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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 07:43 AM

Indeed Bobad,

Though in fact things have changed .... the wealth has become considerably more concentrated than it was in the 60's...

Which I know entirely backs up your point, but I felt it might be helpful to nit pick in a friendly way for a change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 10:35 PM

Plus ça change

"The modern concentration of wealth is fantastic. The wealthiest one percent of Americans own more than 80 percent of all personal shares of stock. From World War II until the mid-Fifties, the 50 biggest corporations increased their manufacturing production from 17 to 23 percent of the national total, and the share of the largest 200 companies rose from 30 to 37 percent. To regard the various decisions of these elites as purely economic is short-sighted: their decisions affect in a momentous way the entire fabric of social life in America. Foreign investments influence political policies in under-developed areas -- and our efforts to build a "profitable" capitalist world blind our foreign policy to mankind's needs and destiny. The drive for sales spurs phenomenal advertising efforts; the ethical drug industry, for instance, spent more than $750 million on promotions in 1960, nearly for times the amount available to all American medical schools for their educational programs. The arts, too, are organized substantially according to their commercial appeal aesthetic values are subordinated to exchange values, and writers swiftly learn to consider the commercial market as much as the humanistic marketplace of ideas. The tendency to over-production, to gluts of surplus commodities, encourages "market research" techniques to deliberately create pseudo-needs in consumers -- we learn to buy "smart" things, regardless of their utility -- and introduces wasteful "planned obsolescence" as a permanent feature of business strategy. While real social needs accumulate as rapidly as profits, it becomes evident that Money, instead of dignity of character, remains a pivotal American value and Profitability, instead of social use, a pivotal standard in determining priorities of resource allocation."

From: Port Huron Statement of the Students for a Democratic Society, 1962


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 10:04 PM

Ney beered bruce,

The Tea party angry person (as opposed to a Koch Bros/Dick Army operative) and an OWS person are each angry and in need of a system change, equally.

There is a cross over. You won't see it on FOX but it is there.

A gulf will remain between the Hannity-LImbaugh addict tea party person and a concerned OWS person of any age. The problem there is one of intelligence and indoctrination. Its what I call the 20% loon factor which will always outweigh factual commonalities that would normally bind victimized Americans together.

Have a beer on me.



I have always seen the Tea party as a pre fabricated niche made to contain the religious right within a Republican structure despite the mistrust and betrayal the base had with the Republican regieme.

Think tanks warned of blow back so a holding pen was built to contain those running for the exits. It was a good plan but (to put it in a kind way) it did not hold the 99% of people who tend to be a wee bit nore informed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:47 PM

(from another thread but fits best here)

The last 10 years.

Imagine the paranoia of a German Jew in 1934.
The mood is omninous but still attributable to silly paranoia.

Gradually it feels more real until overnight on Krystalnacht there is longer room for doubt for victims and perpetraors alike.

Year seven of the Bush administration felt similar to 1936 Germany.
caged pens for free speech, homeland security researching the books people checked out of my local library, warrentless wiretaps, secret break ins to homes, personal firebombs found in yard, sick and evil rumor campaigns, patriotic war cries ad absurdum. with us or against us, tip lines, focused hate campaigns on the radio 24/7, no travel bans, push for national IDs and birth certifide passports to visit Canada, jailing people without rule of law but by Presidential order, TORTURE...

Yeah it was getting hairy here. Then they took all the money supply away and gave it to the Uber rich.

Suddenly the super patriot saw himself as a target and victim of der leader and wised up at least to the point of suspicion. Then he lost his job, his house, his [ension, unemployment insurance, food stamps, and all the talk radio shock troops had a different ring to it. Mr uber patriot was mad but twisted into a neurotic pretzel.
At least his guns and Bible remained unchanged. But then a BLACK man is President? This was the fault of those socialist intellectuals for sure. Then a rumor that Obama would take away the ammunition led to an all time hoarding and mass sales of bullets the country has ever seen. Now the former Bush patriot had all the guns and ammunition but not their kids, they still went to war. Some did not return. All the Hope and all the change did not bring jobs back to Bush patriots again. Joe the patriot joined a prefabricated Tea Party to vent real anger. They were told to vent that anger at the balck guy who made death panels and evil Obamacare...go scream at a town hall meeting... we know the rest.

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If the economic collapse did not occure until after the election, McCain and Palin would in fact be in office and corporate fascism would have devoured even more to the point of 50% unemployment, no auto companies left and no means to counter actual stark starvation in America.
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Believe me, the current Depression could have been much worse. The form of fascist corporate dictatorship during the Bush years would have evolved into something similar to 1938 Germany.

We are not out of the Bush woods yet. Today America has more factory prisons than Germany. Like exEnron employees going to Wall St, the remenants of the neo con fascists are lurking for a reincarnation.

Thank God OWS has spread now !!!!!!
If it had waited even another year, the crack down by police authority could possibly be similar to Syria.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:10 PM

Yeah, the Kochs are throwing the house at Ohio and Wisconsin... They are scared that the Dems will make them stop polluting our air and poisoning our water...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:05 PM

Scott Walker is spending 80 million bucks of Koch money just for the recall vote.

Get ready to witness the first ever 4 BILLION dollar election.
(this is the result of corporate lobbyests winning the unlimited money decision and unlimited super pac money bypassing many campaign finance laws in place for a century.)

With any luck one Jib Jab video will nullify 2 billion dollars worth of corporate ads.

FOlks like the Koch Bros feel like they are so close to a complete takeover of the government by defunding and COngress by paid stooge, they will pull out all the stops. I think we all sense the showdown.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 07:15 PM

No leaders, dick, and no decisions are two different things... There are decisions made every day by various OWSer groups... The Oakland OWS has spoken thru it's own "general assembly" to denounce the people who acted outside of OWS and did damage in Oakland...

As for decisions, the New York OWS group has received some donations and decided, thru a democratic vote in their general assembly to give $20,000 to the Oakland group...

These decisions are fascinating... It is democracy within the groups and unbeknownst to anyone who is not part of the OWS involves people getting up and saying what they think, much like a hearing, and then a vote... Everyone at the general assembly has a vote...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 07:06 PM

We've had this alleged link between Soros and OWS mentioned on here before.

It doesn't add up - the occupy movement is happening in Spain,, Greece, Tel Aviv, London etc etc etc

The Tea Party is exclusively American.

Why?

Because one was orchestrated and the other was Grass Roots.

The OWS in America happened After the ones in Spain,, Greece and Tel Aviv.

Soros' connection to OWS is so tenuous as to be non existent - he owns a company that has links to a paper that once expressed a similar idea to the occupy protests ...

But the occupy thing has been the result of sicial media udoing two things 1. undermining mainstream media and 2. bringing hitherto isolated people together and repoliticaizing jaded apathetic society.

To control the people, you need to control the information and keep them divided.

Social media and the internet have totally undermined both of these.

We should be happy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:33 PM

The 99% does not refer to a political group or collection of views.

It refers to those who aren't part of the 1% that controls the vast majority of the wealth.

The occupy movement refers to those members of the 99% who wish to hold corporatioons to account and who wish to return the political system from corporatocracy to democracy - ie - where those with the money do not have exclusive political rights and influence, but the same access to government and the same political power as every other individual.

The Tea Party is made up of some members of the 99%, but was orchestrated by the 1%.

Its an interesting mix of boundary definitions, but one that does stand up to scrutiny.

Just because you are on the side of the slaveowner, doesn't make you less of a slave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:26 PM

They were Republicans, Dick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:25 PM

In a movement that claims no leadership and operates by consensus, how can it disavow the actions of window breakers? What's the mechanism?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 04:41 PM

Good on ya Steve.
I'm off to DC this weekend with a vanload of students.
Hoping for nice weather, but will put up with whatever.
Apparently I can submit my gas receipt to George Soros.
Who knew!?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:26 PM

Greetings:

Marilyn and I been doing, but we have taken most of the week off and we will be at the Eisteddfod Traditional Music Festival this weekend. If all goes well, we will return to Zuccotti Park this coming Monday or Tuesday with more home cooked food and home spun songs to share.

Meanwhile, if you are on Facebook, please check out Occupy Folk Music.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:34 PM

Right on, TIA...

Too much hot air, subterfuge, smoke, mirrors and out right lies coming from the righties...

Normal for them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:31 PM

There's talkers, and there's do'ers.
Shut up and do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:02 PM

Heck of a food fight while I was away... That Cheeze-Whiz on the ceiling???

But at the end of the day, bearded bruce, can't produce much more than hot air in trying to prove that the left is as well funded as the right... But it was plenty of hot air... Surprised that it didn't melt down Max's computers...

Fact is that it would take 100 George Soroses to get in the same league as the Koch brothers alone... Throw in the hundreds of million$$$ that the health insurance companies have funneled thru Dick Aremy's FreddomWorks its it's no wonder when you need a per-authorization before you can get them to pay for anything that they automatically say, "NO"... They don't have any $$$ left after buying politicians and making their boatt and McMansion payments, poor dears...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:29 PM

Grins...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:24 PM

I agree, Donuel, but I wasn't referring to that. We cross-posted. I was referring to Spleen Cringe's last post about bad tempered threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:12 PM

The hegemony was acutely aware of blowback. That is what has driven the rise in security scams, cameras, Xray trucks, sound cannons and stuff too cruel to mention. The security systems they have bought and sold were designed to work against patriotic civilian populations as much as they were designed to thwart terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

Their legendary hegemony in that regard is coming under serious threat. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

At this stage the people in the street are we the people, whatever you want to call yourself. Becoming experienced with the fact that you are not all alone in this is empowering and educational.
That in itself is what matters today. Maybe it leads to Wall St regulations or justice for the criminal individuals and Cabals who have stolen vast unheard of sums of money, and want you to pay for it and then again maybe it won't.

Relatively few people here have enabled Corporations to delibereately hurt America and Americans. Those who have faithfully served the 1% by lieing or processing schemes of extortion and swindles may not even be acutely aware of what they did.

Fewer still knew exactly what they were doing with direct involvment in fraud, theft and other high crimes and misdemeaners. They did so with intrepidation believeing that they were immune to prosecution, protected by the firm or simply so priviledged that they think in terms of being above the law. If pressed for an explanation most of them just say "everyone was doing it".

The inevitable blow back is here. More power to you who have put yourwords AND bodies on the line for the rest of us.

When the police FBI and courts do not do their job its up to us to do ours.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:27 PM

Cor. I thought it was us Brits who were supposed to have the monopoly on bad tempered threads!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:20 PM

Dear Bing hamton,

You are correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:07 PM

Us two? Seems more like Beardie Against The World.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

Would you two guys GET A FUCKING ROOM!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:46 PM

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/10/18/poll-ows-protesters-violence/



So, greggie, you continue to have no way to dispute my points but to attack me? Not ONE comment in your post about the topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:43 PM

Relax, TIA, just more bullshit from one of the 'cat's most prolific bullshitters. Think hereafter I'll shorten Bearder Bruce Bull Shit to simply posting BBBS (something of Beethoven about it, no?) to save typing & everyone will know what it means.

You have to admire his persistence, though- even shown to be wrong he keeps sticking to the same line of crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:42 PM

Guest, TIA

Both sources look good- but they discuss ONLY the donations through a specific channel. I am sure that if I said that the bank accounts for a Tea Party group show only the donations from individuals in small amounts, you would not accept that as proof that others did not provide funding and support.

I am certainly willing to say that MOST of the OWS are sincere, well-meaning, and not aware that there are others using the movement for their own purposes.

When I hear Bobert say that about the Tea Party, I might have some respect for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:32 PM

also;
http://philanthropy.com/article/Occupy-Wall-Street-Raises-More/129595/


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:30 PM

Oh, and since you didn't like the previous info, try this;

http://www.dailydot.com/news/new-data-occupy-wall-street-funding/

Of course since it does not agree with you, you will dismiss it.
But I am backing up the talk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:27 PM

Okay Bruce, it's your turn.
Back up your assertions.
You didn't like mine, but I did it didn't I?
You ain't done jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:19 PM

Guest, TIA

The clickies you posted are to a site that has a bias- IT is funded by:
American Legacy Foundation
Bauman Family Foundation
Careth Foundation
Carolyn Foundation
Changing Horizons Charitable Trust
Courtney's Foundation
CS Fund
Deer Creek Foundation
Educational Foundation of America
Ettinger Foundation
Ford Foundation
Foundation for Deep Ecology
Foundation for Political Management
Funding Exchange
Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund
Grodzins Fund
Helena Rubinstein Foundation
HKH Foundation
Litowitz Foundation
Marisla Foundation
Mostyn Foundation
Open Society Institute
Park Foundation
Public Welfare Foundation
Proteus Fund
V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation
Rockefeller Associates
Rockefeller Family Foundation
Rockwood Fund
Stern Family Fund
Schumann Center for Media and Democracy
Sunlight Foundation
Threshold Foundation
Tides Foundation
Town Creek Foundation
Turner Foundation
Wallace Global Fund
Winslow Foundation


They do not talk about the funding for OWS. Yet the wording is obviously pro-OWS and anti-Tea Party.

Tides is Soros- and if YOU would not accept a right-wing source, why should I accept a left-wing one?

I have seen visible union support of the OWS groups- which they are entitled to do, but DON'T tell me that that is not supposed to be counted against the support that the large number of independent Tea Party groups get from their supporters.

Both Soros and Koch are entitled to support groups that they think are correct- as are we all. But Bobert's claim goes beyond that, and has not (yet) been demonstrated to be based on facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:48 AM

or are we to have censorship here to insure the "correct" viewpoint is the only one allowed to be posted?

You're right, Beardie ... "THEY" are out to get you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

what evidence [Bobert] has of that Tea Party Funding

Sorry, Beardie, that dog won't hunt, and that dodge won't work.

Tea Potty funding has been amply and conclusively documented by sources that run the gamut of left/right political spectrum. Hell, the Koch boys, the Coors family & all the rest not only admit it, they brag about it.

You may be in denial, but that's your problem.

Now, back to your source/documentation of your statement that "There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as is behind the Tea Party."

Documentation? Source? Or more bullshit? Your move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

Actually, according to Source Watch, Bobert has it just about right:
Compare these two descriptions of the organizations and how they are supported:


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Occupy_Wall_Street


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:04 AM

"
And the point you are trying to make in posting the AP story is what, precisely?
"




My reply to this was removed by the mudelf, as I had slurred my name and the start together . Can it be restored , or are we to have censorship here to insure the "correct" viewpoint is the only one allowed to be posted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:00 AM

Greggie boy,

So YOU are stating that Bobert has no supporting evidence of his claim, and is a bullshitting liar???


ELF- LOOK AT Greg F.'s post before YOU delete mine for Bullshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:54 AM

sorry- fat fingers...


"At an evening briefing, interim Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said officials believed that only about 60 or 70 of them -- black-garbed with kerchiefs covering their faces -- were believed to be committing acts of vandalism. Throughout Wednesday, members of the crowd had attempted to redirect and dissuade those self-described anarchists. When they broke windows and defaced several banks with graffiti, some Occupy Oakland protesters returned to scrub the walls of a Wells Fargo bank branch. Another placed a sign on the shattered window of a Chase bank branch that read, "We are better than this."

Some on the plaza said a small faction of demonstrators may have broken into a coffee shop, earning the ire of others in the movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:12 AM

Thanks for confirming that you can cite no source & thestatement is, in fact, Beardie Bullshit. Appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:10 AM

Greggie,

As stated in a removed post:

MY comment was that "There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as (Far right money) is behind the Tea Party."

When you have asked Bobert how much, and what evidence he has of that Tea Party Funding, I will show that the Far left has contributed to the OWS. Until then, you have no basis to ask for proof from me, as you accept Bobert without any proof..


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:06 AM

The link/clickie would have been sufficient, Beardie.

And the point you are trying to make in posting the AP story is what, precisely?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:03 AM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/02/BA5G1LQ06S.DTL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:02 AM

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/02/general-strike-protesters-shut-down-port-of-oakland/


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:01 AM

I will try to post this, now for the fourth time:



http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111103/D9QP7IC80.html

"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - A day of demonstrations in Oakland that began as a significant step toward expanding the political and economic influence of the Occupy Wall Street movement, ended with police in riot gear arresting dozens of protesters who had marched through downtown to break into a vacant building, shattering windows, spraying graffiti and setting fires along the way.
"We go from having a peaceful movement to now just chaos," said protester Monique Agnew, 40.
The far-flung movement of protesters challenging the world's economic systems and distribution of wealth has gained momentum in recent weeks, capturing the world's attention by shutting down one of the nation's busiest shipping ports toward the end of a daylong "general strike" that prompted solidarity rallies across the U.S.
About 3,000 people converged on the Port of Oakland, the nation's fifth-busiest harbor, in a nearly five-hour protest Wednesday, swarming the area and blocking exits and streets with illegally parked vehicles and hastily-erected, chain-link fences.
Port officials said they were forced to cease maritime operations, citing concerns for workers' safety. They said in a statement they hope to resume operations Thursday "and that Port workers will be allowed to get to their jobs without incident. Continued missed shifts represent economic hardship for maritime workers, truckers, and their families, as well as lost jobs and lost tax revenue for our region."
Supporters in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and elsewhere staged smaller-scale demonstrations; each group saying its protest was a show of support for the Oakland movement, which became a rallying point when an Iraq War veteran was seriously injured in a clash with police last week.
The larger Occupy movement has yet to coalesce into an organized association and until the port shut down had largely been limited scattershot marches, rallies and tent encampments since it began in September.
Organizers in Oakland had viewed the day as a significant victory. Police said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations throughout the day that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism.
One of the protest leaders, Boots Riley, touted the day as a success, saying "we put together an ideological principle that the mainstream media wouldn't talk about two months ago."
His comments came before a group of demonstrators moved to break into the Travelers Aid building in order to, as some shouting protesters put it, "reclaim the building for the people."
Riley, whose anti-capitalist views are well-documented, considered the port shut down particularly significant for organizers who targeted it in an effort to stop the "flow of capital." The port sends goods primarily to Asia, including wine as well as rice, fruits and nuts, and handles imported electronics, apparel and manufacturing equipment, mostly from Asia, as well as cars and parts from Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai. An accounting of the financial toll from the shutdown was not immediately available.
The potential for the chaos that ultimately erupted was not something Riley wanted to even consider.
"If they do that after all this ..." He paused, then added, "They're smarter than that."
But the peace that abided throughout the day, did not last into the night.
Occupy protesters voicing anger over a budget trim that forced the closure of a homeless aid program converged on the empty building where it had been housed. They blocked off city streets with Dumpsters and other large trash bins, starting bonfires that leapt 15-feet in the air."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:51 AM

"Oakland Police responded to a late night call that protesters had broken into and occupied a downtown building and set several simultaneous fires," the statement read. "The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles, and flaming objects at responding officers. Several private and municipal buildings sustained heavy vandalism. Dozens of protesters wielding shields were surrounded and arrested."
Protesters reported running from several rounds of tear gas and bright flashes and deafening pops that some thought were caused by "flash bang" grenades. Fire crews arrived and suppressed the flames.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:44 AM

There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as is behind the Tea Party.

Source for this assertion, please. Or just more Beardie Bullshit?

Also, please define "Far Left"


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:34 AM

Bruce, You'll have to forgive Bobert's ridiculous, rants, about anything that has to do with real re-actions...unless they are promoted by the Democratic Party. He has issues.

GfS


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From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:30 AM

Bobert,

I disagree. There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ( Look at what the UNIONS have contributed, and where they got that money) as is behind the Tea Party.


I don't see where the OWS folks will ever see that most of the rank 'n file are dupes and stooges working against their own best interests...


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From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:17 AM

Well, bruce... If one looks at the over lapping circle concept there is a sliver of common ground but only a sliver...

The Tea Party isn't a party at all.... It is just the rightest falnk of the Republican party's base... It was organized by hundreds of million$$$ of corporate money, that same folks who OWS think have way too much influence over our government...

I would guess if there is any common ground it's that each is angry...

The Tea Party is angry at the government which, BTW, is not a surprise since the Republican Party has lived at the hate-the-government table going back to Reagan who said it was the problem... The OWSer are angry at the corporations which have used billion$$$ over the years to bust unions, chip away at the New Deal and buy up gobs and gobs of the the government...

That's the deal... I don't see where the Tea Party folks will ever see that most of the rank 'n file are dupes and stooges working against their own best interests...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:40 AM

Then I fail to see a valid claim of representing 99%- But I guess 80% doesn't sound as good.


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