BS: Thatcher expenses

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM

A song to stir the hearts of all true dog lovers and Englishmen everywhere.

LOL Al thanks, this has definitely made my early evening!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:06 PM

The songs were written anyway. Someone discovered you could line dance to them. And they put them on an album complete with instructions as to which dance to do to them..

I did write one song called Buster the Line dancing Dog, and a choreographer wrote a special dance to it called Busters Bone Search. I was never privileged to see it, but isn't that always the way with folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:55 PM

I'm trying to imagine you line dancing and it's hurting my head LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:45 PM

One of my few claims to fame.

My line dance cd was in the remaindered bin in The Word store, alongside Gerry Adams memoirs - Before the Dawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

Blair's A Journey sold 92,060 copies in its first four days on sale last week, according to Nielsen BookScan, (that was before turning up in in the pound shops).

At the time The Bookseller estimated that Margaret Thatcher's memoirs The Downing Street Years sold 120,000 copies in its first week on sale, (that was before turning up in in the pound shops).

- Source


then there are these:

Best selling Political Memoirs (selected) 1998 - 21st August 2010
(sales prior to turning up in in the pound shops)

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:07 PM

In the same way as why their memoirs sell by the bucket load

Actually they always seem to turn up in the pound shops...And they don't sell there either.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Musket
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:23 PM

You may well ask.

Personally, I'm not quite so uncomfortable with it. In the same way as why their memoirs sell by the bucket load, once you don't have the pressures of the party line and keeping people happy who you would rather drop dead, your view can become interesting.

Look at how USA wheel out ex Presidents to defuse tensions around the world, or although we can laugh (sometimes in a hollow manner) at Bliar's exploits, the principle of an ex Prime Minister as an envoy for UN is a good one, just the wrong bugger doing it, but I digress.

If an old guitar is superseded by a new one, it is always a good idea to buy it new strings and a bit of polish from time to time and give it the odd airing, it can often pleasantly surprise you.

Same with ex legislators. They are pilloried, often rightly, for decisions which, let's face it, are always compromise decisions to please those they rely on. I am far more interested in their views when they have nobody to look out for, and whilst not supporting The Lords in some ways, I actually like the idea of learned people scrutinising legislation and quality assuring it before it gets the final vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 03:14 PM

And why 100 grand a year!

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 02:48 PM

People doing a job for which they are employed can indeed claim expenses from their employers, and people carrying out voluntary work can in some cases be paid expenses by the organisation for whom they are doing the work, and people paying expenses for voluntary work out of their own pockets might in some cases be entitled to set this against income tax. All of that applies to "politicians" as much as to anyone else.

The question is, why people who were formerly employes by the state should be entitled to be paid expenses by the state for things they do after they have ceased to be employees.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 01:11 PM

by the way most politicians can claim expenses as do departments, so Thatcher is not alone in that. This though, is my favourite one


Employees at the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) spent £247.75 at Dominos pizza, £172.70 at The Cake Store and £54.30 on Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

sounds almost like a union meeting expense dunnit? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 01:04 PM

nice convenient reply, but it will have to do. And much as I love the verbal jousting LOL (there I knew I couldn't say that with a straight face) I have to work..some of us have to, unfortunately. I don't have a union (thank god!) to tell me what to do, when to do it, and how to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:59 PM

Yep, we are all full of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:56 PM

Oh I am full of shit...I admit it....you can't get out of it...so are you

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

"same as you Silas, I'm full of shit, except mine isn't socialist, that's the only difference and that makes a world of difference."


and

"BUT...but....there is that one, the important word, that makes you the same....shit"

Now now, you can't have it both ways. Lets have just a little consistency eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:50 PM

BUT...but....there is that one, the important word, that makes you the same....shit,

so.....me...?I support neither side of the political coin, years ago I realised you're all the same, left, right, all arguing for the right to claim the moral high ground, and those who suffered because your constant bickering, fighting, name calling? Why those whom you professed to care about, the populous at large, you accused Thatcher of destroying parts of Britain...I think NUM were already on that road, but it wouldn't been just parts of Britain would it? It would have been the whole of Britain...Where's St Arthur of Scargill now? Oh yes the head of the Socialist Labour Party and is of the opinion that and I quote, "the ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin explain the "real world" " dear dear....

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:40 PM

So, let me get this right. You are full of non-socialist shit, can I assume that the hatchet face bitch is also full of non-socialist shit? And that socialist shit is different to non-socialist shit, and the difference is not just different, it is a world of difference. Concluding then, as I am full of socialist shit and the hatchet faced bitch is full of non-socialist shit, we can hardly be exactly the same, as you said in your previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:11 PM

same as you Silas, I'm full of shit, except mine isn't socialist, that's the only difference and that makes a world of difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:46 AM

Well BTNG, either you have a remarkable power that allows you to analise a persons charachter from a few lines posted on a website (and still get it completely wrong) or you are just full of shit.

Tell us do, which is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:40 AM

...gratuitously insulted me without any provocation on a thread some months back

Someone trod on my toe a few years ago. Someday I'll catch up with him...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:36 AM

But yes I think....you and her...exactly the same, so spare me your hypocrisy

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:24 AM

Nice try matey, but no.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:23 AM

See, Silas, you and Mrs Thatcher have that in common, neither did she, unless it was advantageous to her, I very much suspect you are exactly the same way, so you see, you and her...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:09 AM

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 10:39 AM

"I'll be glad when she eventually drops off the twig to be honest.'

I'm sure she would feel the same about you, if you were worth noticing

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:57 AM

Well, I agree that some words can be powerful when used in certain contexts, however, my point was that my calling the hatchet faced bitch a hatchet faced bitch pales to insignificance when compared to the wasteland that she made out of parts of this country and the abject misery and suffering that she caused to many good people.
I'll be glad when she eventually drops off the twig to be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:53 AM

The concept of 'only words' is a dangerous one, Silas. 'Mein Kampf' was only words; 'The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion' was only words; 'Why don't you fuck off back where you came from, you stinking wog' is only words; 'Silas is making a prick of himself' is only words...

You are not a fool, Silas (are you?).

So don't come on so disingenuous...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:33 AM

It appears that my (borrowed) comment about the hatchet faced bitch has caused some offence. I find this a difficult concept. Thay are, after all, only words. The hatchet faced bitches deeds caused untold misery to millions of people. So lets have a sense of proportion here. My expression 'hatchet faced bitch' is quite the mildest terminology I could use in describing the smug cow.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:03 AM

... and all would be to an extent obviated if only I had any idea, from him or from anyone else, what occasioned his offensive tirade in the first place ~~ a matter which appears destined forever to remain a profound secret between him & his troubled psyche.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:00 AM

Note your opinion Al. Would, indeed, much prefer

"not to continue with it"

as I haven't with one or two other ongoing disputes with Don & Jim, where an accommodation was sought & found by both sides.

Have you read what I m responding to? It is insufferable; and I see no reason why I should be expected to suffer it. All I have asked for throughout is an apology. Any sign of one ~ no. Nothing more than "I'm glad I've pissed you off".

Will there be one? Only in your dreams, I suspect.

So should I go on putting up with being pissed off? Why? Would you?

When the apology comes, all will be different. meanwhile, that piggy & its produce continue to fly past my window...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 07:38 AM

Mike I have measureless respect for you as a singer, and a writer and all the things you have achieved. But when the exchange gets down to calling the other party pigshit - well - its better not to continue with it.

Some people are wind up merchants. I know you've gigged outside the folkscene - so you'll know all about that. One night a guy sat down next to my father in law in a bar where I was playing. Ohgreat! he says, I didn't know there was someone playing. I can take the piss out of him.......

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 07:04 AM

Calm down, mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:21 AM

Lox, Al. Have said so a dozen times. He gratuitously insulted me without any provocation on a thread some months back, explicitly wrote
"I'm glad I've pissed you off", 2 Feb, and has refused to apologise ever since. Maybe he will, some day ~~ oh look, pretty piggy flying past window ~ maybe it is the one that shat him.

I say again ~~ he is to be congratulated: set out to be offensive ~~ and succeeded in ♠♠. Why should I overlook it, or forget it, or whatever. If I did then he would have failed, wouldnt he?

You'll find it all on BS:Muslim Prejudice, 27 Jan 11 0437 am - 11 Feb 11 1131 pm.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:07 AM

nevertheless intriguing. who is MGM speaking of?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:36 AM

McGrath:

"Who can be wise, amazed, temperate and furious,
Loyal and neutral, in a moment?" (Macbeth 2.3.116)

.,,.

One shouldn't quote the Scottish Play, they say; but Mudcat isn't a dressing-room, for all the dirty linen on show sometimes...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:10 AM

From those last few posts you appear to be in two minds about this, MtheGM. Or possibly more.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:43 PM

GtD ~ I have said nothing whatever about inflammatory language on political comments. What Kevin & I are discussing is the offensive language about colostomy bags & body smells that the objectionable little individual who hides behind the name of Lox used to me, with no provocation, on another thread 10 months ago. Why should I forget it or let the matter drop? He has never apologised or moderated his deliberate insults in any way. I say again: he is to be congratulated - he tried to provoke and niggle me [he actually said "I'm glad I pissed you off", ~ 02 feb 11] ~ & he succeeded. So congratulations! & I shall reserve the right to remind him & any who care to listen from time to time what a dribbling drivelling little heap of piggiturd he is ~ which is the language that for some reason has upset poor McGrath.

"Political comments" just do not figure. They are of no interest to me at all. Telling Lox that he is a stench in the nostrils of Decency, otoh, is.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 03:11 PM

I would like Zero Tolerance on crooked politicians of all and any political colour.
But Michael, if you are serious about unpleasant and inflammatory language on political comments, perhaps you should look at the right wingers, who use nothing but.
e.g. BS: Wasters at St Paul's to be kicked out

Quack!
GtD

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:13 AM

Probably right, Kevin. As I remarked above ~~ nobody's perfect...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:08 AM

I believe we should apply zero tolerance to ourselves in such matters, MtheGM. Otherwise we have no justification for complaining when others do not.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Musket
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:34 AM

Methinks there is a typo here.

Th*tcher expenses should read Th*tcher expensive.

She cost the country its soul.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 04:30 AM

I must congratulate him, mind you ~ he deserves congratulations. He quite deliberately set out to niggle & rile me with unprovoked & intolerable insults ·····

and

                CONGRATULATIONS, Piggiturds

he succeeded.

Which is why my injunctions to courtesy do not apply in his instance...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:40 PM

Sorry ~ I meant ShitBAG-Shouter, of course. I make no apology to him, and shall continue to denounce him as such at every opportunity on the forum that offers ~~ so thank you for furnishing me with one.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:37 PM

That question was answered in the post immediately preceding yours, Kevin. I make that one exception because stinking Mr Shithouse-Shouter, aka Colostolox, began it all on the Muslim Prejudice thread, and even I have my limits as to what I can be expected put to up with from that nasty little heap of piggiturd.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:34 PM

I still don't see why the likes of some can't keep civil tongues in their heads...

I quite agree with that. But could it be that someone else has been posting in your name, MtheGM,?

eg ...you drivelling heap of piggiturd...He is a piece of dehumanised toxic filth

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:27 PM

Shimrod ~~ I happen to think we are all worthy of the respect of reasonable courtesy; you appear indeed to take something of the same view.

I am aware also that there is one ob·lox·ious person on this forum to whom I decline, under extreme provocation, to pretend even to be courteous. But nobody's perfect ~~ as my father used to say, don't do as I do...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:33 PM

"But I don't think Lady Thatcher would ever have referred to Silas, e.g., had she had occasion to do so, in terms analogous to those he sees fit to use of her."

I tend to agree that the use of invective and abuse in political debates is not helpful and does nothing to advance such debates. But don't forget that Mrs Thatcher was once a powerful force in this land and some of us think that she instituted policies which were not in the best interests of the majority of people in this country. I strongly suspect that many of those policies are contributing to the economic mess that we find ourselves in today. Her fervent espousal of the unregulated, free market is looking more and more like the dangerous nonsense that many of us thought it to be during her premiership. Showering her with abuse serves no purpose - but I certainly don't think that she's worthy of any sort of respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:32 PM

Then there is the matter of the state funeral for this dreadful woman, when she passes on, the bill footed, of course, by the British tax-payer

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:19 PM

I tried to post yesterday evening, but Mudcat seemed to go inactive for a while.
The comment I was intending to make was that if Thatcher is genuinely suffering from dementia, she is presumably not capable of making these expenses claims.
I find the thought that some other lying bastard is actually claiming this obscene amount of cash.

Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 11:57 AM

I tell you again, Greg: I take no specific stand on that issue. But I don't think Lady Thatcher would ever have referred to Silas, e.g., had she had occasion to do so, in terms analogous to those he sees fit to use of her. How does it advance anyone's argument to assume that all right-thinking people must so necessarily be on their side that it is OK to use terms like 'hatchet-faced bitch' of anyone whom the Consensus, in all its self-righteous certainty of moral virtue and correctness of opinion, happens to disapprove of.

Hatchet-faced whatever-the-male-equivt-of-bitch-might-be right back to you, Silas ~ & I hope it keeps fine for you.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 11:45 AM

lefties ...all so driven by such loving motives towards all humanity

Like Maggie was/is, you mean? It is to laugh. Or cry.