Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:43 AM

Wasn't it reported prior to burial that Saville's coffin
was to be encased in a deep layer of concrete to deter grave robbers ?

So now that's not the only reason he might fear being disturbed.

It may not be so easy to dig the vile old monster up.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:29 AM

No, it's Tainted Stone.
This man was Evil...truly Evil.

And as for all those who kept silent, they were Complicit in what he was doing..

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:11 AM

Lizzie, I don't think Penny meant to put their names on it. It isn't the stone's fault it was used on his behalf. If it's a good piece of stone, reuse it and be glad it is put to better use.

SRS

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:03 AM

Penny, WHY would you think those who have been abused by this man would want their name on a piece of stone that once adorned his grave?

Smash it to smithereens and get rid of every fragment of it, and him...

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:37 AM

A little picture gallery of his friends.

Jimmy Savile and Tony Blair

Jimmy Savile and Princess Diana

Jimmy Savile and Pope John Paul II

Jimmy Savile and Margaret Thatcher

another one with Thatcher

Jimmy Savile with William Hague

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:27 AM

Leveller, I knew I had read something about him before TV, but I had read so much I couldn't remember where.

And CS, well done that student. There must have been other cases, though.

And so a major cover-up. And the BBC deeply implicated.

I hate the idea of that good rock going into landfill - torn out of a quarry, inscribed and then because of the inscription shoved back in the ground. What a waste.

Grind the surface off. Inscribe it as a memorial for injured women.

Penny

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:54 AM

The story has now reached the US radio waves.

The link is to National Public Radio and you can read or listen to the story.

SRS

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 08:10 AM

For those who asserted that the women coming forward must all be gold-digging liars. It has been clarified in the press (no link to hand) that none of the complainants have sought or received any monies for their stories

However. I heard an interview in the last couple of days from a particularly creepy representative of the counselling industry. Who clearly saw Savile and his pals as job creation for her business - obviously EVERYBODY affected had to have months of counselling to open their personal can of worms and have it dealt with by an approved (and appropriately paid) professional.

The victims aren't gold-diggers but others are.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 07:25 AM

Don, every criminal has relatives.
It is no reason to keep quiet about their crimes.

How about some concern for the victims, instead of just for the perpetrators' relations?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 06:25 AM

And...how many helpless women did he abuse repeatedly, I wonder?!! How many are there in the homes he visited, or worked at, who are still unable to this day, to explain to anyone, to talk, to communicate in any way at all about what happened to them.

Can you imagine their fear and horror when he would show up in their room? Imagine being helpless, not understanding the world, but knowing this man was going to hurt you, again and again and AGAIN!!

Get him OUT of that cemetery and make him 'disappear' in every way for he does not deserve the Earth to be his Protector! Let The Sanctity return to that cemetery, not in just removing his headstone but in removing HIM.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 06:19 AM

The BBC know LOTS of things, but turn away....

I use what is below not for sympathy at all, merely to highlight what the BBC do.

They turned away from the vicious bullying, the constant and appalling breaking of their own House Rules that took place on their F&A board. They totally ignored my requests for an investigation into the people who were doing this. Eventually they issued a statement that no-one was allowed to mention my name, and no-one at all in the BBC was allowed to discuss the case.

This happened after I'd spoken to the head of their Customer Care department, who, on taking the trouble to read many of the threads concerned, had been incredibly sympathetic to me, and angry on my behalf, and on behalf of others too who had also been treated so badly. She told me to leave it with her for 2 weeks whilst she looked into it further. She was kind, sweet and incredibly helpful.

Two weeks later I rang back and spoke to her, to hear her say she was *desperately* sorry but she could no longer discuss *anything* to do with this case. "They got to you?" I said...She again apologised and and told me that she could not mention or discuss anything, and that the order had come from 'higher up'..."Lizzie, I am *so* sorry!" she said....

The BBC don't give a fuck.   

They truly think they are above everyone and worst of all, they protect their own. In my case they protected Smooth Ops and those who ran it and worked for it, who knew, firsthand what was happening, and actively encouraged what was going on too.

Saville was a nasty piece of work. He was more than likely born that way and stayed that way to his dying day. How *anyone* could think he was normal and Mr. Nice Guy, I've no idea...I could sense he was weird when I was very young, so why others couldn't I've no idea...

He may well have had 'information' on those within the BBC, which also helped him to keep their silence, who knows...

He was the worst kind of man too, abusing helpless people. The kind of people he told the public he was helping, making himself out to be a saint...

They shouldn't just remove his headstone, they should dig him up and then cremate him or throw his coffin far out into the ocean, for his very presence, even just his mortal remains, are an insult to anyone buried in that cemetery, and to those who go there to visit their loved ones.

Remove him from there and plant a most beautiful tree for all the women whose lives he fecked up.

And by the way, to the men who 'don't understand why these women didn't come forward earlier', thus inferring that somehow they're all lying, it took nearly 60 years for my mother to tell me she'd been sexually abused by her uncle, tom...(no capital letters for him) And she ONLY told me because she'd turned on the TV one morning to hear a chat show discussing sexual abuse of young women. One woman had also been abused in the way my mother had and out she came with it, out of the blue.."uncle tom did that to me".....

She barely said much more, other than telling me it happened when her parents (who lived down the road from him) left her with tom and his wife, Elfrida, now and then.....

Much of my mother 'fell into place' in an instant...Her fear of closed doors, locked rooms, her exasperation with her mother to continue to care for tom after his wife died, her refusal to help him in any way, anger rising in an instant at the mention of his name..Her over-protectiveness of me, her desire to keep me as 'young' as possible for as long as possible...keeping me close to her at all times, not letting me join things, as other children did, Brownies, Ballet etc....all were forbidden to me with no explanation...

Oh yes, these BASTARDS do such terrible damage! It's not just 'a quick grope' and 'What's the matter, love, get over it!"...It's not just exposing themselves and them assuming it doesn't matter, as it's *natural* (??) It's about Sociopathic Men who KNOW what they are doing is SO wrong, but they don't give a shit!

They do it and then they simply carry on with their lives, no thought for their victims, no thought of ever stopping, just taking what they want, getting their kicks how they want, when they want....

And meanwhile, back at The Ranch of Hidden Grief the damage ricochets down The Generations.....

So do NOT let me hear anyone else trying to excuse what this Sociopathic Bastard did, for there are NO excuses whatsoever!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 06:01 AM

""Can't help thinking that as well as the reliving of traumatic experience people are going through as they come forward with what was bottling up inside for so many years, Saville's family are also going through a hell they never asked for.""

Careful Musket.

I said the same some way back and got a lambasting from our resident "cultural" expert.

Don T.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:54 AM

I've looked at the headstone on a photo, and I wonder why they don't just keep the simple part which gives his name, age and dates of birth and death. It's the eulogy to the right of it which offends.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:42 AM

Christopher Biggins has been one of the most outspoken concerning allegations that the BBC knew but protected Savile in order to keep the golden goose alive:

"The BBC are the real culprits because they covered it up because of the two big [TV] series they had with him and they were very, very out of order. That's absolutely true.
"There were heads of department [at the BBC] who should be held to account and I think it will come out who they were. The other thing was that they didn't want Stoke Mandeville [Hospital] to suffer, but I think they were wrong. Stoke Mandeville wouldn't have suffered."
People were "frightened" to expose Savile, he said. "Nobody could understand why nothing had been done, why the press had such a soft approach to it. He was an iconic character, in as much as raising so much money,

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:35 AM

"He must have been like it before he was famous."

He was. Read my posts above.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:32 AM

For those who asserted that the women coming forward must all be gold-digging liars. It has been clarified in the press (no link to hand) that none of the complainants have sought or received any monies for their stories in the print press, the axed Newsnight programme or the ITV Exposure programme.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:27 AM

"Why no reports to police, complaints to the BBC, civil action, or people charged with attempting GBH on Savile?"

As I think has been mentioned a number of times already, there were around four different police enquiries following complaints during Savile's lifetime.
At least one girl we know of made a complaint to staff at the Dunholm home for "disturbed girls", she was locked in a padded cell for several days to punish her for telling lies.
A member of staff at one of the hospitals Savile worked at, ignored another witness who complained after seeing Savile abuse a patient who was unable to defend herself.
I've read at least one comment on the internet (posted on a thread following Savile's death) describing an aggrieved boyfriend beating Savile up for groping his girlfriend (a student Nurse in Leeds) in public, there were (he says) numerous witnesses, hence Savile didn't seek legal redress.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:15 AM

Why no reports to police, complaints to the BBC
There were.
They were just not followed up.

civil action, or people charged with attempting GBH on Savile?

He had money and influence.
His victims did not.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:07 AM

A friend of mine has made an interesting point. The numbers of affected women are now acknowledged to be large, even by the police. Some of the women must have told people, in their own family, or friends. Some of those relatives or friends must have felt sufficiently strongly to want to do something about what had happened.

So why the silence? Why no reports to police, complaints to the BBC, civil action, or people charged with attempting GBH on Savile?

My friend also points out that people with habits of Savile's sort don't start or stop suddenly. He must have been like it before he was famous.

Things don't quite add up - and I don't mean that the women concerned are making it up. It takes a lot of guts to come forward in issues like this - there's a lot of flak about attacking the women in this case, much nastier than the fairly mild "he's dead, let sleeping dogs lie" sort of thing here.

Penny

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:52 AM

Yes, Greg, even that paragon of virture Karl Marx sexually abused his maid!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:47 AM

Could change the appearance of the country quite dramatically if they remove all sinners' headstones fropm cemeteries.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:43 AM

His family apparently decided to remove his headstone out of respect for the sacred nature of the cemetery, and to avoid causing offence to mourners who came there to visit their own relatives' graves. I do feel very sorry for his family.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:39 AM

Martin: Just listening to an interview on radio 4, seems he will be posthumously stripped of his knighthood shortly.

My understanding is that there'd have to be a change in the law for this to happen. The PM apparently said that there is a process for stripping people of titles, but he didn't appear to realise that it applies to living individuals only. There is no mechanism in law for stripping honours posthumously, AFAIK.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Silas
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:29 AM

Time for a thread title change as well then?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:18 AM

One interesting fact which I read this morning is that his Honour dies with him, so there's no need to strip him of it posthumously. Therefore one should refer to him as Jimmy Savile, NOT 'Sir'. Good!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:54 AM

A police statement describes him as "a predatory sex offender" so no question of concealment any more.

The question is why were complaints never followed up?

Abuse victims should be listened to, and child abuse never ignored for fear of upsetting the offenders' relations or community.
It is extraordinary that it even needs saying, but that is what has happened here and in the Northern child trafficking cases.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:34 AM

I notice his headstone has been removed at the request of his family out of respect to the alleged victims.

Can't help thinking that as well as the reliving of traumatic experience people are going through as they come forward with what was bottling up inside for so many years, Saville's family are also going through a hell they never asked for. You have a family member you can have pride in, institution and all that and suddenly it all comes crashing down at a level where being related carries a stigma they neither want nor deserve.

Not many winners on this thread eh? I related a story about meeting him when the thread started last year. Makes you think...

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:43 AM

You will find Godwin's Law in Wikipedia, Al. It states that the longer any thread on any subject continues anywhere on the Web, the likelihood increases of a comparison, relevant or not, of a comparison with or ref to Hitler/Nazis.

Dave ~~ 'accuracy matters' is ever my watchword. But it just so happens that for personal reasons I am partic sensitive to that one: my dear first wife Valerie's maiden name was Godwin, and people would say Goodwin [just as I was so often 'Myers'!], which always drove my in-laws wild. Apologies for being such a bore! {Tho must remind yet again of the person on another forum who posted "MGM, your pedantry is legendary"! One has an image to maintain when one is a legend, you know.}

Best

~M~

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Al Whittle
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 09:13 PM

What was Godwin's Law?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 03:11 PM

MtGM - Do you feel really big correcting little people?

If so, feel free. Always happy to help anyone feel better about themselves...

:D tG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 06:36 AM

Just listening to an interview on radio 4, seems he will be posthumously stripped of his knighthood shortly. Several plaques have already been removed from buildings he opened. Charities up and down the country are distancing themselves from him.

He visited the Queen several times, attended her parties, rang in the New Year in the company of three past Prime Ministers and was the patron of 19 Royal charities.

Seems a sickening news story concerning him and Gary Glitter is about to break.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 04:46 AM

Footage has emerged which proves that Starr's claim to have never been at the BBC and to have never met Karin Ward - who accused him of groping and humiliating her for her "lack of breasts" in Savile's BBC dressing room, when she was 14 - is untrue. She is seen beside him in 1974 on filmed footage of BBC's Clunk Click, which Savile hosted.

Some have suggested there may have been a ring of abusers preying on young girls at the BBC, including Savile, 'procurers' and other celebrities of the time. I think, considering both the way that abusers like to work and the ease of celebrity access to young girls, that this is entirely plausible. So far as we know however, this is the only allegation against Starr to have come to light thus far.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9595319/Freddie-Starr-did-appear-on-Jimmy-Savile-show-with-accuser.html

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 03:47 AM

We must also consider the fact most of this occurred in the 1970's, a different time, and sadly a very different attitude to abuse. I recall the late John Peel gave a very open and frank interview about young girls visiting the BBC some years back.

During the seventies and eighties abuse took place in the church and the BBC. Young boys with big ears were favoured by priests, girls of all ages hung around dressing rooms in the BBC, in the hope of seeing a celebrity or getting an extension to their spine.

Some subjects were taboo then. We all recall as children, our fathers changing the channel if some guy gave someone a length during "I Claudius."

Let us hope the victims of his abuse can move on.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 03:24 AM

Dave, if you really are a gnome, then no you do not count as a person, this is not to say your observations are invalid or not welcome, they are.

Dave H

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 01:55 AM

DtG ~ Godwin's, actually.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 01:18 AM

The obit thread was revived by a Guest.
Guests can not start new threads, only revive old ones.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 05:13 PM

he wasa reportd to the police on several occaisions, so people did know.

I am a people and I didn't know. Or do Gnomes not count as people? That's how it started in Nazi Germany you know...

DtG

And now I claim Goodwins law!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 04:59 PM

Sorry Dave, I was referring to CS's post, nothing to do with Eliza.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 04:37 PM

You are wrong CS he wasa reportd to the police on several occaisions, so people did know.
Dave H

Agreed, those who knew included a select group. Both those who moved in celebrity circles, and those police to whom his activities were reported to. About six complaints to police now, I believe, that we are aware of? I'm unsure how many were made during Savile's lifetime.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 04:36 PM

An "obit" is normally what we get at the time of death. If something unsavoury comes to light well after someone has been dead and buried or burned (as quite frequenty happens), and we wish to discuss it, I think normally the convention would be to start up a new thread, rather than to revive an old "obit" thread.
.............................

The suggestion that people who posted to the obit thread saying stuff about Jimmy Saville, echoing the favourable image that the media had presented, ought to be criticised at this time is just nasty - in fact I'd say it reflects what can fairly be described as a witch-hunting mentality.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 03:12 PM

Dave, I think Eliza probably meant those who have praised JS on this thread, ('blown smoke up his arse', to quote Guest Martin's delightful turn of phrase) who were unaware of his apparent behaviour. I certainly had no idea about any of the stuff he's reputed to have got up to, and there's no reason why, in view of the conspiracy of silence which seems to have been conducted by his peers, anyone outside 'Show-Biz' should or would have known.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 02:55 PM

You are wrong CS he wasa reportd to the police on several occaisions, so people did know.

Dave H

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 01:40 PM

I should also say that women tend to be more available to men who are notable successes, and that such men often assume that women will be available. Otherwise, to CS, yes, it is still the case that women are judged to a large extent on the sexiness of their appearance. Some founder feminists were well (I think) aware of this and are reported to have gained large amounts of weight specifically to add gravitas to their presence.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 01:36 PM

That is not her decision. We are a constitutional monarchy.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 01:21 PM

Obviously even the Queen was impressed by the man, since she knighted him.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 10:51 AM

Unfair to be critical of those who praised his work prior to these allegations coming to light. No-body bar the victims (and it would seem those who moved in celebrity circles) knew anything unsavoury about Savile during his lifetime. I certainly didn't.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 10:41 AM

Guest Martin - What do you mean by

Strange that none of those who blew smoke up his arse prior to my post of 1st October returned to comment. ?

If by 'blew smoke up his arse' you mean praised him in some way then you are wrong. I praised him - Second post on the thread I think. That was before I was aware of the allegation against him. I have posted since with my views that he does seem guilty but only the media seem to be benefiting. I will certainly not praise him any more but your choice of phrase does leave a lot to be desired.

I also like Runrig, Jethro Tull, Ashley Hutchins and John Tamms. I would certainly not choose to orally introduce any tobacco by-products to their nether regions...

DtG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 10:35 AM

"There was (is?) a culture in the entertainment industry where successful male performers regarded all females as available."

A culture of misogyny certainly prevailed within a number of industries - most no doubt - up until the recent past. And no doubt does so to a somewhat lesser extent today.

However, I think a culture of both sexism and related agism exclusively towards women are today still probably more prevalent within the entertainment industry/ies than in many others which have moved on. One only has to watch prime time TV (which admittedly I don't anymore) with a clear eye, to see it.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 10:25 AM

Rot in Purgatory - which is apparently, for those interested in trivia, a Batman episode.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 10:06 AM

RIP

Repulsive Irredeemable Pedophile