Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:19 AM

Saville sexually molested lulu on juke box jury in the 60s on live tv . Nobody said or did anything about it

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:17 AM

""Don T, do you still think the alleged child victims might all be lying?""

Keith A, do YOU believe in trial by Media?

The evidence may well be overwhelming and I may well have decided the allegations are, on the balance of probabilities, true.

But I am not a judge, and neither my friend are you.

It is a very dangerous thing to try cases out of court, more especially when the accused isn't in a position to respond.

My only point in this thread is this. Do YOU believe it is right to ignore the most basic tenet of English Law, that every man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Now I'm out of here. The relish with which some of you have picked this man apart is slightly sickening.

Don T.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:05 AM

Further to the reluctance of victims to 'tell' of their experience. When I was twelve, I often visited a female cousin at her home in Ealing, West London, with my parents and sister. She had a piano in the 'study' and she always let me go in there to play it (alone). Her husband was a creepy type, and on one occasion came in while I was playing, came up behind me and started to touch me very inappropriately. I absolutely froze. I didn't know what to do or say. Fortunately, my cousin's little boy came in looking for his Daddy and the creep left the room. I never spoke of this to anyone, and certainly not my parents. I just knew that they'd have been disgusted with ME for 'imagining' such a 'dirty' thing. Needless to say, I never again played that piano and stuck close to my mother during future visits. I relate this minor incident just to show that young girls don't always feel they can tell whayt has happened. They feel ashamed and try to forget it as best they can. We all need to be vigilant on their behalf.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 05:51 AM

Jim makes what I think is a very good point about the police in the 70s and 80s. Only a few years before Hillsborough the police in Yorkshire were beating seven shades of crap out of striking miners - or at best treating them like cattle. That's how they'd become used to dealing with large crowds of working-class men by the time of Hillsborough - plus they knew they could get away with it.

My father-in-law, on the other hand, was a police sergeant in Lancashire during the strike and never took a penny in overtime. His father-in-law was a retired miner and he knew he wouldn't be able to look him in the face if he did (despite being a Conservative voter himself).

Bit of a drift, I know, but Jim's remark just put me in mind of it.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 05:31 AM

No-one is Jim, but we know that "sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships" was considered to be an issue more important than stopping the abuse of vulnerable kids on an industrial scale.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:52 AM

"The man in my opinion was loathsome."
Yes he was - and obviously so to judge by some of the revolting self promoting film-clips shown on last night's Newsnight.
He was very much a part of the media's 'dumbing down' campaign of children's broadcasting.
Am I alone in yearning for the balmy days of 'Childrens' Hour' and 'Top of the Form' when (or so it seems to me' children were treated like future adults and not potention customers for pop-pap?
"just these cases."
Have I imagined that the man who was in charge of those largely responsible for the Hillsborough atrocity has just resigned after nearly half a century?
And we haven't even started to discuss their willingness to be used as a private army by Lady T
It seems the Yorkshire police have a record that would be more at home in a Mack Sennett studio than with a responsible police force.
Anybody attempting to make racist capital out of child abuse is a sicko - it finishes here as far as I'm concerned
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:42 AM

It may come as no surprise to those not wearing tinfoil hats that Savile is likely to have used his 'charitable' work as an hospital porter, as a means to assault yet more vulnerable victims. And as in a number of other instances, although a complaint was made at the time of this incident, no further action was taken:

"June Thornton, now 80, claimed she was lying in a four-bed bay in the Brotherton wing after undergoing back surgery in 1972 when she witnessed the incident.
She said: "There is no doubt whatsoever that it was Jimmy Savile and that he molested that woman.
"I can still remember seeing exactly what he did. He just helped himself to her. He molested her. He rubbed his hands over her chest and further down her front."
Mrs Thornton, from the north of York, claimed that when she told a nurse, she took no notice and nothing was done. ""

More:

A NORTH Yorkshire woman was sexually assaulted by Sir Jimmy Savile as she lay strapped to a hospital trolley following a spinal operation, she has claimed.
The woman, who is now 55, said the abuse happened when she was 16 after she underwent the painful procedure at Leeds General Infirmary in 1973.
She told The Press: "I was on a hospital trolley when I was sexually assaulted by him. I was lying flat on my back. I was crying after having this procedure because I was in pain. He bent down and I thought he was giving me a reassuring cuddle, but he was inappropriate; he inappropriately touched my chest.
"I was wearing a thin hospital gown and he touched me on the top half. For that to happen in a hospital – well, I just did not know what to do. I was upset, but I was more in shock. I felt too frightened to report it because everyone thought he was a saint. This was somebody who was like having your dad around. He was a public figure.
The victim said she believes other women are coming forward now because they were too ashamed to report the attacks in an era where their allegations may not have been heard.
She said: "In the 1970s, if you tried reporting rape or sexual assault or something like that you were accused of making it up. It was the age when short skirts were in fashion and you were accused of leading the man on; that you were asking for it. I was brought up in a strict Catholic background and if I had told my parents, they would have thought I was making it up."

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9968467.Ex_York_nurse_saw_Jimmy_Savile____molest____patient/?ref=rss

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:33 AM

………… I saw him there once, he had a huge caravan [ trailer ] to stop in, where there were also 2 very young girls who NEVER came out of the caravan all weekend.


What did you do about it at the time?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:06 AM

So far it seems the Yorkshire police were wilfully negligent in the Northern trafficking cases
Yes it does, and you have to ask why they were with just these cases.
As with the clerical abuse scandal, and possibly Savile, because of who the perpetrators were.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:56 AM

Savile apart from his voluntary work at St James Infirmary in Leeds was an Honorary Churchwarden at St Johns Churh at Cragg Vale in Calderdale, I saw him there once, he had a huge caravan [ trailer ] to stop in, where there were also 2 very young girls who NEVER came out of the caravan all weekend.

The good people of Cragg Vale worshipped him for the good works he did , but they must have seen what was going on.

And all the while Savile preached about ' The Duchess ' [ his mother ] was the only woman he ever loved.

Why did he never marry ?

Why was he never seen with an adult woman friend ?

The man in my opinion was loathsome.

Dave H

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Felix Titling
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:53 AM

There were no witches, Doc - Matthew Hopkins was an opportunistic sadist. Paedophiles, on the other hand, are not only real, but they are rife. It is they who are the opportunistic sadists - and Sir Jimmy Savile OBE was one such.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:37 AM

"Northern child trafficking cases"

So far it seems the Yorkshire police were wilfully negligent in the Northern trafficking cases, showing no interest whatever in the victims' testimonies and treating them as compliant in their abuses -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/09/rochdale-grooming-trial-race

"Inconvenience" in no way came into those cases other than in the minds of those who would put it there   
This appears not to have been the case here, where there seems (so far) genuinely not to have been enough evidence to take action.
Won't be around for a week after today, but will be interested on my return to find if this has been turned into yet another 'Muslim Prejudice' thread - shame on those who would use a case of child abuse for such an agenda.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:10 AM

What would we call the boss of the special squad? The Paedophile Finder General, perhaps.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:59 AM

The 2 linked Guardian articles, Spleen Cringe's and mine, both make a comparison with the Northern child trafficking cases.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/01/jimmy-savile-abused-children-documentary
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/liking-young-girls-not-preference-perversion




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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:43 AM

...and other recent cases of child abuse being allowed to continue for years on a huge scale because it was inconvenient for the victims' testimonies to be believed.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:38 AM

"I think one of the principal issues here is the apparent 'turning of a blind eye'"
While there appears not to have been enough evidence to act on complaints that were made against Savile, it seems totally unacceptable that he was allowed to go on working with children once these complaints were made - not as a punishment for unproved allegations, but simply as a safeguard.
This really is comparable with what happened in the clerical abuse cases.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,al whittle
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:28 PM

not sure why the distinction is so important. Fact is, lots of people let it go on - for all sorts of reasons


And there really isn't any reason good enough for this sort of thing happening.

Not sure where that leaves us other than we've all got to try harder. After all the laws are in place. they must be policed more effectively to protect youngsters. perhaps we need a special squad - for investigations and complaints where the suspected criminal is famous.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:02 PM

"Innocent till proved guilty" is a good principle - but is hard to apply in cases where no trial is possible.
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There are two kinds of reason why accusations against high profile people may be dismissed out of hand. One is the case where the person is seen as too powerful,or where damage to an organisation is feared, etc. The other is where they are seen as incredible because the person is trusted and genuinely seen as above suspicion.

Neither kind of reason should be allowed to get in the way of responding properly to such accusations - but the distinction between the two should not be obscured. The first is a matter of corruption, the second is a matter of naivete. They both have to be resisted and eliminated, but the process of doing this is liable to be different.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:37 PM

I think one of the principal issues here is the apparent 'turning of a blind eye' by many different organisations. The Police, the BBC, the Managers of the Home etc. It seemed that the fact Savile was famous and ostensibly a saintly icon protected him from any investigation. I feel people are so shocked and disgusted because no-one dared to blow the whistle. The point is that the same scenario could happen today. Celebrity is so important and famous people are revered and idolised. So are men such as ministers of religion, scoutmasters, choirmasters, youth leaders, teachers, doctors etc. It takes a lot to challenge their integrity. CRB checks may not turn up anything of concern, and such positions provide a happy hunting ground for the perverted.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:33 PM

I didn't watch the programme but understand it was on ITV. Have not the Tory Party and their masters the Murdoch Press been trying to discredit the BBC for years for their own ends. Jommy Savile has turned up just in time.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:26 PM

I don't much care for proclaiming guilt because there was an "aura of pervert". Guilt depends on being guilty, not having an aura.
I agree with you Richard.
I have not seen any television programmes, furthermore should people be tried by television?
but innocent until proven guilty is an important principle, if he is guilty which i think is possible,but still not certain, I feel sorry for the people he abused.
there are one or two convicted child abusers on the uk folk scene, one of them posts on this forum.
However I would not reveal that persons name to anyone publicly, because I do not believe in vigilantism, imo providing that person never works with children they have a right to remain anonymous
   imo it is not sufficent for them to say i have had my punishment, because they have messed up someone elses life or lives.,I find it very difficult knowing how to deal with someone who has abused children

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:22 AM

I am, as usual, being misquoted.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:51 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/liking-young-girls-not-preference-perversion

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:57 AM

EDIT: however it is worth noting that the CLAIMS ARE not 'new' as such, as the interviewee made a complaint against Savile to police back in 2007:

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:51 AM

And it keeps getting worse. I hadn't followed the link to the Haut de le Garenne children's home in Jersey before. The following from the Sun unfortunately, however it is worth noting that the story is not 'new' as such, as the interviewee made a complaint against Savile to police back in 2007:

[A] nine-year-old is the youngest person said to have been abused by the Jim'll Fix It star, who died last year aged 84. Her older sister, now in her 50s, told yesterday for the first time of the attack at the Haut de la Garenne home.
She said hordes of excited children had been bussed across the island to meet the star at the children's home when he was at the height of his TV fame.
She said: "My sister was sitting on his lap — he was a pervert. He put his hand up my dress and also my sister's and fumbled around.
"She was nine and I was 11 at the time in 1971. I just ran away and took my sister away from him." [...]
The older sister made an allegation of indecent assault in 2007 to police at the start of a three-year investigation into child abuse on the island.
She said yesterday she told them of Savile's abuse when they interviewed her after a picture emerged of him with children from the home. The woman added: "It was brushed under the carpet. There should be an independent inquiry."
The TV and radio personality initially lied that he had ever been there. Eventually he admitted he had been to Jersey but it was "a million years ago".
Police found dungeons at the home, where children were systematically abused and tortured. [...]
Jersey Police said last night of Savile: "The allegation was investigated but there was insufficient evidence to proceed."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4570674/Jimmy-Savile-groped-9-year-old-girl.html

CS

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:34 AM

A very queer story. I can't think of a current novelist who could handle this grotequeness. The names of Canadian Mordecai Richler and the late Auberon Waugh resonate - its like one of their plots.

And you'd read it and think, that would never happen. What an unlikely character...!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:29 AM

I stayed up last night to watch the programme and squirmed all through. It was sickening, and I for one completely believe the allegations. I remember that era; girls were thrilled to be invited to meet someone famous and to be on the TV. When they were abused they would have found it impossible to tell anyone, as people thought he was a saint. Also he was crafty enough to select girls from an Institution for 'wayward' young women, whose stories would be instantly discredited. Paedophiles are incredibly devious and sly. They know how to groom the vulnerable and evade detection. Online they contact eachother and refer to their 'Hobby'. Even the most hardened of prisoners I got to know would not have hesitated to attack and even try to 'do in' a paedophile. That's why they're segregated in jail. I feel the Queen would probably prefer to have his knighthood removed posthumously.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:54 AM

Thanks Jim. I wonder why "West York-shire Police refused to say whether it had received any complaints about Savile, who lived in their area."

Do you still "agree with Richard Bridge, let's see the evidence before coming to a conclusion" or is there enoough for you both now?

Don T, do you still think the alleged child victims might all be lying?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:52 AM

"Beware psycopaths - they've got your number!"

Not to mention they "know where you live"

Remember Louis Theroux perplexedly quizzing Savile over why Savile had Throux's name and home address written on a pad in his living room when Theroux filmed his doco with Savile? When asked exactly how he'd got hold of Theroux's home address, Savile said "I can get anything me".

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:40 AM

Whoops! What happened there?

Anyway, what I find grimly fascinating about JS is that he knew exactly how to exploit 'human nature' for his own purposes. He seems to have latched on, very early, to the power of pop music and the hold that it has on audiences. He cultivated an eccentric persona which allowed him, through his DJing, to cash in on that power whilst having no musical talent whatsoever. He knew that many people are inordinately impressed by charity work and thereby was able to both turn himself into a secular saint and to gain honours (including a knighthood - for God's sake!!). Most sinister of all he understood how impressionable and vulnerable some young girls can be and used this knowledge to exploit them sexually. He also knew that many people will readily blame victims of crimes rather than the perpetrators of the crimes (look how many contributors to this thread have attempted to defend him).

Beware psycopaths - they've got your number!

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:27 AM

From this morning's Times
Jim Carroll

BBC 'WAS AWARE OF SAVILE SEX ABUSE ALLEGATIONS IN 1973'
Ben Webster Media Editor
The BBC has removed all programmes featuring Sir Jimmy Savile from its schedules while police investigate alle-gations that he was a serial abuser of young girls from the 1960s to the 1980s.
A repeat of The Story of Light Entertainment, which included an interview with Savile, will not be shown on BBC Four on Saturday, and episodes of Top of the Pops presented by him have also been cancelled.
A former BBC press officer cast doubt yesterday on the corporation's claim that it became aware only last December of the allegations against Savile, who died a year ago.
Rodney Collins said that Douglas Muggeridge, the late Controller of BBC Radio 1 and 2, told him in 1973 that he had heard of allegations relating to Savile and underage girls involved in his Radio 1 series Savile's Travels. He said: "For the BBC to say they weren't aware of anything, they certainly were."
Mr Collins said that Mr Muggeridge asked him to check with some newspapers whether they were going to report the allegations. He said he was told that the newspapers were aware of the allegations but would not report them because Savile did a lot for charity and was a popular man.
A BBC spokesman said that it had searched its files and found no written record of allegations of misconduct by Savile during his time at the BBC.
He added: "We are now working with police forces to help them investigate these matters. We are also keeping our searches for information under review as and when new information comes to light."
Police are considering beginning an investigation into allegations that other people who are still alive, including at least two celebrities, were involved with Savile in abusing girls.
The Metropolitan Police are assessing an allegation by a woman that she was raped by Savile after meeting him while on work experience at Broadcasting House, the BBC's headquarters.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We can confirm that we have received a small number of allegations that are currently being assessed."
Three other police forces confirmed that they had received complaints. Surrey Police received a complaint in 2007 and interviewed Savile under caution but did not proceed after the Crown Prosecution Service said that there was insufficient evidence. Sussex and Jersey police received complaints in 2008 but did not interview him. West York-shire Police refused to say whether it had received any complaints about Savile, who lived in their area.
ITV broadcast claims last night by five women that the presenter abused them in the 1970s when they were child-ren. Last year the BBC Two programme Newsnight interviewed ten witnesses making similar allegations but the programme was dropped. The BBC refused to say yesterday whether George Entwistle, the new Director-General who was head of vision at the time, had been aware of the Newsnight investigation. It said that Mr Entwistle was not involved in the decision to drop the programme, which had been taken for "editorial reasons". Karin Ward, a former pupil at Duncroft Approved School near Staines, Surrey, who alleges that she was abused by Savile, agreed to waive her anonymity to be interviewed by Newsnight, and said she was upset that the programme had been dropped.
She added: "I think the BBC cut the programme because they were appalled ... When they found out some of the abuse happened on their premises I think they were 'absolutely not, you're not telling anyone that, cut it'."
A circular gold plaque in Scarborough, where the presenter had a home, was subject to a graffiti attack this week. Authorities in the North Yorkshire town say they are now reviewing security at the cemetery where his headstone lies. A statue of the star in Glasgow has been removed.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:15 AM

He was obviously incapable of achieving any kind of adult emotional or physical relationship with a woman. Even the assaults on the underage girls he used for his sexual gratification, were a characterised by a routine of beckoning the girl to sit on his knee, immediately shoving his tongue down her neck, his hand up her skirt and into her knickers, and then either expecting a "hand job" or pinning her down for a few minutes of "in and out". All reported that he displayed no emotion either before during or after. It sounded like sex for Savile was a routine mechanical operation. Or maybe like many paedophiles*, he had perfected the art of swiftly taking advantage of any window of opportunity to sexually assault the young teenage girls he came into contact with, that presented itself.





* whether Savile was a paedophile isn't relevant to my point

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:26 AM

Several victims have referred to his physical strength, and how he easily overpowered them.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:25 AM

"That is, unless his charity work was nothing but a popularity-boosting false front."

Yep! I strongly suspect that it probably was!

I watched last night's ITV documentary on JS and it was so grimly, unremittingly sordid I had to turn it off part way through. I would suggest that the "dreadful flaw" in JS's "otherwise caring nature" was psycopathy.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:23 AM

"Seems to me (and those who actually knew him may of course correct me) that JS had a dreadful flaw in what was an otherwise caring nature. That is, unless his charity work was nothing but a popularity-boosting false front."

That's exactly what it was. I'd listen to the stories of those who actually knew him. He was NOT a nice man.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:06 AM

Bless him.
Anyone still want to give him the benefit of the "doubt."

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,BobL
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:57 AM

It may be just my way of thinking, but assuming these reports have substance, I can't help but pity the man.

Seems to me (and those who actually knew him may of course correct me) that JS had a dreadful flaw in what was an otherwise caring nature. That is, unless his charity work was nothing but a popularity-boosting false front.

Hasn't each one of us, sometime in our lives, been in a position where the only thing keeping us back from doing something we knew we shouldn't, was the certainty of being found out and being made to suffer the consequences? It was his bad luck to be susceptible to a particular temptation, and also to have abilities that put him in a position where he could yield to that temptation with relative impunity. It was his eternal disgrace to have ever done so.

I see him as one who had the potential to be the caring person he was recognized for, but blew it. Sad, really.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:36 PM

More from Coleen Nolan of the groping pic. Savile asked her to go to an hotel with him afterwards:

Sir Jimmy Savile suggested to Coleen Nolan that she join him at a hotel when she was just 14-years-old, the singer revealed today.
In an interview today, the Nolan Sisters singer said Sir Jimmy made the invitation following a TV recording when she was just 14.
She had been in the Top Of The Pops studio, along with her chart star sisters who were appearing on the show.
Speaking on ITV1's Alan Titchmarsh Show, she said: "At the time I was 14 and it was just an uncomfortable situation.
"The girls were doing Top Of The Pops and I stood with him while he made the announcement and it was an uncomfortable situation, the way he held me and then he mentioned about going to a hotel.
"But you didn't talk about those things then."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9585196/Jimmy-Savile-invited-me-to-hotel-when-I-was-14-claims-Coleen-Nolan.html

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:23 PM

No it didn't Keith
I say it did, and I am sure that anyone reading those statements would agree.
However, as I have no wish to argue it with you, I will agree to differ.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 01:25 PM

I noticed that the odious Esther Rantzen has jumped on the band waggon: obviously her career needs a boost after that dismal election performance.
There's talk of taking away Sir Jimmy's knigthood, even though he's dead. We could start a trend here: Lord Byron was really suspect, let's strip him of his peerage. Shrodinger (he of the cat) was very dodgy: away with his Nobel Prize. Lewis Carroll, those photographs: defrocked, of course. Did Eric Gill have any honours?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 12:44 PM

The internet has been awash with Saville rumours & allegations
for some years before his death.
Just google his name and any of many keywords to discover hours of prurient reading.

Ranging from the plausible & believable
- to astonishing and bizarre conspiracy theories
involving the Krays, masons, secret intelligence agency cover ups, even speculated links to Fred West !!!???

But so far as I can see not extra terrestrial abduction & invasion.

Here's a long quote from a more down to earth northern football forum:

by Twiggster on Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:00 pm
"CUR jimmy saVILE was a voluntary porter at the LGI, in the early 70's Meaning he had a pass key to the student nurses' dorm.
My ex wife (then fiancée), was a student nurse at the time and had lodgings in one of the student rooms there, which she shared with 3 other students.
HOW many times, did that perv saVILE "accidentally" use his keys to enter their room, at an hour when the girls would be in various states of undress. Not just their room, but almost EVERY room in the student quarters.
Going into the shower room at the end of the girls' shifts to "clean" - funny how he never went in there at times they were working - just when he knew he'd be able to perv on teenage girls in the showers.
Complaints were made about his behaviour frequently to the board of the LGI, but were hushed up or just ignored, cos of "who" he was.
The girls in my fiancées' room were realy getting scared of him, so one evening me and another of the girls' boyfriends sneaked into their room after the girls came off duty. He used his master key to "accidentally" walk in - and me and the lad were in his face. He went white and ran out. 2 mins later he was back with security to have me and the other lad thrown out. (No male friends allowed in student nurses rooms rule!)...
He warned the girls if owt was said, they would lose their jobs. He never went back to their room again, but continued doing the same thing in other student rooms.
Moving on 6 months...
Student nurses Xmas ball at Leeds Poly. I was one of the DJ's for the mobile disco they hired. Was a great evening with everyone having fun. In walks saVILE and wants to take over the turntables! He was told to fekk off in no uncertain terms.
So he goes on the dance floor. I was on the wheels at the time and one of the other dj's pointed to saVILE dancing close to my fiancée, who was a bit distressed with his attempts to dirty dance her. Mate took over and whilst I was walking towards them, I saw him grope her hard. She slapped his face, he slapped her and I went for him. I had him on the floor in a second and began beating the crap out of him. Now, I'm no fighter but I had the red mist and he was begging me to stop.
Luckily the two bouncers on duty were mates of mine and let me pummel him a good while, until I'd calmed down a bit. They finally pulled me off him and threw him out, giving him a few more kicks along the way. I walked back onstage to a round of applause.
SaVILE tried to bring assault charges against me and the bouncers but there were a LOT of witnesses who saw him grope my girlfriend and it was all hushed up.
Hushed up, like his attempted rape of another student nurse, who was only saved as an ambulance man happened to be in the vicinity and heard the lass scream. SaVILE laughed it off as "a bit of fun". Lass too scared to make a police statement. Again, all complaints were hushed over and ignored..."you can't accuse a saint like jimmy - he is working here for free", was the reply from the top.
My PERSONAL experience of the twot.
Then you have a mate of mine (yes, ok, not my personal experience - but I have heard this from his daughter's mouth), after the lass (8 at the time) was on Jim'llfix it, at the studios.
"When Daddy went to sign some papers, Jimmy was stroking my leg and was trying to touch my nickers"...
He admitted he held her leg to "comfort her as she was scared". She never actually did the show, as she didn't want to be near him.
Jimmy saVILE was a horrible and detestable pervert, which was glossed over as he was a media darling. Untouchable for those who he abused.
I am happy I got to kick the crap out of him."

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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 12:15 PM

"Whenever something of this nature hits the press... all kinds of people come forward... even ones who had nothing at all to do with the perpetrator/paedophile... why... because somewhere in a bank(s) or other financial investment is a vast fortune left by 'the accused' "

Does it? Oddly enough I've never seen this apparently commonplace phenomenon, but you evidently have. What other wealthy dead big name celebrities have been the focus of mass "snowballing" allegations of abuse in this way?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 12:07 PM

No, no, no!
You pair have wrecked countless threads with your personal, childish feud.
Please Foxtrot Oscar and leave this one alone.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:59 AM

"Yes it did Jim."
No it didn't Keith - in no way does it link who these people were with a reason for why they were not prevented from doing what they were doing.
The reports on the events indicated clearly very bored "yawning" policemen taking down statements from abuse victims and then suggesting it was the victims who were to blame - nothing to do with the perpetrators, unless you are suggesting that the police didn't act because hey were afraid of bad press.
I have no intention of taking this any further along this road and I suggest you leave it where it is.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:54 AM

And also Jim, Peter Watt who was a General Secretary of the Labour Party said,
"So scores of girls aged 12 – 16 from a small geographical area are groomed, gang raped and then intimidated into silence by a small group of men of Pakistani origin and:

"It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided."

But a sick and distorted sense of political and cultural sensitivity allowed criminals to go unprosecuted and worse the horror to continue for years for young girls in Rotherham."

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Johnny J
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:49 AM

Dear, dear....

There IS a law against indecently assaulting a woman(or man for that matter) whatever the age of the performer.

If he or she was a willing participant in the proceedings, then it would be merely "sleaze" and it may or may not be against the law if the act takes place or is broadcast in a public place.

From the video, it appears as if the girl is being "groped" and she doesn't look entirely happy about it.
No complaint was made at time time and, by all accounts, Colleen doesn't even wish to pursue the matter now but I still think Savile was completely out of order.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Felix Titling
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:48 AM

A bit sleazy? That clip is 100% proof pure vintage sleaze. The kid was fourteen FFS. But there it is - an evident act of sexual assault on a naive minor in full camera view. Still, it seems The Nolans were aware of his reputation at the time...

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM

Hmmm. Not sure about that, Jack. I doubt the Nolan in question would agree with you. The clip looks bizarre.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:41 AM

Its a bit like the Conservatives.

No use blaming maggie Thatcher - she always looked weird and sounded dodgy.

Blame the idiots who voted for her.

Similarly with Jimmy Saville.

Blame the nutters who watched him, and let their kids write into someone who was weird and sounded dodgy.

I mean - look at him, for godsake! If he was in a line up of weirdoes, could you pick out the weirdo - I think in all honesty - anybody could!   You know that saying - does what it says on the label.....could be his epitaph really.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:38 AM

Which in no way attempts to link the dereliction of duty by the police to "who the perpetrators are."
Yes it did Jim.
She said, "Why do we so often fail to act when we suspect or even know that children are being sexually abused? Nothing prompts the question more than the disgraceful example of the grooming gangs in Rochdale in which scores of girls were drugged, raped and sold by men who were afforded better protection than their victims were until the criminal justice system and child protection agencies were forced to act. In 2008, one victim of the most serious abuse and exploitation reported to the police and another agency that she had been the victim of serious sexual assaults by adult men but the focus was more on her behaviour than of the abusers."