stuff is in ya'll's tool box of dirty tricks and militaristic inhumanity... History is full of ya'll's lynchings but you won't find one example where civil rights or anti-war folks have lynched anyone... Thousands of lynchings in America's past and all of them done by the right wing on people they were oppressing... I know... History sucks... Facts suck... Too bad... Not our problem... Yours... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:09 AM Sorry, mine So which is it Bobert? Lynch Boss Hog or respect non-violence? And who decides who Boss Hog is? How about all landowners with more than 5 acres ( a little over the amount needed for a sustaining wood fuel source)? Bobert:"It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs..." Bobert:"Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:09 AM So which is it Bobert? Lynch Boss Hog or respect non-violence? And who decides who Boss Hog is? How about all landowners with more than 5 acres ( a little over the amount needed for a sustaining wood fuel source)? Bobert:"It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs..." Bobert:"Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:46 AM Well, Steve... When I think of what we OWSers are doing the old Who verse. "We won't be fooled again" shouts in my head... I remember vividly hearing "plants" come into our Radical Student Union and try to sway people to fire bomb the university's president's house... History does repeat itself when people don't know it... I think OWS fully understand history and know exactly what Boss Hog is capable of doing... Boss Hog, after all, has a lot to lose here... It will get worse... The "plants" are being trained as we speak... It's up to OWS to push, push and push again for people to pledge non-violence... And non-violence extends to property, other people's space and just practicing civility while also not backing away from core beliefs... Ya'll stay at it and I'll do the same... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Suffet Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:24 AM Greetings: Regarding Bobert's comment Corporate media is out to destroy OWS... It won't give a fair accounting no matter what...: When I was last at OWS in New York two days ago, I saw a camera and sound crew bring their own model to stand among the crowds in Zuccotti Park holding up a large hand-painted sign that read: Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you. That's just the thing to show how selfish those OWS people really are! The model was a middle aged man wearing an old army jacket and jeans. How did I know he was a model? Because I saw the crew set him up and even dust him with a little powder for the camera. The equipment had no markings that I could see, so I have no idea where the crew was from. That same day, all the New York newspapers carried stories of how Zuccotti Park has been riddled with violent crime. Each paper had its own spin depending upon its political outlook and journalistic standards, but the intent was obviously the same: to discredit OWS and to scare people away. The truth is that there have been a handful of serious incidents, including a sexual assault for which the NYPD made an arrest. But rather than ignoring the problem or trying to hide it, the people at OWS have addressed it directly through the General Assembly, through a series of special meetings, and through several working groups. The result has been increased security through various strategies ranging from traditional (recruiting and training big, imposing looking security volunteers) to less traditional (recruiting and training volunteers in nonviolent conflict resolution). If you spend any time in Zuccotti Park, you will not find it be threatening, hostile, or dangerous. Instead you will find it to be mellow, friendly, and inviting. Marilyn and I spent yesterday preparing food that we will bring there today. All the dishes we made are vegan. Even though we are not even vegetarians, let alone vegans, we figure that anyone can eat vegan food. Also, if things get rough, you can attack your opponents with our cold sesame noodles. :-) The bottom line is don't uncritically accept anything the media have to say. They all serve the interests of their corporate owners. --- Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:03 AM So Jack Abramoff is the excuse de jour on why people should just sit on their hands and not even try to be part of fixing out messed up country... There are always people like that... Martin Niemoller was addressing those folks when he penned , "And then they came for me..." But if it makes the "classless and free" all warm and fuzzy then screw 'um... Their choice... There's are alternatives and OWS is out there putting the pressure on the system... If any of the "classless and free" have a better idea then put it out there... If not then it's all just SSDD from them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:55 AM Hey!..Were you ever able to open up those attachments??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:54 AM Yeah, I was going to post something about it earlier, but I figured everyone was into the partisan bullshit, and it wouldn't have sunk in!!..Thanks to 'Bobad' for bringing it up! I'm thinking the rest, except for a few, are alternating between Herman Cain, and Kim Kardasian!..for their mental stimulation! I think it both disgusting, and disappointing that so-called 'hip' people are so screwed up, and have no fucking clue! Regards Hawk!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:33 AM Yeah, that article and video are really something. The extent of corruption revealed by Mr Abramoff is incredible. It's like a pandemic that has poisoned the entire existing system of government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:09 AM bobad, Until I listened to the Abramoff, 60 minute interview, I believed that we could fix our broken government by simply taking the corporate money out of our politics, by publicly funding elections we could have our elected officials actually working for ALL the American people, for a change. But I did not understand the extent of the corruption problem we face. It is no longer just a case of corporate money flowing from lobbyist's to either elect or destroy a candidate, they have gone further. They basically get the Congress members chief of staff in their pocket. This is the same, or even better, than the member of Congress, the chief of staff controls everything the member sees or doesn't see, and is even able to insert secret legislation into complicated and lengthy bills, often without the members fully understanding it's implications. But they have gone even further and cut out the middleman altogether. Now that the Koch Tea Party has managed to get dozens of their "Trojan Horse" candidates elected, not just to Congress, but also to Governorships all around the country, the elected official can be manipulated directly. Go to the link for a transcript of excerpts from the interview, or you can watch the interview itself. text and interview How many partisan clones out there think corporations could do their corruption....without corrupt politician's help??? The rest is nonsensical political posturing! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:33 AM The repeal of the anti-union law in Ohio today is a prime example of what a popular movement with a specific objective can accomplish. And I didn't notice anyone beating a drum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lox Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:17 PM Its just absurd anyway when you consider the whole tea party "Obama isn't American" and "Obama is an Islamist" nonsense that goes on. The tea party is a load of wasps defending their privileged status. The tea party is all about the NRA etc. If anyone has similarities with the Klan its the Kochs - the 2 K's ... There's kind of a wild desperation in comparisons like BB's KKK 'parallel' that leaves me pretty weirded out. And I wonder how he would feel if an inappropriate comparison were made with the holocaust? No - I don't think OWS, a pro civil rights and pro democracy movement can be compared sanely to 300 years of lynchings and other abuses of African Americans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,jts Date: 08 Nov 11 - 05:43 PM Wasn't it bruce that initiated the misspelling Bruce your statement is pretty out of line. Protesting that the Koch's should pay their share of taxes and should not have extraordinary access to free speech is hardly the same as a burning cross on a poor man's lawn. But it is no more out of line than all of the "class warfare" BS your sources propagate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Nov 11 - 04:51 PM Dang right, BB. The Klan hates their name being spelt wrong. They probably have Greg down on their blacklist now... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: gnu Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:55 PM Oops... my bad TIA. "If you're bringing ordinance, make sure the other side doesn't have you out-gunned." I was asked at an interview for RMC (I was accepted at 18 years of age but didn't go... long story) if I would give the orders to fire on Canuck civilians if ordered to do so by the government during insurrection. "No." I'll not tell the whole conversation but in the end, the colonel essentially said the CAF had more than enough firepower to take out the citizens. I asked, "Who would they govern?" Deal is, if it comes down to brass tacks, the government (read, the rich) will "win", but it will cost them and I don't think they will be willing to pay that cost. On that happy note, have fun with it. It is a never-ending discussion. Until it comes down to brass tacks and anyone who doesn't think that can happen in the good-ol-USA oughta pick up a history book. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:11 PM " From: Greg F. Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:27 PM Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south. Hard to make out if this is a statement from an ignoramus, an idiot, or a jackass. Perhaps just more BBBS, BBBS." I can see why Greggie is upset- The Klan always is upset when it is not spelled the way they want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 08 Nov 11 - 03:05 PM Guest TIA- Thanx. It's a distinction of which I should have been aware, but wasn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Nov 11 - 01:16 AM Hate to be pedantic... ordinance is a law or regulation. ordnance is explosive. Spent too much time detecting unexploded ordnance to let it pass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 11 - 09:32 PM Gnu- If you're bringing ordinance, make sure the other side doesn't have you out-gunned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 11 - 08:09 PM Yeah... Seems that the DC OWS group is going to march on the homes of the rich... That's a good start... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: gnu Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:57 PM Violence in the streets will do no good. Violence in the homes of those that perpetrate the war on the poor will. The governments of the west, on behalf of the rich of the west (and east, north and south), perpetrate same in the houses of the rich in foreign countries. They throw cruise missiles around like toys and subjugate the poor in those foreign lands and in their own lands. Death away and at home. Fuck Wall Street. Camp on their fucking lawns. And bring some ordinance. Because that might make the fuckers understand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:02 PM Corporate media is out to destroy OWS... It won't give a fair accounting no matter what... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:40 PM As I mentioned above, about the 1999 "Battle in Seattle," somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 people marching and demonstrating peacefully, and some 200 goons from out-of-state try to turn the peaceful demonstration into a riot. Then, of course, the news services dub it the "Battle in Seattle" (very clever!), ignored the tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and focused on the smashed plate glass windows, the fires set in Dumpsters, and the riot police and their night-sticks. And, of course, what those tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators were protesting about got lost in the clouds of smoke and tear gas. Someone's fine Machiavellian hand is behind that sort of thing, counting on the idea that the news services are going to gleefully concentrate on any violence that occurs. "If it bleeds, it leads!" Trying to focus peoples' attention on the few random acts of violence (most of which are manufactured) and blowing them all out of proportion is an attenpt to get people to forget what the demonstration is all about in the first place. Same old same old! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:48 PM Yeah, there will bo co-opting pf OWS... There will be "plants", however, who will do dumb stuff to try to discredit OWS... Everyone in OWS pledges non-violence, including respecting private property... I don't recall any protestors going to people homes... I'm sure it has occurred but not enough to make it look copy-cat... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:27 PM Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south. Hard to make out if this is a statement from an ignoramus, an idiot, or a jackass. Perhaps just more BBBS, BBBS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 07 Nov 11 - 03:35 PM BB, I watched the video several times. All the Occupy DC folks are facing the other way and chanting as the woman is getting off the bus with several other people behind her, also getting off the bus. One does not see anyone PUSH her. It is far more likely that, on the bottom step of the bus's door, she stumbled and fell. Fox News and eleventy-fourteen Right-Wing web sites glommed onto it and made a lot of assumptions from no clear evidence. In fact, what evidence there is indicates that she stumbled on the last step. Or was pushed from behind by someone getting off the bus, quite probably by accident. With lots of folks, the only exercise they get is leaping to conclusions. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 07 Nov 11 - 02:14 PM Well, Bobert, the Left has a record of mobbing peoples houses and threatening their families. But it would be better if OWS kept to picketing the business place, and left the families alone. Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south. btw, I think the following is the action of a small subset of the OWS- and not representative of the group. Yet it IS an example f how the movement is being co-opted towards violent ends that will rebound against their goals. "Occupy DC Protesters assaulted conservatives as they exited an Americans For Prosperity "Tribute to Ronald Reagan" dinner. This elderly woman, 78 years old, rode 11 hrs on a bus from Detroit to attend the dinner. After the attack she was taken to hospital with multiple injuries, a bloody nose which developed after the fall, and a large knot on her head. After x-rays and a CAT scan, she was released the following morning with cuts and large bruises." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 11 - 01:39 PM And K Street... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:40 AM Yup, that's coming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:14 AM Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:16 AM We had the Whitehouse and Treasury block surrounded 3 to 5 people deep yesterday. Extremely light law enforcement presence. Totally peaceful. No count of how many people, but it had to be upwards of 10000. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 07 Nov 11 - 12:11 AM Thanks for posting that link, bodad. I saw the show and was about to post it, but you beat me to it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: bobad Date: 06 Nov 11 - 10:12 PM This is the kind of shit that has to go - not only in the US but in Canada too - nothing but bribery and influence peddling: Jack Abramoff |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 06 Nov 11 - 07:19 PM Same folks who hired the goons who disrupted the poll workers in the 2000 Florida recount... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 06 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM The WTO conference in Seattle in 1999 sparked a massive demonstration by union members and working stiffs all over the area. I mean massive! Depending on whose figures you believe, there were between 50,000 and 100,000 peaceful demonstrators, marching and chanting. What turned it into what the press insisted on calling the "Battle in Seattle" was a band of about 200 interlopers that a friend of mine, a carpenter and construction worker who was participating in the, until then, peaceful protest, said were a bunch of thugs, some imported from eastern Oregon and others from northern Idaho (both reputed to be locations of neo-Nazi and "survivalist" paramilitary groups) who ran amok, smashing plate glass windows in downtown department stores and setting fires. The next to arrive were the Seattle riot police, supplemented by reinforcements from police departments from neighboring municipalities, and the National Guard. The peaceful protest got lost in all the mayhem. And the press had a ball! Who the hell were these people and why were they there? Inquiring minds want to know. I.e., who hired them? Any guesses? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:57 PM BTW, this idea that some folks have been pushing so hard about both parties being the same is BS... They aren't... The Dems are at best, bad... But the Rrepublicans, at best, are much worse... And this from an active OWSer... We need to keep some reality in the discussion... And more $$$$ (way more) go to the Repubs by the corporations, especially since "Citizens United"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Stringsinger Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:24 PM In Oakland, some of the hooded black suited vandals were seen talking to the police before the window smashing and fires. Many of them may have been Agent Provacateurs hired by the police. The AK47 in Atlanta was definitely not part of the OWS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:19 PM Well, back in 1970 I was the rector of the Radical Student Union at VCU and we were having a meeting when two guys I didn't recognize as even being students at the university (not that I knew everyone but I knew the radicals) and these guys were talkin' about firebombing VCU's president's house there on campus... Well, I knew about plants from other organizers I had met at other rallies so I put these guys out... This is the stage where Boss Hog is going to pull a lot of dirty tricks on OWS chapters... Given the "pledge" that all OWSers take to abide by non-violence it is highly unlikely that any OWSer had an AK-47... We will be seeing more of Boss Hog's handiwork in the coming weeks... "We won't get fooled again"... Yeah, we won't but the cops will... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Stringsinger Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:09 PM "Occupy Atlanta was broken up last night by the police. The arrests were peaceful. The mayor was quoted as saying that an AK-47 was spoted in the crowd earlier in the day." It gets worse. A motorcycle cop deliberately rammed into a peaceful OWS member and had the nerve to arrest him after he had injured him. The police made a great show of bombast in military style to intimidate and incite the OWS but they were unable to do so. They were ludicrous in their employment of a swat team, a riot-geared baton wielding presence, horseback riders against a peaceful unarmed group of OWS of which I consider myself a part. My wife and I took our banjo down to the park encampment and played and sang rewritten protest songs in honor of the demonstration. We left before the police acted but we followed the events on Occupy Atlanta site. That day, my wife and I attended a General Assembly in the park (now named Troy Davis Park by the OWS) and were blown away at how organized it was, peaceful and tolerant in spite of one obstreperous disturbed street person. OWS Atlanta is feeding the hungry street people despite the Mayor Kasim Reed who closed down a woman and child center and another shelter sending occupants out on the street as well as intimidating us with a military storm trooper display. There were at least five arrests. OWS is showing Americans why we are in trouble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Nov 11 - 04:34 AM "Corruption is NOT limited to just any one party!" Where on the thread did anyone say THAT? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Nov 11 - 12:38 AM I know there are those on here that thinks the Democrats are 'clean' and supporting the OWS....because the Democrats are against Wall Street, and for the '99%-ters'....just like this one It's not the 'party' its the CORRUPTION..for the milllionth time! . Hey Bobert, you still didn't spin the other one yet..about 'Fast and Furious'....(Hassenfus and his C-5A revisited)! Corruption is NOT limited to just any one party! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 06 Nov 11 - 12:30 AM blah, blah, blah... Who's is going to DC tomorrow? No more f'ing talk. Get In The Streets People! (not talking to you Bobert, Steve and a few others) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: goatfell Date: 05 Nov 11 - 08:05 AM Good for them ,time we got rid of the fat cats and the fat cat supporters |
