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Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed

Will Fly 04 Nov 11 - 07:02 PM
GUEST 05 Nov 11 - 02:57 AM
Will Fly 05 Nov 11 - 05:15 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 11 - 06:56 AM
Murray MacLeod 05 Nov 11 - 12:39 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 11 - 12:56 PM
GUEST 06 Nov 11 - 11:41 AM
GUEST 07 Nov 11 - 08:27 AM
Will Fly 07 Nov 11 - 10:14 AM
Hamish 07 Nov 11 - 11:44 AM
GUEST 12 Nov 11 - 05:21 AM
Will Fly 12 Nov 11 - 07:44 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Nov 11 - 08:07 AM
GUEST 12 Nov 11 - 12:57 PM
Will Fly 12 Nov 11 - 01:50 PM
Richard Bridge 12 Nov 11 - 01:52 PM
GUEST 14 Nov 11 - 03:23 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Nov 11 - 03:33 PM
GUEST 14 Nov 11 - 03:46 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Nov 11 - 03:51 PM
GUEST,Guitar Junction owner 14 Nov 11 - 06:28 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Nov 11 - 06:31 PM
GUEST,Guitar Junction owner 14 Nov 11 - 06:47 PM
GUEST,Guitar Junction Fan 20 Dec 11 - 05:07 PM
GUEST,Ray 21 Dec 11 - 05:56 AM
Richard Bridge 21 Dec 11 - 11:43 AM
GUEST 22 Dec 11 - 08:13 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Dec 11 - 08:49 AM
Nigel Parsons 22 Dec 11 - 10:02 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Dec 11 - 11:19 AM
Pete Jennings 22 Dec 11 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,Ray 22 Dec 11 - 11:51 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Dec 11 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,Ex-Manager Guitar Junction! 15 Feb 12 - 01:16 PM
GUEST 09 Jul 12 - 01:22 PM
GUEST,bignige 10 Jul 12 - 06:45 AM
GUEST,vectis 11 Jul 12 - 06:42 AM
GUEST,Jon Harley 23 Sep 12 - 01:02 PM
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Subject: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 07:02 PM

Customers or prospective customers of Guitar Junction in Worthing (UK) will be saddened to learn that the shop ceased trading on 2nd November. The original founder, Dave Crozier, parted from the business some time ago and has his own company - Old School Guitars - in Newhaven.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 02:57 AM

Dave left in march and that was who ruined guitar junction so I've heard


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 05:15 AM

There are several versions of the reasons for the closure, depending on who you listen to, and it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss them here.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 06:56 AM

I know neither party, but the only times I looked online the prices were eyewatering.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 12:39 PM

I assume by "eyewatering" you mean the opposite of "mouthwatering", Richard ?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 12:56 PM

Had I bought the relevant guitars, my bank manager would have cried!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 11:41 AM

There will always be stories and rumours when a business closes. Some may have a snippet of truth, but unless the source is the business owner the stories will likely be unreliable.

As to high prices, well quality costs, and for the last few months there have been huge bargains on quality guitars at Guitar Junction. Fact is the economic situation meant that very few people were parting with their cash, even for the bargains.

Now that the business has closed, enquiries about the stock have increased.

Losing a quality independent guitar shop is a shame, for the customers, and the staff.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 08:27 AM

Agree its a shame for (most of) the staff but frankly the manager was an arrogant p**** when I went in ther a few months ago. I had just learned that Drum n Strum has closed after 30 odd years and when I mentioned that, he said " yeah good isn't it !" with no hint of sympathy. I refused to go there again and I think they got what they deserve. A few friends of mine agree their attitude sucked !


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 10:14 AM

Drum'n Strum closed because Marc, who owned it and ran it, decided to retire. No sympathy required. I had several discussions with Marc about stock and what should be done with it, and I was going to do business on eBay on his behalf should push come to shove. In the end, eBay wasn't required and Marc disposed of all his stock quite easily.

I never went into Guitar Junction after DC parted from it, so I can't comment on the new owner or the staff at that period.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Hamish
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:44 AM

Well it was the finest guitar shop I've ever been in - but that was a few years ago and Dave C was there. "Play anything you want; can I get you a coffee?"

And oh so many great guitars. At sensible prices. Not cheap, cos as "guest" said "quality costs". I still lust after a 1953 all mahogany OOO Martin which at the time was out my range. A few months later I had the money, but the guitar was long gone. Wonder who's the happy owner?

Top notch emporium - or was, but only some time ago apparently.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 05:21 AM

I placed a guitar with them to sell. I hope I can get it back.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 07:44 AM

If you had a guitar with them to sell on consignment, then email johnw@guitarjunction.com to find out where it is and how you can retrieve it.

It's important that they gave you written proof of it being your instrument being sold on commission by them. Should the worst have happened and the stock has been taken by bailiffs acting on behalf of receivers - as happened many years ago to Broadway Music in Worthing - then you have proof that the instrument was not Guitar Junction property.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 08:07 AM

There's a case that I half remember about a mercantile agent in possession passing good title even though he had goods on consignment. I think it was about an expensive piano. But I can't remember it exactly.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 12:57 PM

I e-mailed him. Apparently he has sold it and pocketed the money and I now have to go through creditors to attempt to get the money back. I still have the contract safe and sound fortunately.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 01:50 PM

What a rotten thing to have done. I do hope you're successful in getting the money out of him.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 01:52 PM

There may be an argument that as a mercantile agent he held the proceeds on trust. What does the contract say about that?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 03:23 PM

I'm sure their intention wasn't to rip anyone off in regards to "pocketing the money" from selling someones guitar maybe it was hoped that things would get better but obviously they never did.
Remember some people may have lost a guitar, big deal! Others have lost their jobs and maybe more. Think before Writing such idiotic comments.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 03:33 PM

Guitars are personal.

And the "light at the end of the tunnel" test has been obsolete for many years in deciding whether there was unlawful trading. The test is now whether there was a reasonable prospect of avoiding insolvency.

Frankly, as client accounts are mandatory for solicitors, so they should be for people taking the property of others for onward sale. The net amount from the sale due to the former owner should be paid into the client account. Anything else should be treated as fraud. Sale to the new owner without such a payment should also be treated as fraud.

There is no good excuse.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 03:46 PM

A trend that appears to have been started by the previous owner unfortunately....


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 03:51 PM

So do your due diligence when buying a business and TRY to trade honestly.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Guitar Junction owner
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:28 PM

Sorry, but I do take exception to being accused of selling a guitar and pocketing the money. Once the winding up process has been finalised, it is expected that everyone (except me) will be paid in full. That is why I have closed the business down now, before debts overwhelm it. Closure at any time will leave some customers waiting for money, but I'd rather not be tried on a forum and found guilty by those ignorant of the true circumstances.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:31 PM

So why didn't you run a client trust account then?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Guitar Junction owner
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:47 PM

I'm sorry Richard, but I do not have to justify the way Guitar Junction was run. Nobody has been intentionally "ripped off".


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Guitar Junction Fan
Date: 20 Dec 11 - 05:07 PM

Real shame it has closed. Hopefully you can start again and perhaps downsize.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 21 Dec 11 - 05:56 AM

It seems to me that you do have to justify how guitar junction was run as you are the owner.

If you sell someones guitar for them you should take your commission and pay them promptly. Unless someone walks out of the shop with the guitar and holds the door open for the bailif, which I assume didn't happen, you have, in effect pocketed the money.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Dec 11 - 11:43 AM

What Ray said.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 08:13 AM

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05319592

oh dear


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 08:49 AM

Very Oh Dear. That looks at least like knowingly trading whilst insolvent.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 10:02 AM

Very Oh Dear. That looks at least like knowingly trading whilst insolvent.
I think Richard nay be inventing terms here.
My belief is that everyone who trades trades 'knowingly'. I can't imaging anyone trades without knowing they're doing it.

With Richard's background many people may take his comments at face value.

I think that what he meant was "trading while knowingly insolvent". A slight change in the order of the words can make a large difference in the meaning!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 11:19 AM

See sections 213 and 214 Insolvency Act 198, smartarse.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 11:38 AM

1986. You took the words right out of my fingers, Richard. Well, maybe apart from the last one!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 11:51 AM

Looks like Mr Guitar Junction Owner (aka Mr John Derek Walford - born in Brighton 1957) may need to use the proceeds of selling "GUEST's" guitar to make a contribution under section 214 (1).

Its amazing what you can find out using this interweb thingy. What I'd like to know is whether the sale of GUEST's guitar/retention of proceeds can be considered an intention to permanently deprive in which case, he could be accused of its theft.

Whilst we're on the subject of dodgy music shops, does anyone know what eventually happened to Messrs Harrisson from Doncaster?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 12:27 PM

Probably not Ray.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Ex-Manager Guitar Junction!
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 01:16 PM

05 Nov 11 - 02:57 AM Speaks the truth along with difficult economic times!

Also I'm not an arrogant p**** (comment on 07 Nov 11 - 08:27 AM). I never said that! I happen to know Marc, and at the time asked if there was anything I can do to help! Perhaps if your going to make an insulting comment on here you should leave your name!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 01:22 PM

i visited my aunt who lives in goring about four years ago ,i noticed guitar junction and stopped off to have a look i saw dave crozier in the shop but it was closed when i eplained to him i d travelled from stoke he let me in ,made me a coffeee snd told me to try any thing i wanted ,...... top geezer


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,bignige
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:45 AM

I can only speak well of Guitar Junction, having driven from Tamworth Staffs, Dave Crozier welcomed me in, offerred me coffee, and let me play what ever I wanted. He checked out my Santa Cruz OM on which the top seemed to be pulling up slightly, and assured me it was OK. I then bought a second hand Martin JC 16, which is still the best instrument I have. For me they were an OK shop.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,vectis
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 06:42 AM

Just had my strat copy sorted at Old School Guitars at Newhaven. Top job.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Junction (Worthing, UK) closed
From: GUEST,Jon Harley
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:02 PM

My son & I bought a Collings at Guitar Junction, after the shop moved from the smaller to the larger premises in Worthing, & on several occasions I had visited the smaller shop & always been treated politely, with no pressure to purchase.   Excellent service, and yes coffee or tea. They fitted an LR Baggs and carried out fine set-up.
Great shop. Shame to see it closed, but Dave Crozier is now in Newhaven at Old-School Guitars - & coffee there too!


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