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Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)

GUEST,Jackie 24 Oct 11 - 07:17 PM
Dave MacKenzie 24 Oct 11 - 07:33 PM
GUEST 24 Oct 11 - 07:50 PM
Leadfingers 24 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM
GUEST,Brad 24 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM
GUEST,Jackie 24 Oct 11 - 08:09 PM
GUEST,Brad 24 Oct 11 - 08:14 PM
GUEST,Jackie 24 Oct 11 - 11:15 PM
GUEST,Johnmc 25 Oct 11 - 09:06 AM
The Sandman 25 Oct 11 - 04:50 PM
The Sandman 25 Oct 11 - 04:52 PM
GUEST,paul 25 Oct 11 - 05:54 PM
GUEST,Jackie 25 Oct 11 - 06:51 PM
GUEST,Johnmc 26 Oct 11 - 05:41 AM
GUEST,paul 26 Oct 11 - 05:42 PM
GUEST,paul 26 Oct 11 - 05:49 PM
GUEST,johnmc 27 Oct 11 - 12:24 PM
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Subject: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Jackie
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:17 PM

For example:

'When do (will) I get to be called a man' is otherwise a straight-forward blues progression in E. However, there's a chord Broonzy uses fairly often in his playing that comes after the B7 here.

Skip to 1:04 to hear it exactly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBKhqvam8Yg

My question is:
A) What's the name of the chord?
B) How is it formed on the guitar?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:33 PM

Without checking, I think it's a C7 formed by sliding the B7 one fret up the neck.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:50 PM

Thanks for your reply Dave.

Still, the form is elusive to me. Here's what I paired it down to, in order.

Any of these correct?:

A)
E-4-
B-0-
G-4-
D-3-
A-4-
E-x-

B)
E-0-
B-0-
G-4-
D-3-
A-4-
E-x-

C)
E-0-
B-0-
G-4-
D-x-
A-4-
E-x-

D)
E-4-
B-0-
G-4-
D-x-
A-4-
E-x-


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM

Clicky

You COULD get away with F#7 into C#7 in places


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM

I don't think it's a straight C7 like choice 'A' would suggest.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Jackie
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:09 PM

Thanks for the reply Leadfingers, and usually I will substitute, introduce variations, etc. Trouble is, I like THAT chord voicing.

Brad, I agree. To me, 'C' seems the closest. Is that a C7 chord still?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 08:14 PM

No idea. The f note on the d-string just sounds off in choices a and b.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Jackie
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:15 PM

Can I trust anyone's ear to confirm this chord?

E-0-
B-0-
G-4-
D-x-
A-4-
E-x-

Again, to listen skip to 1:04:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBKhqvam8Yg


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:06 AM

I think it's B7 slid up one fret but with the second finger on str 6, dampening the fifth and omitting str 1; this is a diminished chord (G dim). Don't think it's slid two frets.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:50 PM

guest johnnie the notes you describe are g e bflat b, g diminshed is g bflat and d flat.
there is a chord shape often used in blues, which is the b7 shape up one fret, this is c major seventh c e g b, is this the chord u mean, it is often used between c#7 an b7, so third fret b 7 shape second fret b7 shape, first fret b7.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:52 PM

From: Dave MacKenzie - PM
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 07:33 PM

Without checking, I think it's a C7 formed by sliding the B7 one fret up the neck. that makes it c major 7 a jazz chord not to be confused with c 7 which is cegb flat ,cmajor 7 is ceg b natural


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,paul
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 05:54 PM

hey guys, I found footage of Broonzy on a front porch, sliding to the same chord.

video starts at the B7, or V chord. pay attention to the next chord.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pShRISHnQ#t=2m22s

thanks jackie for the inquiry. does this footage make it clearer for anyone to tell?

-paul


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Jackie
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:51 PM

Thanks Paul for the video. It looks still to me like the chord is formed as such:

E-0-
B-0-
G-4-
D-x-
A-4-
E-x-

A B7 chord slid up two frets, muting the Low E and F-note on the A-string.

Per Pauls doing, I encourage newcomers (and oldcomers) to visit the link he posted to see for yourself how Bill Broonzy formed it.

Then if you have a comment, let it fly. I'm still open to suggestions (mostly on how Bill forms the chord (i.e. playing it rightly), then how to name the chord in question).

Again, Pauls link re-posted for ease:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pShRISHnQ#t=2m22s


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:41 AM

Forgot to say that after sliding up you need to either omit str 2 or flatten the note D to Db with finger 1, as Good Soldier says.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,paul
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:42 PM

From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:06 AM
"I think it's B7 slid up one fret but with the second finger on str 6, dampening the fifth and omitting str 1; this is a diminished chord (G dim). Don't think it's slid two frets."
"Forgot to say that after sliding up you need to either omit str 2 or flatten the note D to Db with finger 1, as Good Soldier says."


I've tried this, but it doesn't sound right, but it could be that I'm not understanding it exactly.

Is this how you suggesting to form the G dim?
E-x-
B-x-
G-3-
D-2-
A-x-
E-3- <----second finger here

...moved up one fret from this B7 voicing:
E-2-
B-0-
G-2-
D-1-
A-2-
E-x-


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,paul
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:49 PM

Here is an even CLEARER look at the chord by Woody Mann, a Big Bill Broonzy ''teacher''.

Anyway, it's linked to start automatically start at the right time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZidi8tmLc#t=0m35s

Comments?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Big Bill Broonzy (Single Chord Req.)
From: GUEST,johnmc
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 12:24 PM

Yes, Paul, except you lay the first finger across the fretboard to play the second string at the second fret (Db) as well. This is a common diminished "passing chord", but whether it's the Broonzy one,
not able to say for sure.


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