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Subject: Anonymouse Posting From: Baz Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:03 PM I'm sorry if some of you guys object to this type of posting but I've been guilty of it over recent months. The reason being that I chose not to be a part of the Mudcat circle during what I felt to be a particularly nasty phase the Cat was going through. One of my own requests for information drew what I thought was a humourless offensive remark, not hurtful to me but to one of my disabled friends whom the post was intended to help. I didn't post a notice of farewell, look at some of the remarks to those that did! However I have looked in from time to time, I'm a lover of folk music and the Cat is still the best resource, and on these occasions if I've been able to help by re-directing someone or adding a tune then I have done so albeit anonymously. I choose not to suffer the slings and arrows and so reserve the right to remain anon. Regards On this occasion Baz |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Baz Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:08 PM MOUSE???? A Tipping Erarr Anonymousely Baz |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Banjer Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:17 PM ANONYMOUSE......I bet that's Mickey Mouse in sunglasses!! |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Margo Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:48 PM Banjer, I love it. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Helen Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:53 PM Baz, Nice to know that you didn't go away from the 'Cat. Whatever way we need to go to keep what we treasure and not get hurt is okay, in my humble opinion. It's better sometimes to put up a shield and still be part of the action than to get hurt and be so traumatised that it is easier to just walk away. Thanks for staying and still participating. I hope you start to feel more comfortable now Helen |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: katlaughing Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:54 PM Baz, I am really sorry to hear that you had such a negative experience. I hope you join us more often and next time, please, let the offender or somebody else know, so that things can be aired out, rather than people such as yourself leaving. Everyone is important here. katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: emily rain Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:54 PM baz, i affirm you. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Mían Date: 29 Sep 99 - 08:00 PM I don't mind anonymity, anon, o entity - 'tis rather ephemeral and ethereal and all that. spirit, y'all. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Big Mick Date: 29 Sep 99 - 08:54 PM Baz, I had noticed your absence. I would be very interested in knowing if I contributed in any way to your leaving, because I would surely apologize if it were warranted. You have always been a great contributor here and the village is lessened by your absence. Feel free to post here, or email me at mlane@accn.org. All the best, Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: _gargoyle Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:04 AM Stay all night Stay a little longer Pull off ya coat Throw it in the corner Don't see why Ya don stay a little longer.
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: JedMarum Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:31 AM anonymous posting is OK ... I did it once, by accident when I dropped my cookie ... don;t know how I did, but the member sign up page told me I did, and how to fix it ... so here I am, back wih my old face on.... |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Mudjack Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:35 AM Welcome back Baz and I have to say you have real style. To give one of those "so long, I've had enough" threads just does'nt chime a harmony to my taste either. A simple abstain can for what ever reason serve everyone. I still believe for what ever reason we go and come back into the Mud is what makes this site so special. Anom. is OK as long as we don't fan the flames. Good to have you back . Mudjack |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:42 AM Hi Baz, I've seen a heck of a lot of apologies on the "cat" (made a few myself) and if you'd let us know what your request was that received the hurtful reply, maybe things might get resolved in a better way. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Wolfgang Date: 30 Sep 99 - 04:59 AM Baz, thanks for the post.
Mudcatters, imagine how you would feel if you post (perhaps for the first time) a request and find that Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Vixen Date: 30 Sep 99 - 07:52 AM D'Cats-- This is such a nifty village to hang out in... That being said-- anonymous postings can occur for a number of reasons. As long as the postings aren't "flames," I don't really care if the poster is "anon" or not. There are ways to identify a poster in a reply without having a moniker to use. I don't have the time, since I log in from work, to read every thread, but the ones I've skimmed and the ones I've added fibers to haven't had any anonymous "flames" so far. The "anon" issue is not important to me, I guess. V |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Bill in Alabama Date: 30 Sep 99 - 08:28 AM Wolfgang-- Brief, incisive, and to the point! Selah! |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jeri Date: 30 Sep 99 - 09:09 AM Folks, I understand what Wolfgang's sayinging and I agree with him. I absolutely love the BS threads, but I think it's a shame for someone to come in here asking for help and have the discussion turn into a social thread instead of a music thread. A lot of these question askers don't understand the joking around, and probably don't want to. They're just here for information about their song. We're as much a social community here as we are a bunch of knowlegable folks (myself excluded) willing to share what we know with people outside this community. If people who come in to ask a question are made to feel they must be part of the social community to get any help, we'll get fewer and fewer new music questions. I don't mind people posting anonymously. Some do it to protect themselves from harassment, some do it so they can say whatever they want without having to take responsibility for their words. Most of the anons we get fall into the former category. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Cara Date: 30 Sep 99 - 09:34 AM I don't agree that people are being turned away by having inappropriate "conversations" posted to an innocent thread. The important thing is that most of the time their questions are answered, and if they are obviously new to the Forum, someone always greets and welcomes them. See how Catter's jumped to defend Christie from WI, before we realized it was a stupid joke, and Rick's thread on "fingerpickers and flames", describing the culture of rudeness that persists on other music sites. We have it good here, and while I support the effort to keep policing ourselves to maintain the integrity of the community, I don't like to see the natural character of the Forum squelched by those who are afraid that our visitors have no sense of humor. By the grace of Max annd Co., those of us (you) who spend a lot of time here are permitted to impact what this forum is. It revolves around music, as it should, but there are other elements as well, and visitors who are looking for a straight, crisp, academic Q&A space are not going to be happy here, regardless of whether each thread with a bit of impudence in it is labelled "BS" or not. That said, I hope that none of our valued members would leave without indicating why they feel the need to do so. Everyone has a voice here; it is not, as Shambles stated in his good-bye tyhread, a "cult of personality", nor should it become one. Growing pains are natural to an evolving community, and if you've been here for a while you know that compromises have been and are being made to accommodate those who want only music discussions here. Also, I don't care about Anon posters. If they flame, we should ignore them completely, as we should ignore the flamers whose names we know (althopugh we may wish we didn't!!). Enough sermonizing from me! Ciao! |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: MMario Date: 30 Sep 99 - 09:58 AM While I see wolfgang's point, may I say that on a lot of other forums and newsgroups, the new poster would be greeeted by EXACTLY the kind of responses he has posted about, PLUS "verbal" abuse...ie: "flaming". Judging by what I have seen over the last year+ the folkes here at the 'Cat are more careful then most about labeling their threads then most. And given the format, thread creep doesn't make the thread into a twisted knotted many-branched hydra that occurs under other formats. Lastly, I'd like to say that any mouse who posts here has to be congratulated. We've had oppossums post, but mice probably have an even harder time with the keyboard as they are much smaller...what? oh...never mind MMario |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Bert Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:02 AM Here's a thread to follow. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jeri Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:04 AM Cara, I don't know if people are turned away by chatting in threads. I'm not a visitor, so I can't say how it feels to them, and the ones who could say probably aren't reading this thread. We're all guessing. I don't wish to squelch anything, nor am I am I a humorless rule-making control freak. (Fairly obvious from some of the goofy stuff I've written.) I agree with you about "policing ourselves to maintain the integrity of the community," but would substitute the word "forum" for "community." I guess the only real concern I have is that the poster's questions may be ignored or forgotten in favor of joking around. I don't think anyone would say that's a good idea, but it can happen, and sometimes does. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: sophocleese Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:12 AM I lurked in the threads for a while before taking the big step and posting anything. One of the things that I enjoyed was the humour. Without it I would probably not be reading much or writing anything. I do agree that it is a pity when the original question is buried though but most frequently the question is answered if somebody can answer it. Sometimes the chatter keeps the thread showing until it is answered. Anonymous postings don't bug me, if they're rude I gnore them and if they're useful I'm glad. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jeri Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:44 AM Sophocleese, I hadn't thought of the chatter serving to refresh the thread - good point. Like saying "we still don't have your answer, but we haven't forgotten you." Cara, I sounded grumpy and I apologise. I'm presently sick as a dog. I guess the only thing I was trying to say was I wasn't talking about universal rules (I hate 'em) and I wondered what the feelings of new folks actually were. It's easy for me to say "I think it looks this way to people" when I really don't know. I do believe Mudcat is way above most places on the Internet or Usenet (newsgroups) when it comes to niceness. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Sep 99 - 11:53 AM Bert, Bert, Bert! Ya nailed it lad. The shock I got when visiting the "Famous Fingerpicker's tablature and video emporium", was probably similar to the "Small World" poster's. New People there would ask about "cutting their nails properly for playing" and be called "stupid, assinine, and other nice things 'cause the regulars had dealt with it many times before in the past. There seemed to be a real "culture of meanness" operating there, which I've seen very rarely here. The jokes about a song someone likes, though, might easily be taken the same way. A bit of restraint at times (no matter how funny the joke might seem at the time) would help. Shambles alluding to a "cult of personality" was curious to me. He was an extremely active participant in everything he found reason to criticize. I'm secure in the knowledge that what goes on here is infinitely more polite and civil than other somewhat similar sites.(I've been checking lately) Rick |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jon Freeman Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:00 PM Jeri, I am new here and chatting in threads did not turn me away. In fact I quite enjoy it but in the music threads, I believe that we must not lose sight of the fact that answering the question is by far the most important part. I had forgot about this until a few days ago but I had visited Mudcat on a suggestion from SingsIrish a while before you had made me aware of it. I don't know if I had picked on a bad day here or whether it was me having a bad day but nearly all I seemed to be finding were BS threads and that did put me off and I didn't return. Much as I enjoy the social chat, the musical discussion is far more important to me (and I would suspect just about everyone here). I have read a couple of people suggesting that one should simply ignore rude anonymous postings. Perhaps one should ingore rude postings anyway but I suppose if somebody hasn't got the guts to admit to who they are when making an insulting remark, they are certainly not worth listening to. The trouble with me is that if I received that type of flaming, I am quite likely to react back calling the poster a spineless coward but I don't think my language would be quite that polite. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Cara Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:15 PM Jeri, why the emphasis on Forum as opposed to community? Is it strictly semantic, or something else? And Rick, what are you doind hanging out at other Websites? Where's your loyalty, man? Your relationship with Mudcat must be monogamous! |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:21 PM Well put Jon. "forgive us our excesses," but when it's wretched excesses, call a spade a spade. Problem is no one agrees on what the "wretched excesses" might be. For me, they are racism, (and I DON'T mean every questionable word in old folksongs) women bashing, and anonymous nastiness. For others, they are some folks' sense of humour and not enough trad music discussions. We all react in our own ways. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jon Freeman Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:49 PM MMario, it's funny how peoples minds work diferently. I actually find the hydra type thing easier to follow as you can see straight away who is resonding to who and what they are responding to (I like the quoting used in newsgroups) and find it easier to keep track of more side issues as well as following the original thread. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: MAG (inactive) Date: 30 Sep 99 - 03:19 PM Rick, I am glad you publicly identified our Baz! Welcome back, S. MA |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Susanne (skw) Date: 30 Sep 99 - 06:34 PM I've had both experiences - I was put off by others' reactions to my postings a couple of times, and I'm sure I have been guilty of what you might call 'inappropriate spontaneous reactions' myself. So I think Wolfgang's suggestions are a good way of keeping that kind of off-putting postings to a minimum. I don't mind the fun and the tangents, though. Along with the learning, they make the Mudcat what it is. I've recently started to follow a few newsgroups, and compared with the shallowness, the flaming and the lack of charity towards each other I've encountered there, Mudcat is Paradise! So I was never tempted to leave, although I may choose to keep quiet on a lot of topics, either because I don't believe I know enough about them or because I tend to avoid (to me) pointless controversy. (I can't say I was too sad, though, to be on holiday just as the Mudcat was going through a fairly sticky phase, and I'm happy to find we've got over it, have been extremely nice to each other for a while, and that Bruce, Martin and now BAZ are all back on board.) - Susanne |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: poet Date: 30 Sep 99 - 06:43 PM I am as you all know new to the mud, and I have to admit that I found the side comments on the music guestion threads confusing. There are after all a lot of inside jokes which I did'nt and still don't understand but as long as the question is as fully answered as possible I don't think it matters, and is quite entertaining at times. Graham |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jack (Who is called Jack) Date: 30 Sep 99 - 06:48 PM I think what makes Mudcat different from other sites is that we've unconciously traded some tidyness and focus for the light touch and informality that keeps the place so freindly. Thats why I don't care about the anonymous postings or the thread creep per se.
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Barbara Date: 30 Sep 99 - 07:19 PM Uhm, best of my knowledge, gang, BAZ and the Shambles are two separate people; John and Roger respectively. Correct me if I'm wrong. Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Helen Date: 30 Sep 99 - 08:08 PM I just had an idea: to really make it clear when someone is actually attempting to answer the question and not just adding to the BS, how about marking that posting in some way, e.g. change the thread name in your posting to reflect this. We could write ANSWER in the thread title field or even as the first line of the posting. What do you think? Helen |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: katlaughing Date: 30 Sep 99 - 09:06 PM Good idea, Helen. Barbara, thanks for clearing that up. I thought so, too, but was wondering if I'd missed soemthing. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jeri Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:58 PM Cara, sorry this is so late. I just got home from work a little while ago. You could probably say the "forum" vs "community" thing is purely semantic. I know you didn't mean it this way, but maintaining the integrity of any group of people sounds like...well, somebody could take it as meaning excluding anyone who doesn't fit. I have a tendency to look for the worst possible thing that might happen, and I'm delighted when I'm proven wrong. I've got a feeling I'm developing a real wide curmudgeon streak, and I'll have to do something about it. Is it age that does it, or genes, or what? |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Oct 99 - 10:30 AM I'm listening to Max misquote me on Mudcat Radio just now. Since I'm not running for President but might accept the nomination if drafted, I would like to make myself perfectly clear and say this about that. Max said I suggested that he should redesign the 'Cat to force people to put their names on messages. I categorically deny that I said this. Or, at least I categorically deny that I said this within the last seven years. Or, maybe I deny that I said this within the period covered by an FBI investigation. What I said was that maybe Max could design the 'Cat so that the name box had to be filled in, either with a name or with a pseudonym. This would force forgetful people to put a name in the box, but still allow shy people to post anonymously, under a pseudonym. At least, that's what I think I said.... As you can see, this is an outstanding proposal, and can be funded by just a minor withdrawal from the U.S. Senate Retirement Fund. Thank you very much, My Fellow Mudcatters, and may God Bless the 'Cat. -Joe Offer- (Do I really get $400,000 a year if I'm elected?) |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Rick Fielding Date: 02 Oct 99 - 11:31 PM I'd vote for you in a heartbeat Joe. As President, I'd expect you to keep your promise of "more music - no B.S" Rick |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: _gargoyle Date: 03 Oct 99 - 02:29 PM No doubt....there are probably several dozen "other poster-posers" on the Cat who, like me, have a half dozen different "handles" and have "cookies" registered in multiple names. Unless the "posers" are using different USP's for each "persona" it is possible to determine each combination by doing a simple search of the server's log files. (AOL accounts and other VERY large providers offer some annonymity) One delusion of the naive neophyte when first encountering the cyber-world-of-chat (what MC has become) is that: this is "REAL...." it is NOT!!!! The next message is compliled from "FAQs at Slashdot.org" they encountered similar "growing pains." Visit them for a nice cynical view of technology. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: _gargoyle Date: 03 Oct 99 - 02:41 PM Slashdot FAQ (EDITED by _gargoyle) In the beginning Slashdot was small. We got dozens of posts each day, and it was good. The signal was high, the noise was low. Moderation was unnecessary because we were nobody. It was a different world then. Each day we grew, adding more and more users, and increasing the number of comments submitted. As this happened, many users discovered new and annoying ways to abuse the system. The authors had but one option: Delete annoying comments. But as the system grew, we knew that we would never be able to keep up. We were outnumbered.
There are a thousand ways we could try to stop the lame crap that people seem to want to post on Slashdot. Meept, First Post, and some of the more obvious troll bait is just part of the crap that we get to deal with. If you are posting this stuff, just stop, it's a waste of everyone's time. As for solutions, we've talked about many. Among the best are
Comment posts are getting crappy, what are you doing about it?
IP Restrictions: No single IP can post more than X comments per story. While this has problems, it would help prevent the occasional moron who likes to come in and post a dozen comments in a row on an article that really don't say anything. This could take a variety of shapes: No single IP being allowed to post more than 10% of all comments in a subject? A hard limit of 10 comments per IP per story? 5 minute delay between posts from any IP? Each method has ups and downs, but would probably solve the problem. The problem is that it would cause other problems so I'm not really planning on implementing this yet, but if I do, it will be fairly lenient. BTW - they use a "Karma System" that, like a game, awards points for the intrinsic "value" of a post....AKA - the Wyoming Girl and the Laughing Cat would probably score in the realm of "negative Karma" for straying from the topic of the thread...the "creature on the church steeple" would be neutral - since the postings are split both ways, and the "disabled guy with old recordings" would be positive since he is always on topic and has started several good threads.
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 99 - 03:18 PM Gargoyle, stop it. Nobody enjoys your vile personal attacks. Anybody who posts the kind of visciousness that you do has a lot to learn about karma. While some of the above points may have some validity, a careful reading of threads from the distant past to the present show that there have always been those who would prefer a strict music site and those who prefer both music and BS. Max, who after all the Mudcat belongs to, has said several times that he prefers both. Too bad you can't respect that. I know your abhorence of me will not allow you to objectively read back through my postings. Those who are openminded enough to do so, will see I've posted plenty on music. My first posting was about music. If you had the guts to stick around and participate in the discussions and share your knowledge,without the personal attacks, maybe you wouldn't get so insanely jealous of the camraderie most of us share. I really feel sorry for you. You don't know what you're missing. Leave me alone and stop the stupidity. katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 99 - 04:28 PM GG, I get the impression that you're frustrated because you don't get to make the rules around here. But it's not just about that, is it? Your posts are not neutral. You've attacked Katlaughing far more times than you've posted anything on music in recent history. If you hate BS so much, why do you keep posting it? Others BS just as much as she does, but you singled her out. Why? It's obvious to anyone who can read that you're insincere, but you're still using the anti-BS argument as an excuse to play the outsider. Why? If there's a reason for your continuing attacks other than mental illness, I can't see it. It looks like stalking to me. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: GUEST,being lazy Date: 13 Feb 02 - 10:33 AM I personally apply the same self regulation when I am a guest or as Mr Red, however I sort of expect to get the humorous, the misunderstood, the brainless and gormlous answers to my threads amongst the nuggets. So I am not disappointed, and offended less. Take heart Baz, the reason you like the Mudcat is probably because there are less idiots visiting. life is full of jerks, here is a shelter of sorts As my first real girlfriend used to say - you want to "take a bit of no never". |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Dave Bryant Date: 14 Feb 02 - 05:31 AM Anonymouse - that name would fit the GUEST we've been having problems with on the Stony Stratford threads. He makes very rude remarks about some of the more amply-provided ladies and rather suggestive remarks about the slimmer ones. When one of the larger ladies suggested that she and some similiar sized friends would sing him "16 stones and what do you get - a whole lotta woman and that's a fact" he confided that he was "Just a mouse with a small penis". Thanks from now on he will be the Anonymouse GUEST. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: Diva Date: 14 Feb 02 - 07:06 AM And what I should have added was I'd ask the wee girls to join in as well especially with the kazoos. ***BG*** The well upholstered Diva |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: artbrooks Date: 14 Feb 02 - 08:45 AM This is a 2 1/2 year old thread resurrected by ANON.GUEST. Let it die again. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: GUEST Date: 14 Feb 02 - 09:04 AM Yes, let this one die, and go contribute instead to the flame bait/troll thread started by Mudcat member InOBU/Larry on "Anonymous Guests and Libel" (of course, his spelling is a bit different than mine). It will do your hearts good to go yet another round this week flaming anonymous guests. Be sure to add lots of perjoratives, swear words, and other invectives to show your mastery of logic and level of intelligence too, while you are at it. It will really improve things here at Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Anonymouse Posting From: GUEST,guest Date: 14 Feb 02 - 01:49 PM Guest would like Max to moderate. Max would like members to moderate. |
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