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Now here's how harmonies should be...

GUEST,loki 23 Oct 11 - 07:34 AM
GUEST,BobL 23 Oct 11 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,Captain Swing 23 Oct 11 - 06:55 PM
michaelr 23 Oct 11 - 08:00 PM
YorkshireYankee 23 Oct 11 - 09:43 PM
Janie 23 Oct 11 - 10:07 PM
Janie 23 Oct 11 - 10:09 PM
ChanteyLass 23 Oct 11 - 11:08 PM
open mike 23 Oct 11 - 11:35 PM
bradfordian 24 Oct 11 - 04:14 AM
GUEST 24 Oct 11 - 05:43 AM
GUEST,blogward 24 Oct 11 - 06:40 AM
Commander Crabbe 24 Oct 11 - 07:22 PM
Dave Hanson 25 Oct 11 - 03:24 AM
Banjiman 25 Oct 11 - 03:59 AM
Leadfingers 25 Oct 11 - 04:31 AM
Ron Davies 25 Oct 11 - 07:21 AM
Ron Davies 25 Oct 11 - 07:28 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 25 Oct 11 - 07:50 AM
Mitch the Bass 25 Oct 11 - 07:58 AM
Banjiman 25 Oct 11 - 08:01 AM
Ron Davies 26 Oct 11 - 12:29 AM
Bev and Jerry 26 Oct 11 - 01:38 AM
Mitch the Bass 26 Oct 11 - 04:25 AM
Ron Davies 26 Oct 11 - 08:57 AM
Bev and Jerry 26 Oct 11 - 12:35 PM
The Sandman 26 Oct 11 - 01:26 PM
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Subject: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST,loki
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:34 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_VUIvnMgU


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST,BobL
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 03:42 PM

Whatever turns you on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Gx27jRbYo does it for me.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 06:55 PM

I think both are superb.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 08:00 PM

The Civil Wars are very effective at what they do... sort of the Steven Spielbergs of music: milking the tear ducts. See this.

"I don't love you and I always will"... an anthem for the confused. One can't deny the emotional impact -- sort of a "Total Eclipse of the Heart" for the 21st century. It will raise goosebumps the first three times you hear it.

Whereas Joey still brings tears the umptyseventh time - even though it's not my generation at all. Your mileage may vary.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 09:43 PM

All good stuff...

Here's my nomination:Cloudstreet singing "The Briar and the Rose"

The harmonies they create just vibrate in a way I adore!


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Janie
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 10:07 PM

clicky for loki's link


clicky to BobL's link


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Janie
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 10:09 PM

Good harmony gives me shivers.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 11:08 PM

Not well-known, not a slick video production, but I'm rather fond of this group. They are on my mind because I saw them (minus the keyboard player) Saturday night, and they did this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNHGyJbYFY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLDBE3C248EA818CC0


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: open mike
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 11:35 PM

what means "the civil wars" ?
is this the name of the duo ?


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: bradfordian
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 04:14 AM

Coope Boys & Simpson have it pretty much sewn up in the harmony stakes. Excellant harmonies.
We have a group in Nottingham, UK called Notts Alliance are pretty fair.
Then there was the Voice Squad -- now disbanded but still some very nice harmonies if you come across any old recordings.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 05:43 AM

Open Mike - yes


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST,blogward
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 06:40 AM

Good harmonies, ok. Good singing - not.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:22 PM

Niamh Parsons and Fran McPhail singing The Briar and The Rose

The Briar And The Rose

CC


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 03:24 AM

Too much unwarranted ' echo ' if you need that to enhance the voices that much then it's relly not worth the bother, now, Coope, Boyes and Simpson, just three unadulterated voices, that's good harmony singing.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Banjiman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 03:59 AM

No, here's how harmonies should be!

Hissyfit - Wild Goose


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:31 AM

As with ALL music , its Subjective - we all have different tastes and preferences . Artisan are ell worth a listen for three part harmony singing too ! Website


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:21 AM

Notice how the strongest of these songs (in my view Joey is the only weak one) rely heavily on just the human voice.   If you can really sing you need no instrumental backup.   And as others have remarked, good tight vocal harmonies can't be beat--one of the best experiences of life--to hear and especially to be part of.    I'd add to these on this thread certain performances of Allegri's Miserere and the Brahms Marienlieder--just for starters, in the chorus category, as opposed to duets or other very small groups.    But good a cappella music has unending satisfactions whether duet, trio, quartet, etc--or 20 in the group, 40 in the group, 180 in the group. etc.

Those of us who can really sing are so incredibly lucky.   After all it was in most cases just the genetic lottery. And if you win the genetic lottery, you'd best not take voice lessons and put vibrato in. All you need is natural vibrato.

Another example of just dynamite close harmony---there's nothing like a wonderful duet--was experienced this year by those of us who went to the Getaway.   A duo from New England--can't remember their names.   And they are young--so the tradition is in good hands.

Some of their material was from Beggar's Velvet--a group which sets a very high standard.

At any rate, this should certainly answer the question once and for all of why we sing unaccompanied.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:28 AM

And yes, the New England duo (sometimes augmented by a third) was able to do more than justice to the Beggar's Velvet material, though a duo is of course not 4 people.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:50 AM

My ideal of perfect vocal harmony & musical context. Great food, great booze, great company, great songs and great singing. This stuff makes me weep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Y_tuSsCXw


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Mitch the Bass
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:58 AM

Coope, Boyes and Simpson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CghzuhZOGAI

or on a lighter note...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7StF1SzDi70

nuff said.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Banjiman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:01 AM

That's great Suibhne. Beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:29 AM

"how harmonies should be"?

De gustibus....

However, in the Albanian-Greek clip the strongest part was by far the drone in all segments in which there was a drone (and that was most.).   Actual harmonies were scarce--unless it was a a problem with recording of the event.

I'm sure it was a great occasion for anybody actually particpating.   But it reminded me strongly of Sacred Harp in that it is far more a particpant's than a listener's music.

it was interesting in that you could see some of the sources for the Bulgarian women's groups of a while ago which swept the West (and I thought the groups were wonderful.)

And of course some people really like field recordings and can listen to them happily for quite a while, and others prefer other types of music.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 01:38 AM

While we are not the world's foremost experts on harmony singing, we have been studying the subject for nearly fifty years and we have learned a thing or two about what makes it "good".

First, phrasing. It's important for all singers to start and stop words at precisely the same time and breath together. This can be accomplished by three things: practice, practice and practice. All of the groups cited above do this superbly.

Second, intonation and temperament. To get the kind of harmony singing that sends chills up and down your spine, the harmonics of the tones each singer is singing need to blend perfectly. Once again, all of the cited groups are excellent in this respect.

Third, arrangement. For any given melody there is no "the harmony". It is possible to harmonize a melody in many different ways. At one harmony workshop we presented we sang a seven verse song singing the first verse in unison and using six different harmonies on the other verses. In our opinion, good harmony singing uses interesting and unusual arrangements. No one should be able to predict what your arrangement will sound like.

Fourth, "tight harmony". If you want to sing "tight harmony" all singers must have nearly the same range and accent with "tight harmony" being defined as singing in which it is difficult or impossible to identify who is singing what part. That is why the really good and tight harmonies have been done by siblings such as the Blue Sky Boys, The Louvin Brothers and the Everly Brothers. Among the groups cited above, The Civil Wars and Cloudstreet have very tight harmonies. If you don't believe accent is important, try to imagine a duet consisting of one person from Brooklyn and the other from Mississippi! It is possible to sing "good harmony" without singing "tight harmony".

We're sure the above will generate a lot of discussion but that's what we've learned.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Mitch the Bass
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 04:25 AM

How about getting the song itself to tell you about the harmony..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bJqYMvayMc


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 08:57 AM

Excellent, Mitch.   Very creative.


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:35 PM

Mitch:

That is an excellent example of what we meant when we said, "good harmony singing uses interesting and unusual arrangements."

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 01:26 PM

personally i prefer the watersons with mike waterson, or the wilson family, there is something unique about family interaction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SzfZh_Jwdk&feature=related
Bob and Ron copper had it too


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Subject: RE: Now here's how harmonies should be...
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 01:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SzfZh_Jwdk&feature=related


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