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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 09 Dec 11 - 06:11 AM "From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 09 Dec 11 - 05:01 AM And that is ALL that is on Page 532, as it is the short 'foreward' to the Chapter, which starts on page 533 and has NOTHING to do with what the racist bastard on this site has written above." Oh dear, looks like Ms Cornish is calling me a racist bastard. Will you remove her post. I had "our mutual friend" send it to Max by email. Max did request problems be brought to his attention. Keith.
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 09 Dec 11 - 05:41 AM An excellent blog on Leonard's case and his achievements whilst wrongfully imprisoned |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Dec 11 - 05:30 AM I think there are quite a few posts that contain false information. For what it is worth there is nothing at all wrong with my anus. :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 09 Dec 11 - 05:01 AM And that is ALL that is on Page 532, as it is the short 'foreward' to the Chapter, which starts on page 533 and has NOTHING to do with what the racist bastard on this site has written above. Neither do the preceding pages, or those which come after.... Just so's folk know.... "By the time I had turned the final page, I felt angry enough...to want to shout from the rooftops, "Wake up, America, before it's too late!" For Matthiessen, in this extraordinary, complex work, powerfully propounds several disturbing themes which the white majority in America will ignore at extreme peril." - Nick Kotz, The Washington Post "Mathiessen presents a convincing case not only for a retrial of Leonard Peltier but also for a re-examinatino of the real cost of the American Dream-in human lives, in mockery of justice, in squandered earth." - USA Today '....Kept off the shelves for eight years because of one of the most protracted and bitterly fought legal cases in publishing history, In The Spirit of Crazy Horse, makes clear why the traditional Indian concept of the sacred inviolability of the earth is so important, especially at a time when increasing populations are destroying the precious resources of our world. ' ALL the above quotes are taken from the outer back cover of the book. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 09 Dec 11 - 04:51 AM Now isn't that strange...you take that ?'quote'? from a site called 'No Parole Peltier' or some such thing.... Tell me, WHY would the FBI seek to get that book banned then? Come on, tell me, IF it says that in the book, you'd think they'd be overjoyed for everyone to read it. Yet they did ALL they could to stop it from getting 'out there'... "Curiouser and Curiouser" said Alice, as she stared at the uneasy faces of the FBI in front of her, along with those who supported them.... Then, Alice reached out for her book...and turned to Page 532: >>>>"Chapter 20 Red And Blue Days The white people have to surrender their arms to the Great Spirit. This purification is coming real soon, and all the guns and gold will melt. The holy spirit, the atom, the power of god, will melt those guns and tanks and poison gasses they create......They will be standing by themselves....When the time comes, there won't be no amnesty. We're going back to the beginning of time....I have no fear, I have no slightest fear whatsoever. Even if I have to face death like Chief Big Foot, it's very beautiful. We hold the key to eternity, where it is beautiful and it is everlasting for everyone. That's where we're going. We're going home. And finally, we will be back in the Great Spirit's hands again-Grandmother's arms again. She'll cradle us in her arms again." - Wallace Black Elk (Lakota)<<<< I'd suggest that Max removes your post, for he could well get into legal trouble for allowing that to be on his site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:48 PM Peltier still refuses to authorize release of the transcripts of the 2009 parole hearing, which details the reasons for the denial, including his criminal activities, bullying and sexual abuse of young males in prison. He has been very concerned about that information getting out. Then you have his lack of an alibi for the days Annie Mae was kidnapped, tortured, raped, photographed as a plaything and then murdered. 5 witnesses put him in the vicinity, Peltier said he can't recall where he was that day as he had been drinking. From the time he was arrested in Canada, several prisoners said he has been spooked by the ghost of Annie Mae, and of getting caught up in those charges. Wonder why? Read this account Ms Cornish, "Saint Leonard, standing over the bodies of two young men, moments after their heads were blown off by his AR-15 rifle, while Joe Stuntz models a dead man's jacket: "I seen Joe when he pulled it out of the trunk and looked at him when he put it on, and he gave me a smile." "I didn't think nothing about it at the time; all I could think of was, We got to get out of here." (Matthiessen, In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse, p.532)." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:01 PM ""bullshit"" It kinda took you awhile, now didnit? :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: gnu Date: 08 Dec 11 - 07:41 PM Ed... "Well, I heard back, gnu. Though it seems a bit garbled?" Say what? I'll be honest... I don't read all the posts. When the posts are long I just read enough to find out they are bullshit and don't provide any real facts. Anyone got any facts, I will read them. As far as anyone saying that someone else has facts that they are not using to free Lee... that's bullshit. I say... free Lee... get the job done. Stop asking me to sign a petition or donate money. If YOU can free Lee with the evidence you HAVE... why the fuck are you waiting for me to send you money? If you can free Lee... free Lee. If you don't do it today, you are a fraud who simply is looking to fleece people. Seriously... IF he is innocent and the evidence the AG holds can prove it, why is Lee in jail? Wait... I asked that question ages ago. Why am I still here in this thread? I know, but I am beginning to wonder if it's worth my time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 11 - 07:36 PM "Yet, even though well versed and entitled to I would not dream of inflicting my views on others." I fookin' near chocked on that. Warn a guy, wouldja? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 11 - 07:21 PM One of us spent a considerable amount of time studying American Indian literature and ethnography, and via that, culture, in graduate school. And it wasn't Dave or Bluesman. Thanks heavens for a breath of logic. I have said all along I know nothing of the case or the laws involved. I do not pretend to have the slightest inclination what the American Indian is going though. My own ethnography is Polish and Cossack - Who used to put each other down and have suffered at the hands of every man and his dog! Yet, even though well versed and entitled to I would not dream of inflicting my views on others. Yet some people would take us back to the Victorian times when it was fasinable to patronise the 'Noble Savege'. Thanks, SRS, for reminding everyone that NO-ONE here knows exactly what was involved. I just wish, for one minute, that others could understand that! Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 06:55 PM Well, I heard back, gnu. Though it seems a bit garbled? Ed T, What up bruda?!!! How are you Eddie mi man? It's been runnin a bit overtime since I've been back on the Free-Lee wagon-band. Heyman, heard about my last fight.....Iz been work'in on another planet.Loads of green. It's been tight work papa. Lets get it on again, and keep this train roll'in. Oye, time to get back on this train and gave da FBI-fuzzey-wuzzies a run for da money baby. Da loot is moot. Lee is off on me cause I wuzznt ponding to his Free Lee sails or emails. Anyhow just keep in touch, we'll likely have dis bird flying free in no time.Iz what I do, man. Keep cool Eddie guy! Take care allright. DO NOT SHARE The Ware!! Ramsey clark (knot, or knotty-oye) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: gnu Date: 08 Dec 11 - 06:17 PM Yo... anyone got Ramsey Clark's eaddy? I wanna send him an email and ask him why Lee is still in jail and what is being done to get him out of jail. Of course, if any of youse have already done this perhaps you could share the reply email? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 08 Dec 11 - 06:02 PM "Lizzie, If you feel as you do. Jump on a plane and stand outside the prison with a placard. Then I might give you the benefit of really believing what you write about. " Why stand OUTSIDE a prison, when you can talk to someone INSIDE it? Why deal with the prison direct, when you can deal with the Director of Prisons? There are so many things that people can do, if they want to, if they are interested, and AIM are only too pleased to welcome them on board. Oh...annd I really couldn't give a rat's arse if you 'believe' in me or not. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:58 PM While not as glamerous, and they won't likely link you with celebrity, here are a few causes in the UK to focus attention on, when time seems long: INNOCENT-the Manchester causes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:35 PM OK, since you asked, the rest of the tiny poem:) ""I dearly love a pasty, a 'ot leaky one; With mayt, turmit and taty, h'onyon and parsley in 'un The crus' be made weth suet, shaped like 'alf a moon; Crinkly h'edges, freshly baked 'e es alway gone too soon!"" Poem by Walter F. Gries of Marquette |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:33 PM ""I dearly love a pasty, a 'ot leaky one" Poem by Walter F. Gries of Marquette |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:31 PM Amazing how many folks in the UK are suddenly experts in the policies and lives of Indigenous people in the US. One of us spent a considerable amount of time studying American Indian literature and ethnography, and via that, culture, in graduate school. And it wasn't Dave or Bluesman. Give it a rest. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:21 PM Well. Thats a relief...Lizzie has found another crusade. Maybe she will leave the Brits alone now. Sorry for my US friends. It was just your turn. As for the case involved. I have no view. Apart from the fact that people trust the justice system they live under, or they don't. If they do, No problem, If they don't. Vote the government out. I just can't see that taking any notice of someone living in amother country could ever have any relevance is of any import. I really don't like the practices of many governments worldwide to be very palatable, Stonings, Beheadings, and what goes on in Zimbabwe, Tibet, North Korea. Is abhorrent. But, I do feel that ranting on Mudcat is just pointless. Lizzie, If you feel as you do. Jump on a plane and stand outside the prison with a placard. Then I might give you the benefit of really believing what you write about. I have no opinion on this particular case...Never met the bloke. Just feel sad for the victims and their families, whether he committed the crime or not. America...Welcome to Lizzie world....(At least it gets her off our backs for a while.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 11 - 04:43 PM Yet again I can only re-iterate what was said by a completely impartial publication as of two years ago - Never has he expressed any remorse etc. Nothing contained within his own words above has changed that. I have the upmost admiration and respect for everyone, bar the tiny handful who have proved to me thay do not deserve it. Peltier is not one of those. I am not and will not disrespect him. Maybe some of his supporters may win more respect by being more restrained though, Firing guns in anger often hurts innocent bystanders. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 08 Dec 11 - 04:35 PM "He has never admitted to this crime, because he did not do it. " Were you present at the scene ? LMFAO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: gnu Date: 08 Dec 11 - 04:09 PM "He tried, gnu, as does Leonard's current lawyer." Have you any links to the filing of lawsuits in respect of this matter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:22 PM "What I would suggest, if the statement is false, is that the supporters of Mr Peltier take the writer of the article to an appropriate judiciary and, with the money the will win for defamation of character, fund the campaign to free the man." They have FAR more IMPORTANT things to DO!! You have NO idea how hard these wonderful people are working, on behalf of Leonard, whom they passionately believe in! I fooking well do....so shove your head BACK up your putrid little arse and get the hell out of this thread, because the internet is filled with enough little turds who seem to think it's a real hoot to try to get Leonard Peltier's name dragged through the mud!! Show some respect to a man who, for nearly FORTY years, has been put through absolute living HELL, yet decided to not end his life, nor get bitter and twisted, becoming a Pillar of Strength and Inspiration for many hundreds of thousands of people out here, including Madame Mitterand, who died just the other day, who spent many decades also fighting on his behalf, as have many leaders and bloody marvellous people around the planet.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:17 PM He tried, gnu, as does Leonard's current lawyer. They have all been trying for 36 years now, some have died during the process. Can you see MY point? WHO and WHAT is it that is stopping this gross miscarriage of justice from being put right? It is Sinister to the point of Evil. And it is utterly racist too. "..Never has he expressed any remorse for the deaths of the two agents, in which at the very least he played a role..." I have to deal with this pile of shite....clear it away and refresh the air, remove the stench entirely. So, I have copied this out, word for word, from Leonard's book which now sits here on my desk, for it is filled with wisdom and humility, from a great writer. Taken from 'Prison Writings - My Life is My Sun Dance' by Leonard Peltier Chapter 3 (to be found on Page 13) "I have no apologies, only sorrow. I can't apologise for what I haven't done. But I can grieve, and I do. Every day, every hour, I grieve for those who died at the Oglala firefight in 1975 and for their families - for the families of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams and, yes, for the family of Joe Killsright Stuntz - whose death from a bullet at Oglala that same day, like the deaths of hundreds of other Indians at Pine Ridge at that terrible time, has never been investigated. My heart aches in remembering the suffering and fear under which so many of my people were forced to live at that time, the very suffering and fear that brought me and the others to Oglala that day - to defend the defenseless. And I'm filled with an aching sorrow, too, for the loss to my own family because, in a very real way, I also died on that day. I died to my family, to my children, to my grandchildren, to myself. I've lived out my death for more than "two decades now. ("it is now 36 years) Those who put me here and keep me here knowing of my innocence can take grim satisfaction in their sure reward - which is being who and what they are. That's as terrible a reward as any I could imagine. I know who and what I am. I am an Indian - an Indian who dared to stand up to defend his people. I am an innocent man who never murdered anyone nor wanted to. And yes, I am a Sun Dancer. That too, is my identity. If I am to suffer as a symbol of my people, then I will suffer proudly. I will never yield. If you, the loved ones of the agents who died at the Jumping Bull property that day, get some salve of satisfaction out of my being here, then at least I can give you that, even though innocent of theiri blood. I feel your loss as my own. Like you, I suffer that loss every day, every hour. And so does my family. We, too, know that incosolable grief. We Indians are born, we live, and we die with inconsolable grief. We've shared our common grief for over twenty-three years now, your families and mine, so how can we possibly be enemies? Perhaps it's with you and with us that the healing can start. You, the agents' families, certainly weren't at fault that day in 1975, any more than my family was, and yet you and they have suffered as much as, even more than, anyone there. It seems it's always the innocent who pay the highest price for injustice. It's seemed that way all my life. To the still-grieving Coler and Williams families I send my prayers if you will have them. I hope you will. They are the prayers of an entire people, not just my own. We have many dead of our own to pray for, and we join our sorrow to yours. Let our common grief be our bond. Let those prayers be the balm for your sorrow, not an innocent man's continued imprisonment. I state to you absolutely that, if I could possibly have prevented what happened that day, your menfolk would not have died. I would have died myself before knowingly permitting what happened to happen. And I certainly never pulled the trigger that did it. May the Creator strike me dead this moment if I lie. I cannot see how my being here, torn from my own grandchildren, can possibly mend your loss. I swear to you, I am guilty only of being Indian. That's why I am here. Being who I am, being who you are - that's Aboriginal Sin." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:12 PM Oh -SRS - Little more to say was in reference to a futile but poignant symbol of a defeated, broken people. Sad but true. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:07 PM I can only re-iterate what was said by a completely impartial publication as of two years ago - Never has he expressed any remorse for the deaths of the two agents, in which at the very least he played a role What I would suggest, if the statement is false, is that the supporters of Mr Peltier take the writer of the article to an appropriate judiciary and, with the money the will win for defamation of character, fund the campaign to free the man. Seemples. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: gnu Date: 08 Dec 11 - 02:17 PM "Holey Jumping Catfish! WHY can you not see what is right in front of you!" What I see is that this AG SAYS he has the proof but he's not doing anything with it. That's MY point. Can YOU see MY point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 08 Dec 11 - 01:50 PM "..Never has he expressed any remorse for the deaths of the two agents, in which at the very least he played a role..." That is totally wrong. He has never admitted to this crime, because he did not do it. He has, however, said how sorry he is for the men who died, and for the families. He has also said that if, in any way, his being in prison, despite being innocent, has given them some kind of comfort, then that is a good thing... Either get his 'Prison Writings'.....you can hear some of it online, find out about Leonard Peltier and all those who support him for the RIGHT reasons, or.............how can I put this?...shut the fuck up by with trying to make out this deeply Spiritual man, who has managed to stay incredibly strong spiritually, throughout 38 bloody years of bloody bloodiness, is some kind of nasty piece of work! Thank you so much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 08 Dec 11 - 01:27 PM I would say there is a good chance he will get out of prison by the weekend. The US justice system and FBI have to take heed of the comments here. Folk music forums have a lot of pull when it comes to cases like this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Dec 11 - 01:19 PM Not the final word, Dave. Trouble is,if you know you're innocent it is counter productive to admit remorse for doing an act that you didn't do. What a conundrum. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:40 PM The summary from a very enlightening and completely unbiased article in The Independant two years ago. This time, too, you'd have to bet against parole – despite the three long decades Peltier has been behind bars, despite a recent beating when he was transferred to a new prison, despite his poor health. Never has he expressed any remorse for the deaths of the two agents, in which at the very least he played a role. Instead, in all likelihood, he will remain a prisoner of a country he hates, a futile but poignant symbol of a defeated, broken people. I think there is little else needs saying. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:37 PM context. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:34 PM Actually, Ed. I have gone back and re read what I'd taken as responding to me in your broader contet. I think I owe you an apology. Sorry, Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:19 PM Oh dear... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:17 PM Jon: I don't recall posting that you said that? My comments are broader than you Jon. That's what I mean by the reading problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 12:03 PM Saying that it is a fact that the USA legal and law enfoprcement system is corrupt (ya know it's common knowledge), therefore this guy must be innocent does not pass a logic test. But I've not said this guy must be innocent... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:50 AM A diagnosis is intended to benefit the patient, not the dispenser. It is there for you to consider, or dispose of, as you see fit, Jon. I wish you well. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:43 AM Sorry Jon, may I suggest that, based on your last comments, you may have a reading problem? If you feel it helps you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:35 AM Oops, decision making process, not decuision making process. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:33 AM Sorry Jon, may I suggest that, based on your last comments, you may have a reading problem? In a nutshell, if there is a logical case to be made, I am interested. But, if logic is not used to support this case, expect someone to say so. Include me in the "someone" catagory. Saying that it is a fact that the USA legal and law enfoprcement system is corrupt (ya know it's common knowledge), therefore this guy must be innocent does not pass a logic test. Just because some parts of the legal and law enforcement system is corrupt, that doies not mean that one can conclude it all is. It does mean that we should build that knowledge into our decuision making process. Maybe the guy is innocent,maybe the court was right? The proof would be in this legal case, not in another one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Jeri Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:16 AM You can SAY I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... (sorry) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 10:58 AM We'd go around in circles Ed.... Your reading of my comments appears to make me a dreamer and my reading of yours is that you appear to be an apologist for a suspect system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 10:51 AM ""Oh well, each to their own realities I suppose."" True. One can have comfort in holding their own realities. This comfort zone can even be successfully shared with like thinking people. However, when these personal realities are brought forward publicly (such as in a discussion forum) to build and promote a case and a conclusion, they face the scrutiny of a wider audience. The logical validity of the case and the conclusion it presents is most often determined by whether it is built on sound foundation, or is based on shaky ground and good old "happenstance". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 11 - 10:37 AM Mayet: My apologies. You are correct. IF I'd looked further . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:55 AM Oh well, each to their own realities I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:47 AM Sorry Jon, but I am just being a realist rather than a dreamer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:46 AM ""In the United States, one is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. One does NOT have to prove innocence to be found "not guilty". I don't know if he's guilty or innocent, just that the trial was a mockery."" The operative consideration is "you are considered innocent until proven guilty, by a court of law". Once a court determines you are guilty of an offense(rightly or wrongly determined)in a legal proceeding, the ball is more in the court of the person found guilty, not the governments, to prove that they are not guilty in that there was an error in the legal proceeding, or new evidence has been found (that was not considered in the legal proceeding. Can anyone point to a case where an international legal body successfully overturned a legal court ruling of this type in any country? I ask that to clearify if this is an actual legal recourse, or just based on internet chatter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:45 AM Sorry Ed but to me you are reading like an apologist for a suspect system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Ed T Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:36 AM ""Fabricating evidence in a legal case and proceeding. This does occur and I think does raise a point from the Wikipedia article about the original trial:Unlike the juries in similar prosecutions against AIM leaders at the time, the Fargo jury were not allowed to hear about other cases in which the FBI had been rebuked for tampering with evidence and witnesses"" Law enforcement agencies have fabricated evidence in other cases in the past, (no surprise there) and likely will do so in the future. No conspiracy theory is needed to establish that. What is and is not allowed in a trial is complex, and I suspect is considered differently in different cases and by different judges. If something is not allowed that should have been would be grounds to be considered in a legal appeal. The appeals process considers if evidence should have been allowed, and if itshould have been, and it wasn't is likely to have changed the verdict outcome. Additionally, IMO, it should not be a surprise that the murder of "on duty" law enforcement agents is considered more significant in the legal system than the murder of the average Joe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: Mayet Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:31 AM Guest 999 Russell Means, an Oglala Sioux activist and prominent member of the American Indian Movement, has stated unequivocally "Everything about Leonard Peltier's case stinks of complete racism. No one including his lawyers argue this in court. Even Amnesty International is racist in not labeling him as a political prisoner." There are many references for the quote you posted but none from Amnesty International of which I am a supporter and which I do not believe to be a racist organization! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 08 Dec 11 - 09:26 AM Leonard Peltier has a history of gun crime,drug dealing and murder. He is also a looney leftist,and a member of a violent American Indian Movement. He is banged up and that is exactly where he will remain.You can dance around the pole all day and stamp your love, he en't getting out. |