BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 07:50 PM

Wait...aren't we going off Daylight Idiotic Savings Sure Time instead of going on it? And go on it in the summer? mg

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 08:02 PM

So, why are all so neggy on night life? I suspect many of us were conceived outside of daylight hours.


""Night time is the right time, to be with the one you love"" Ray Charles

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Bert
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 08:13 PM

...Wait...aren't we going off Daylight Idiotic Savings Sure Time instead of going on it?...

Of course mg. But going ON it isn't a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 08:53 PM

Has anyone here worked third shift which includes the 2 AM hour at which we are supposed to set clocks back or ahead? I have always wondered if workers get an extra hour of pay in the fall but get docked an hour in the spring.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 09:43 PM

ChanteyLass -I believe it is as you state.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 08:41 AM

Or why not wait until the Christmas break to put the clocks back when most people are at home. All we gain in October is a short time of lighter mornings. In the UK we have had the hottest October on record if we keep on having hot Octobers like this what is the advantage of an extra hour in bed?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 09:46 AM

Katlaughing said:

My dad, who really wasn't religious, said Standard Time was "God's Time" and good enough for him. Me, too.:-)

Kat, Standard Time is neither "God's Time" nor natural time. The establishment of time zones is a creation of government just as much as Daylight Saving Time. "Natural time" or "Sun Time" is smooth, as gradual as the relative position of the sun. If there are four cities, let's say in a straight line east and west, even if they were fairly close to each other the natural or sun time will be different in each.

Time zones were created (by government) largely to facilitate the building of the transcontinental railroads. You couldn't run the railroads efficiently or safely when every point on a railroad had a separate time of its own; there had to be a standard time structure in order to organize the scheduling of train traffic.

Daylight Saving Time is no more artificial nor governmental than Standard Time.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 09:46 AM

ChanteyLass and Ed T: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "docked." Ordinarily (I think) "docked" means reduced pay, not reduced hours. If you're implying workers work 8 hours but only get paid for 7 (which is what I thought you meant at first), I'm sure you're wrong. But (as I finally realized after pondering this problem for a long time) that's probably not what you meant.

My guess is, in the spring, when DST begins, one shift works for 7 hours, and in the fall, they work 9 hours. There might be other, more complicated ways of managing the change. You might have 3 shifts in a row each work 7 hours and 40 minutes in the spring, and 8 hours and 20 minutes in the fall, which would be safer and more fair, in my opinion. But regardless, each worker should get paid for the actual number of hours he/she works.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 12:31 PM

We all have a 'Body Clock', and to try and trick it is a dodgy business. I'm always awake and up early, 6am, need a nice nap mid-afternoon, and go to bed early, 10pm say. When travelling I can doze off if it's my usual sleep time, even leaning against an airport wall in a queue! But trying to keep awake until 1am to board a cheap flight I feel dizzy, shivery and ill. I honestly can't see the point nowadays of changing the clocks twice a year. What is it FOR?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 02:40 PM

If it's your shift when DST starts, you either work an hour less or more. But, of course they get paid ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Genie
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 03:04 PM

DK if DST is a commie plot, but at least now that we're actually on Standard Time, when people and the media, etc., keep announcing that something happened or will happen at such-and-such o'clock "EST" or "CST" or "PST," etc., they'll be right.   

When DST is in effect, they really mean "EDT," CDT," "PDT," etc.

DK why even the professional media can't seem to grasp the correct terminology. (How could "PST" stand for "Pacific Daylight Time" or "CST" stand for "Central Daylight Time?"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 04:05 PM

Time zones make sense. Shuffling the clocks back and forth doesn't, except possibly in far north and far south latitudes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 04:15 PM

This thread was off the rails at post one.

EST--Eastern Socialist Time
CST--Central Socialist Time
PST--Pacific Socialist Time

Nothin' to do with those damned commies.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: saulgoldie
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:20 PM

When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: BTNG
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:31 PM

all this fuss over nothing LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:18 PM

""Benjamin Franklin conceived of it. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle endorsed it. Winston Churchill campaigned for it. Kaiser Wilhelm first employed it. Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt went to war with it, and the United States fought an energy crisis with it"".

Definitive Book on Daylight Saving Time

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:24 PM

Light Verse

It's just five, but it's light like six.
It's lighter than we think.
Mind and day are out of sync.
The dog is restless.
The dog's owner is sleeping and dreaming of Elvis.
The treetops should be dark purple,
but they're pink.

Here and now. Here and now.
The sun shakes off an hour.
The sun assumes its pre-calendrical power.
(It is, though, only what we make it seem.)
Now in the dog-owner's dream,
the dog replaces Elvis and grows bigger
than that big tower

in Singapore, and keeps on growing until
he arrives at a size
with which only the planets can empathize.
He sprints down the ecliptic's plane,
chased by his owner Jane
(that's not really her name), who yells at him
to come back and synchronize.

— VIJAY SESHADRI, author of "The Long Meadow"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:37 PM

"Time zones make sense. Shuffling the clocks back and forth doesn't, except possibly in far north and far south latitudes. "

If it makes sense for a majority, it makes sense for everyone to comply. We have not only railroad timetables, but radio & TV broadcasts and airline schedules. Having a different basic time for Maine than California makes sense because they are 3+ hours apart, but it would NOT make sense for Maine & Florida in the same basic longitude to have different times. The fewer complexities the better.

Think about it... people on the Eastern edge of a time zone already see a significant difference in sunrise/sunset than those on the Western edge. If North/South were added in, it would be crazy.

It is my opinion that the ONLY real effect the change is, is the suddenness of it. If all our clocks & computers, etc. were automatically changed by a few minutes a day as the seasons change, we'd barely notice. Farmers would still do certain tasks according to the light, but the 'time' they did would gradually change.

In Dec./Jan. some kids would be walking to school or waiting for a bus in the dark if we made DST year 'round, and in the Summer, vacation activities would be curtailed unnecessarily if no changes were made. DST does make sense....perhaps more for some than for others, but in a global society, we need a coherent, orderly system.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: gnu
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:44 PM

Yes, Bill D but some disagree just to disagree, so it seems.

Others seem to chime in on such diasagreement without saying they haven't read the thread. BTW, for those posters, it's obvious eh? NNWW.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 10:48 PM

Thank you for the opinions on the question I raised about pay to third shift workers who work when the time changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Gurney
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 02:01 AM

Uncle Dave, I thought that standardisation of time zones was for navigational purposes? Specifically, navigation by the Royal Navy?

I may be wrong, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:44 AM

Sir Stanford Fleming Inventor of worldwide standard time

After missing a train in 1876 in Ireland because its printed schedule listed p.m. instead of a.m., he proposed a single 24-hour clock for the entire world, located at the centre of the Earth and not linked to any surface meridian. At a meeting of the Royal Canadian Institute on February 8, 1879 he linked it to the anti-meridian of Greenwich (now 180°). He suggested that standard time zones could be used locally, but they were subordinate to his single world time, which he called Cosmic Time. He continued to promote his system at major international conferences[4] including the International Meridian Conference of 1884. That conference accepted a different version of Universal Time, but refused to accept his zones, stating that they were a local issue outside its purview. Nevertheless, by 1929 all of the major countries of the world had accepted time zones.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 11:23 AM

Offset time zones
time zone map

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 11:27 AM

The International Space Station uses UTC/GMT.


facts about time

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: gnu
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 04:58 PM

Said it before.... the real time is Stardate -311145.8977042112.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 05:19 PM

right

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: Bert
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:05 PM

saulgoldie, That sums it up precisely.

That would make gnu - ugn.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:17 PM

a rose by any other name