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What should you not do at concerts?

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Subject: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:01 PM

This came up on another thread and rather than detract from that one I think it deserves a thread of it's own

Someone commented that they saw people knitting at a folk concert and others putting in ear plugs. They thought it very rude. I commented that knitting at concert would be no issue at all for me - My daughters take their knitting to the pub with them! There is even a knitting group at a local pub where they also stage live music of all types. I think that folk music and folk crafts, like knitting, sort of go hand in hand. I don't knit myself but I understand the act can, and often is, performed along with other activities. It is quiet, discreet and, as far as I can see, non-disruptive.

As to the ear-plugs. Well, my wife has a condition that results in severe pain in the ears during any loud, particulrly bass-centric, episodes. At the cinema she has to wear ear plugs all the time. At some concerts she either has to move away from the speakers or do the same. I am sure there are other people with similar disabilities.

What do you think? As either artists or fellow audience would you find either activity upsetting? Maybe I should stop taking the family out if they are that offensive! And that is saying nothing of my farts...

What I find to be rude at concerts is anyone spoiling other peoples enjoyment. Be it talking loudly, jumping up and down to take photgraphs or insisting that they have the right to stand on chairs, dance in front of the stage or make those odd whooping noises at the oddest of times! I think they have all been done to death in other threads though.


Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Greg B
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:05 PM

Do not eat hard-boiled eggs, and especially do not eat egg-salad-sandwiches.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:08 PM

Hmmmm - On reflection what you should NOT do has been done to death. Any chance of an elf changing the title to "What CAN you do at a concert?"

Cheers.

D.

Nice one Greg :-) Maybe that would help with the farts too.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:27 PM

A couple of years ago we had a regular group of knitters in coming to sessions I go to. I don't think anyone was put out by that.

As for what I'd do or not do. I don't think I'd do anything that made it look as if I wasn't interested if I was at a performance in a small room or in the front rows of a concert but I guess I might be less likely to worry if I was further back.

It that sort of situation I suppose I might be concerned for example that arm movements while knitting were distracting to the people sat next to me and not knit for that reason but I don't think someone else in the audience getting upset on behalf of the artist because they feel I might not be giving a performance the attention they feel it deserves, etc. would be of concern to me,


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:35 PM

Good point, Jon. To be honest, I don't recall the girls ever actualy knitting at a concert but I suspect they would given a chance! I was told of someone quite famous who knitted through the Sheffield Carol do's. I thought it was very Christmas-y of them:-)

D.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:46 PM

OT but but of curisosity, Dave with you saying "the girls", is knitting becoming more popular with young people? The group we had coming were A level students, most of whom have now gone to universities elsewhere in the country.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bert
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:47 PM

Leave before the end. Unless you are making a statement.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:50 PM

Thay are mid-20's Jon. Started knitting a few years back. Very popular indeed with young folk - The other I mentioned is young too.

D.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 06:55 PM

Anyone with a body mass index of 1.2 or higher should not remove any of his or her clothing.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:12 PM

Don't sit in front of me if you're over five foot nine. If you do sit in front of me, whatever your height, if you're bald just check that I haven't brought a felt-tip pen with me.

Many moons ago I attended a concert in the Albert Hall at which Yehudi Menuhin played the Brahms concerto. From the beginning to the end of the performance, a chap sitting across the aisle from me and slightly in front jangled the bunch of keys in his trouser pocket very loudly. So keep your hands high at all times.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:16 PM

The audience should not eat crisps, they should suck them.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: kendall
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:28 PM

Jacqui crochets all the time where ever she is. She's one of those people who can do two things at once. She takes it to bed and now and again she wakes up and throws out a shawl.
Foot tappers in the audience should be discouraged.Making any kind of noise is a no no.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Ref
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:32 PM

What Kendall said. Anything that impinges on another concert goer's experience is a no-no.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:33 PM

Eat popcorn - it's not the eating but the scrabbling in the box that makes the noise.

And should be obvious, but doesn't seem to be to some:
DON'T TALK WHILE THE MUSIC"S PLAYING!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:38 PM

Jacqui is unique and I thought it was lovely to see her crocheting. In fact Jacqui's Avatar on Facebook is a picture I took when she was in the UK at Gainsborough Folk Club.
Les


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:43 PM

Fart


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:45 PM

Especially if it suddenly goes quite Richard. Can make the guest jealous as you steel the show :-)
Les


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bert
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 08:26 PM

...She takes it to bed and now and again...

Kendall, there is this picture in my mind........


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:02 PM

If the seats are fabric, you can get away with farting as long as you fart vertically down into the seat. That way, people will think you're a bit stale but they won't realise you've farted. This does not apply if you leave your seat for any reason within five minutes of the last fart. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:17 PM

Do not climb the speaker towers.

Do not set off fireworks.

Do not spill beer on the sound desk.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:51 PM

Belch loudly, unless you have a good sense of rhythm.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 10:45 PM

Do not throw up on the audience. From the stage.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 10:53 PM

Snore.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Genie
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:30 AM

1. Never fart or belch out of tune or not in time to the music.

2. Do not - ever - climb onto the stage, pinch the performer's (or performers') cheeks (either kind) and loudly shout "Woooo, dawgies!!"


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:25 AM

So, is the general concensus that knitting and earplugs are OK?

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:43 AM

Knitting and earplugs are good. There's many a concert where I wish I'd taken earplugs, a good book (and sat in a different room).


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:52 AM

"What should you not do at concerts?"

Well, some of the concerts I've been to, I'd say the answer to that is never let on your on enjoying the music.

Do NOT sit there with a sloppy smile on your face, nor sway to the music, NEVER dance to it, for that is a hanging offence...Do not move your face, stare straight ahead and listen for any bum notes, which can be discussed in detail later, when pulling apart said artist/s

NEVER forget your knitting, or indeed, your ear plugs, your magazines, or newspapers and NEVER sit in the back if partaking of these indulgences/obsessions, for one must always sit in the front row, to give the maximum message to the performer, who may have travelled hundreds of miles to sing and share his songs for and with you, that he is really *not* that important at all, and 'just another performer' after all, who's nowhere near as good as you, or your pals.

Never cough quietly, nor sniff softly, nor snort in a whisper.

Never sing along in tune, and indeed, never clap on the beat....

Never get dressed up. NEVER put make up on!!!!   Never wink at the performer, nor smile at male members of the audience. (make of that what you will)

NEVER wear your Show of Hands nightie to the concert, unless covered by a very long and shapeless grey jersey dress, which you knitted during your last Oysterband concert, which you never got to hear because you HAD to put your ear plugs in for that one, and you NEVER got to even see them either, due to the Raucous Ninnies (as you would choose to call them) who had the bloody audacity to not only DANCE, but LEAP up and down, en masse, so carried away were they with happiness and excitement over, what you overheard one of them say was some of the best bloody music in the universe!

NEVER go "Tut Tut!" in a voice that does not fill the room. This also goes for sighing when you are bored beyond endurance.

NEVER forget that to be a member of Cadavers R Us is vitally important at all times, and therefore, ANY display of emotion, or movement, indeed, even the tapping of feet or fingers is VERBOTEN at all times, for you are being watched!!


And NEVER do what a dear ol' lady did once at a superb gig of a Mudcat member, who, during the interval tapped me on the shoulder, from where she was sitting behind me and say "My dear, I just wanted to tell you, I saw you dancing in your seat and....and....it reminded me of when I was young!!"   Then she smiled, such a sad smile....as her elderly husband, who would have been old at 17 I've no doubt trotted to the bar, whilst walking in front of us, in the front row, stopping to *stare* hard at my children for a few moments...in disbelief that they'd obviously allowed children in, in the first place....

I think he could 'smell' them, like Roald Dahl's Witches... ;0)

Anyway, if you keep to the above rules and regulations, you *should* be pretty safe, but....not always, for folk music is a dangerous thing to love and the weirdest things can happen if you dare to 'let go' at a concert...


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:10 AM

Note to organisers

Never attempt to sell the guest a raffle ticket whilst they are in the middle of a song. (happened to me once)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:12 AM

There's many a concert where I wish I'd taken earplugs, a good book (and sat in a different room).

It's the dedication of punters like yourself that's keeping music alive. Remember kids, home knitting is killing music!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:19 AM

Don't have your mobile [ cell ] phone turned on, I went to see Martin Carthy and Dave Swarbrick a few weeks ago and within minutes of them starting to play 2 phones rang in the audience, feckin morons.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:40 AM

Remember kids, home knitting is killing music!

I don't know about killing it that but one of the knitting group we had is a now fairly regular whistle player in the session. I'm not sure about the others and most are away now but I'd be more than happy with gaining one player out of a group of perhaps some weeks up to 10 people.

OK this one did play a little whistle before although not up to session pace with the faster tunes and short on Irish tunes but I might still suggest that gaining one in 10 as a participant is might be better statistically than with groups of people who do pay attention in the approved manner.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:42 AM

Is it a Knitted Whistle?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:48 AM

NEVER forget to take your................with you



Alternatively titled: 'How To REALLY Impress Your Folk Audience!"


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:52 AM

A D whistle or perhaps D whistles. I've a feeling it might be a Susato plastic whistle but I'm not good with makes and easily confused with who plays what - some people seem to have several just in the one key.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:34 AM

I think you probably shouldn't take out an instrument and join the artist on stage. That would be a bad thing to do.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:40 AM

Vin Garbutt always asks his audience not to eat crisps.

I dance in my seat and tap my feet but I try not to spoil other people's enjoyment. Once a band congratulated me on my good sense of rhythm!

Don't wear a hat on your head or a child on your shoulders for longer than a couple of numbers.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 06:19 AM

Mmmmm - I think your depiction of a regular folk concert is a bit misguided if you think that the concerts you describe are the norm, Lizzie. I have never been to one remotely like that but I guess that you must have been through some very bad experiences to make you so bitter. I do apologise if I had any part of making the concerts you go to so miserable.

Anyway, if I can just take you up on a couple of points. There are far too many to address them all and, as I said earlier, I would like this to be a thread on what you can do rather than what you can't.

I get the impression that you approve of dancing at concerts while you disapprove of people wearing earplugs or knitting, May I ask why? As I said earlier I find that knitting is non-disruptive and certainly would not spoil my enjoyment of the gig. Ear plugs are necessary for people with some type of aural disability and are non-invasive to anyone else and completely invisible once in.

Dancing, when invited to do so, is very enjoyable to both do and watch. However, when people dance uninvited, in front of the stage or down the isles the dancers often block peoples view of the people who have paid to see the artist. Is that really fair? What is more, I may not actually want to see someone dancing, particular out of step and rhythm as non-performers often are, yet I am forced to do so by the attitude that their enjoyment is more important than mine. Again, is that fair?

No need for the diatribe again - either sarcastic or otherwise. I know I am prone to sarcasm every now and then but I am trying to give it up so I will forgive you:-) Just let us know how kitting or earplugs spoil your enjoyment and let us know why you feel spoiling other peoples enjoyment by uninvited dancing is OK.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 06:26 AM

I think you probably shouldn't take out an instrument and join the artist on stage.

What about joining the band in a dance if you name doesn't happen to be Bez "Bez" Bez?

:D

PS - Still chasing my lad up to mail you DC - He has been oddly busy!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:10 AM

'They' tried to ban dancing at the Seth Lakeman gig, backalong at Sidmouth..Even Seth rebelled...invited people to get up and dance if the wanted...

Of course, this was due to Elf 'n' Safetee, allegedly, but most folks poopooed it, broke free and DANCED! At the edges of the gig, I should say, so as not to spoil things...

Bitter? I'm not bitter...I wrote a lot of that with a smile on my face, but I do get pissed off on seeing folks put ear plugs in IN FRONT of artists, then get out their knitting or magazine, purely because they ain't interested in that particular part of the concert...and for no other reason..

Do stop trying to paint me as someone who has downer on folks with disabilites, there's a dear. I know it's your new Avenue, but sadly, you're driving up a dead end...

Disability is one thing....out and out rudeness is quite another..If you don't want to listen to someone's music, then quietly leave, in an unobtrusive way, so as not to upset the performer..

And now, back to all the things you must *never* do...


Oh, and everyone who attends Oysterband gigs knows all about the Mosh Pits at the front...I ain't never seen anyone complain, just rows of very very smiley faces, be they standing up or sitting down, or pogostick dancing... :0)

Onward and Upward in your 'Lizzie's a REAL ol' cow, ain't she, folks' campaign, Dave...


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Newport Boy
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:12 AM

@Arthur_itus - Especially if it suddenly goes quite Richard.

Anyone care to offer an interpretation of "quite Richard"?

Phil


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:25 AM

That's fine, Lizzie - Seth invited the dancers. He has every right to as it is his gig. And dancing on the fringes is fine as long as it doesn't spoil anyone else's entertainment. Mosh Pits are good too - I have been in enough of them. But that is not what you was talking about. Is it?

I am not implying in any way shape or form that you have a downer on disabilities either. Just pointing out that putting earplugs in is not always "because they ain't interested in that particular part of the concert...and for no other reason.."

I would also like to know how, in any way shape or form, inserting earplugs or knitting detracts one jot from anyone's enjoyment of the gig. No need to get your knickers in a twist as I am not arguing - Just asking a simple enough question.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:52 AM

Oops dyslexic fingers Phil * quiet Richard :-)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:02 AM

Don't attempt to crowd surf especially in front of teenage or twenty something sons!

1) Someone is bound to fail to catch you.
2) The sons will die of embarrasment.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:08 AM

Is that from experience Patsy :-)

DtG

(Are you a Cornish Patsy by any chance?)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:29 AM

Arthur_itus - I'm disappointed! I was looking forward to dropping that phrase into casual conversation ("I was on top of things this morning, but since lunch it's all gone quite Richard...")


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:38 AM

for folk music is a dangerous thing to love and the weirdest things can happen if you dare to 'let go' at a concert...

So it seems. Although personally, I think I prefer effect of "disinterested in folk knitting" leading to getting up to a session standard on whistle to what the side effects of "genuine love of folk music" appear to be.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:55 AM

I've crocheted at sessions and concerts on two continents and have never had any complaint, from artiste or audience. In fact, at a concert in Scotland, the performer actually commented on the fact that I could crochet and sing along with the chorus at the same time.

I know that there are quite a few needlecrafters who are capable of doing their craft and listening to a performer at the same time. It has been said that knitting and crochet can be as beneficial as Yoga and I do find that working with yarn relaxes me, which means that I can enjoy a performance even more. I agree with Dave - these crafts are fairly closely related to folk music.

When I give a piece of work away it is nice to be able to tell the recipient that it has some music worked into it.

So far as earplugs are concerned I must admit that there have been occasions when I wished that I had some - the level of sound can sometimes be uncomfortable and does do damage to the hearing. Since this does not affect the enjoyment of anyone else and, presumably, an entrance fee has been paid, what does it matter if someone puts in earplugs? If the performer's ego is that fragile then maybe they should not be performing publicly. If they want to know why the earplugs have been used they can ask - that might lead them to maybe checking the volume on their sound system.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:06 AM

What if I love the music but it is too damned loud?. I paid to get in and I got in because I like the performers music. My choices? Leave or use ear plugs.
It will be ear plugs and I don't care if I upset the control freaks.

I have a tee shirt that says on the front, IF IT'S TOO LOUD, and on the back it says, 'IT'S TOO FUCKING LOUD."


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Midchuck
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:27 AM

There should be different rules for classical, folk, "cool" jazz, and other concerts where the sound level is reasonable, and for rock or hip-hop or whatever concerts where the average person's pain threshold is exceeded on a regular basis.

In the former sort, I'd suggest as most important:

1) If you bring children too young to understand the need to be quiet, or with physical, mental, or emotional issues that make it impossible for them, or who simply have never been taught to (that last may include "children" of any age), be prepared to remove them - quickly and quietly - if they start to make noise.

2) Leave your cell phone home. If you can't stand to do that, leave it in your vehicle. If you are a doctor and are on call, or are the President and need to be accessible if there is a nuke launch, put your phone on "vibrate," and sit near the aisle so you can leave quickly and quietly if you need to answer it. A person who uses his or her phone in a concert of the less noisy sort should die a horrible and painful death, then go to hell for all eternity, and all of his/her loathsome spawn for seven generations the same.

There really aren't many rules in the latter sort. Perhaps, "If you kill someone, don't get blood on the people near you."

In Peace and Love, Peter


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:33 AM

Sorry J&K - That is you two banned from any concerts that Lizzie is dancing at :-)

DtG

(Sorry Lizzie - I can't resist the odd jibe for old times sake)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:35 AM

There should be separate concerts for folks who love rules!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:55 AM

Not sure about that - Are you saying that concerts with no rules are acceptable? I understand that it may be a joke but sure as eggs is eggs someone will assume you seriously want a free for all!

D.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:34 AM

I heard that friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=2359059345

I keep hearing about this but am not quite sure i get it (?)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:35 AM

I wish I could find that wonderful clip from Folk Britannia, where Pete Seeger is singing in a UK Folk Club. Pete's up on stage having a whale of a time, singing, smiling, rocking his song along..moving his body too (I know, DREAFUL behaviour) ;0)

But it's his *audience* that mesmerised me. I'm sure they were dead, honest! They were sat there stock still to the last one. Eyes forward, minds concentrating on the song, hands in laps, backs straight...Why, for the world of me it looked more like a Lecture on Quantam Physics to me, than a Pete Seeger gig...

Mind you, not a *soul* was knitting, so that was something, I suppose... ;0)

When did folk music get so darn SERIOUS???????????????


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:42 AM

Off the top of my head I think it was a BBC studio made to look like a folk club (or more like a mini - concert) It was probably recorded some forty years ago too.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Young Buchan
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:14 PM

DON'T try to sell the Warcry to the audience in the middle of a song.
(Yes. In Bristol - that's where.)

Knitting is generally ok, but can be a bit worrying if the knitters bring a large open basket and a portable guillotine.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:30 PM

I know the clip that Lizzie means. They were singing "Pharoah's army got drownded" (Is it called "Mary don't you weep"? - that may help you find it, Lizzie) and no-one moved or even smiled. I just assumed that's how folk clubs were in the 1950s!

I've gone deaf in one ear and am really worried about damaging the other one so have to put my finger in my ear now. I think that's probably worse than earplugs and I feel very awkward about doing it. But it's either that or never see the Saw Doctors again.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: kendall
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:43 PM

Pete Seeger could mesmerize the Road Runner.

Definition of manners:
The art of making others comfortable.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:48 PM

Biggest No-No.
Doing Video/Audio recordings without permission of the artist/s concerned. And then sticking them up on line.(Anybody culprits spring to mind?)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:24 PM

Very poor example, Lizzie - Look at some old TOTP repeats - Especially the B&W ones - They look like all the dancers had brushes up their arses and a 'hey, seriously heavy' look (man) :-)

Find us something from this millennium of miserable people in a concert. Have a look at the Folk Proms maybe?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:43 PM

I'll also repeat my question in case you didn't spot it before -

"I would also like to know how, in any way shape or form, inserting earplugs or knitting detracts one jot from anyone's enjoyment of the gig. No need to get your knickers in a twist as I am not arguing - Just asking a simple enough question. "

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 01:46 PM

Oh - and sorry again - I didn't answer your question

When did folk music get so darn SERIOUS???????????????

In the 1950s. When that clip was recorded. It's very different now but I think you propbably know that already. Yes?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:10 PM

That's fine, Lizzie - Seth invited the dancers. He has every right to as it is his gig.

<pedant>Actually its the promoter's gig

Was the venue licensed for dancing? Its not just singing that gets stuffed by our licensing regulations.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:22 PM

True, Peter. I think that either way though was that it was not someone in the 'Folk Gestapo' that wanted to stop it as some would have us believe;-) Thanks for the correction anyway.

D.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 02:27 PM

That was English. Very nearly...

:D


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:15 PM

Would the occasional shakey egg be acceptable?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bainbo
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:44 PM

Don & Genie - if you are farting in time to the music, make sure first that everyone else can hear the music as well; that you're not just listening to your iPod. You can get some funny looks that way.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:29 PM

NO.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:37 PM

What if - he asked seriously - if the ear plugs were really hearing aids? As one who is hearing impaired, and growing worse I fear, my hearing aids look like ear plugs if one does not look closely.

Neither would bother me in response to the original question -


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:38 AM

All these things appear to bother folks at concerts - and yet it seems to bother nobody that beer is often allowed in a concert venue, which I find disgusting.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: janemick
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 03:33 AM

A bloke brought along a bongo-type drum to a concert we were playing last week. I didn't notice him during our set (thank goodness - we sing 4-part acapella) but he joined in with the set following us and irritated much of the audience.

This seems to me like the ultimate no-no. Just about acceptable at a session, but not at a concert.

Here in Brittany people always get up to dance during concerts if there is a suitable tune or song. I think the performers would be offended if people DIDN'T dance.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 05:41 AM

"Here in Brittany people always get up to dance during concerts if there is a suitable tune or song. I think the performers would be offended if people DIDN'T dance."

It's the same in South America - you know that huge lump that isn't the USA. At a Mercedes Sosa concert at the Festival Hall in 1999, the stewards and stewardesses went crazy when the largely Argentine audience jumped up and started dancing at the front!!!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 05:48 AM

As someone who was acting as an usher at a Bert Jansch concert a few years ago where he kept cranking the level of his instrument up himself, forcing the sound techie in the box to follow suit with everything else, I and quite a few of the audience could have done with earplugs.I could feel the vibrations through the floor via my feet (and everything else) sitting at the back, and even with attempts to block both ears with fingers it was still fearsomely loud (and not much fun with the tinnitus I suffer from either). So nothing wrong with earplugs. (After all a fair few musicians at our venue during the week wear them while performing - and I do mean earplugs and not in-ears).

As to dancing in the aisles, that is generally a Health and Safety no -no,and normally subject to the rules of the venue, not the Folk Police. (For instance the forthcoming Belloowhead in the spanking new arts venue 1000+ seater in Guildford will be a seated only gig, and I have no doubt that will probably be down to a mix of need for specific number of bums on seats and the Health and Safety regs.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: PHJim
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 12:00 PM

Dancing is fine, but not in front of the stage. The Shelter Valley Folk Festival has places at the side of the audience where folks who want to dance can go and it works fine. Some dancers, however, don't like having to go where people can't see them. They want to be part of the show.
I don't see this much at folk shows, but I hate it when people stand for a show. I paid for a seat to see Paul McCartney and ended up having to look at some woman's butt for the whole show...and it was not a particularly attractive butt.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 01:50 PM

OK - I'm happy. Apart from one person there does not seem to be an issue with knotting - Should the girls ever decide to take theirs to the folk club with them I don't thing anyone would bam them.

Ear-plugs are fine. I never understood why not anyway.

Dancing is good at the appropriate time and in the approprite places.

Making any sort of adverse noises, uninvited by the act and disruptive to the audience, is a no-no. Which I always thought.

Sounds like we get it right most of the time :-)

Thanks everyone - and I do mean everyone - for the serious and not so serious replies.

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:05 PM

Oh my heavens, now you're all starting 'knotting' as well as knitting! Is this what you do at Shanty Sessions?




>>>>"Oh - and sorry again - I didn't answer your question

When did folk music get so darn SERIOUS???????????????

In the 1950s. When that clip was recorded. It's very different now but I think you propbably know that already. Yes?

:D tG"<<<<<<

No. I spoke about a folk club I went to backalong to see a particular singer, where almost the exact same audience was sat, eyes front, backs rigid...The one where the dear ol' lady tapped me on the shoulder and said how me dancing in my seat reminded her of when she was young. Remember? She said it so wistfully, and when I saw her VERY serious husband, the one who scowled at my children, stared at them, coming close up to do so, just to check they WERE children, I could understand the sorrow in her eyes...for now she was doomed to be a 'serious folkie' forevermore..

Of course, had she attended an Oysterband gig with me, she'd have been up there in the Mosh Pit with Joolzy and the Gang, some of the BEST dancing fans in the land, Those Gorgeous Oysters have! And...her eyes would have got their Sparkle back too...


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:11 PM

Sit next to Spaw after a Mexican before concert dinner


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:51 PM

Holler out requests between songs. I once said, "Sure you can up and sing it but the audience came to see me and I don't get paid if I don't perform." And worse... depending on the time of night.

Sorry if that was mentioned before... my memory ain't what it should have been.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:39 PM

Sorry Lizzie - Have you taken to poking fun at people who cannoy typw now as well? Sorry, but I don;t find that partiulalrly funny.

And yopu did NOT speak about a folk ckub, the pst wa about a Pete Seeger concert on a BBC documentry. I took your quote directly and did not post ot out if context or try to distort anythiojng. If you did post something earlier you did not refr to it in the post I mentioned,

Anyroads - As I said. I am quite happy so I ma not hoing to argue. People in ghenerla are quite appy wit h knitting and earplugs. You are in a minority. Yough shit.

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:48 PM

OK - And now a more coherent post. I left the last one as it was purposely, because that is the way I type. It takes a long time and a lot of concentration to get it right. I usually cut and paste from MS Word or Open Office to get my posts into some semblance of order. If people chose to take the piss because the odd mistake gets though then that is their prerogative and I accept that, for them, it is good to score points.

Now, are we agreed that knItting and ear plugs are acceptable or do we carry on pointless arguments?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ian Gill
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:55 PM

Simple really. What to do is to be polite, if you really don't like it leave discreetly. Hopefully the performer/s are trying their best - so should you.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 05:33 PM

I'm struggling with the concept that earplugs are offensive...? To whom?
When I'm gigging with a PA, I always use In-Ear monitors...(sort of posh ear plugs) Don't think anybody noticed!
As For Knitting. I once saw Ivor Cutler at a gig with his partner Phyllis April King (another poet) who spent most of the evening knitting on stage whilst Ivor did his stuff. Didn't seem to bother Ivor.
As I said earlier...It's bootlegging artists performances that really pisses me off. To quote the late, lamented Mr Cutler..."Are you recording me?...................................DON'T)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 07:45 PM

I was once at the Symphony when Tony Trishka was a guest soloist. The woman in front of me was determined to impress her date with how much she was LOVING IT, and she bounced her head up and down and back and forth. Trouble is, she was moving one way at one speed, and the performers were moving quite differently. In time she actually made me feel sick to my stomach with motion sickness.

Same thing recently at a concert of stride piano. Fortunately, I could get up and sit elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 02:52 AM

I suggest that you see a specialist for your condition Ralphie.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 02:57 AM

And I shouldn't think you need to worry about anyone recording your gigs!!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 03:22 AM

Is there any basis for the above two remarks by Bozo, or are they just offensive for the sake of it?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 03:28 AM

I alluded to that earlier, leeneia - People do quite often dance (or just jig along) out of time to the music. It is quite disconcerting (pun intended :-) ) It's even worse when they stamp their feet of clap hands out of time too. I have heard Reggae versions of many jugs and reels!

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 03:31 AM

Is there any basis for any of Bridge's comments?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 04:01 AM

Threads are lke concerts. People leap around out of time and make all sorts of inappropriate noises. At least most are in tune but one or two sound like they are farting. It is probably a form of Tourettes Syndrome!

:D tG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 04:27 AM

Absolutely!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 04:49 AM

There are many ways of responding to music - what is appropriate depends on many factors, including the genre, style of music, nature of the event and venue, and cultural norms. Moving to musio or even dancing may be the most appropriate response in some circumstances, but in others it can show a mindless inability to appreciate what the music is really trying to convey.

Just because people are sitting still and concentrating does not mean they are not appreciating or enjoying the music.

As for earplugs, the Musicians Union and RNID have both been campaigning for a long time to encourage both musicians and audiences to wear earplugs. Loud music can damage the hearing very easily, but takes years to make itself evident. Wearing earplugs should be encouraged - why and to whom is it offensive?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 05:59 AM

Richard. Bonzo is a serious bootlegger. Not sure why, He seems to be rich enough to pay for records. (Or at least have the good grace to ask permission from the artists first)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 07:10 AM

is there any basis for Ralphie's gramaphone record that seems to be stuck?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 07:11 AM

why and to whom is it offensive?

Exactly the question I have been asking, Howard. Not had an answer yet.

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 07:46 AM

It is not offensive to me if people knit, crochet, do origami ( provided they don't throw paper planes at the stage) or wear earplugs at my gigs. Just don't rustle the newspaper too much.
Crisps are OK provided it is a Joseph Taylor song that I am singing. It all adds to the authentic atmosphere.
I have suffered enough with loud DJs who blast forth at full whack while we are packing up our PA from a ceilidh gig, so I always carry earplugs now and have a great deal of sympathy for folks who don't want to go prematurely deaf. Artists are at the mercy of the sound-man when it comes to volume at gigs - on stage we don't get to hear just how loud it is in the auditorium, so can't always ask to turn down the sound a few notches.
As for dancing in the aisles, I always remember a fabulous gig we did at the Gower festival where a large contingent of dancers got up and danced to all our tune sets. It's what the tunes were composed for , so it seemed quite appropriate for itchy feet to do the obvious thing. No-one complained and I was delighted.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 07:50 AM

provided they don't throw paper planes at the stage

Funny you should say that Mary. I was talking to Phil Brown a couple of weeks back - Amongst his many talents he used to 'front' a brass band called 'Loose Chippings'. Remember them? Anyway - They used to do a Battle of Britain medley and you just could not believe the amount of paper based air traffic it created at Fylde one year. Mainly Festival leaflets - Poor old Alan Bell was stood weeping in the corner - But the band loved it :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 07:51 AM

It's only a very small number of people posting here making these disapproving comments, a very insignificant number indeed. The rest of us enjoy ourselves as we see fit.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 10:40 AM

It is typical of bullies to do something bad to another person, then criticize the person for being "a complainer."


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 10:55 AM

Very true.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 02:13 PM

100.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Regular concert go-er
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 04:25 AM

I've just found this thread and it's very interesting, but I see that someone made a post laughing at someone else's spelling mistake. Has it occurred to Lizzie Cornish 1 that the poster may be dyslexic? It must be very hard to be brave enough to post under those circumstances and then have your post laughed at. Perhaps next time Lizzie Cornish 1 might think of that before sneering at someone else.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bert
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 08:47 AM

I don't think that Lizzie was getting at a spelling error, which was more likely to have been caused by 'fat fingering' and not dislexia.

I'm guessing that she was noticing a very amusing error, considering that knotting can also mean screwing. Ya can't let that one go without comment.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 11:30 AM

You are right, Bert - I am not dyslexic but a genuine crap typist. I realy do have to work hard to make sure it is right! I am also quite sure that Lizzies comment was meant to be amusing and my reply was equaly tongue in cheek - Although the first pass was genenuinely as I typed it with no thought or preef rooding and I do hope that it made people realise that things (like wearing earplugs) are not always as they seem :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 11:33 AM

Oh - I have never heard 'screwing' refered to as knotting. Maybe a US/UK or regional thing? I think, and I could be wrong here, that Lizzie was refering to knottiing ropes (ref: knotting at shanty session)

Just out of interest.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 05:43 PM

Enjoy yourself.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: paula t
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 07:00 PM

I think ear plugs are fine. I wouldn't take offence if someone was wearing them through our set, unless the wearing was preceeded by, "Oh no! Where are my ear plugs!"as we walked out on stage!

However I might have been offended by a lady we saw at a Mc'Fly concert a few years ago. She had improvised by stuffing extremely long wads of toilet paper into her ears and had obviously forgotten as she walked into the bar, shouting very loudly to her red faced young daughter.She had been on the front row and MUST have been noticed by the band, as the "earplugs were hanging down like very long ears!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 08:56 PM

You probably shouldn't make love; at least not unless you're in the back row, and you try not to make too much noise.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 07:51 AM

I feel that the volume is usually too high at concerts and that earplugs are a sensible defence against ear damage. Properly designed ones will protect you ears but still allow you to enjoy the music.

However I have little sympathy with someone who sits in front of the speakers and then complains it's too loud. I witnessed this at a festival this summer someone who had been sitting right at the at the front then complained about the sound being too loud.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:27 AM

As a Sound engineer for many a decade, If I get a 50/50 split of opinion between people at the front complaining that "It's too loud" and people at the back complaining "It's too quiet" I've probably got it about right.
Unless one brings another van with extra amps/speakers/additional cabling/delay lines etc. It's not an easy option to satisfy everyone. And believe me there are some people who will never be satisfied!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bert
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 10:16 AM

DtG, the saying is "Get knotted" or "get dog knotted" which somewhat indicates its origin.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 10:20 AM

If you are a member of the audience: don't be so drunk you can't remember any of it, you'll have wasted your ticket money.

If you're a performer: you can be as drunk as you like since you aren't being paid to remember what you did. (At least, that seems to be the principle some performers I've heard operate by).


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 10:49 AM

DtG, the saying is "Get knotted" or "get dog knotted" which somewhat indicates its origin.

Sorry, Bert. I have never even heard the phrase 'dog knotted' before. And around these parts (Lancashire) , certainly since my Mothers childhood days (1930s), 'Get Knotted' has never had any usage but as a mild rebuke. No-one I know has ever given it any sexual connotation. Not saying it never had but common local usage has removed any such intimation over the years.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:23 PM

Lizzie is the last person who would mock someone's dyslexia.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 10:27 AM

It's much easier to say what one SHOULD do at a concert, rather than SHOULD NOT. Listen silently, hold still, and let everyone enjoy the sound of the music.

Clapping along (if any) should occur toward the end of the show, when energy has built up, especially if the band has inivited it.

If you want to dance, go behind the audience and do it safely.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 12:21 PM

What leeneia said!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: JHW
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 05:18 PM

The Wild Rover


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 06:01 PM

Thanks, Chris.

JHW: What does the Wild Rover have to do with this?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:01 AM

I've never understood audiences that clap along to a song/tune...No problem with that. But why do they clap in a different time signature...All of them?!
It's as if they are in a different dimension..."You're playing in 4/4..We'll clap in 9/8...at a different tempo!"
Just strange to me.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:46 AM

Not sure I've noticed 9/8 clapping anywhere.

Anyway, I don't think it's usually too bad with tunes except when they try to make things go faster and faster.

I think songs can be harder. In the past, I've had people clapping along to the Sick Note. For me, the song only works if I can time it as the audience responds and you can't for example take a longer pause if the rhythm is being forced along by clapping.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 06:27 AM

Jon. Maybe all audience members are closet Shakey Egg players...Now that's scarey!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 08:53 AM

Go to watch a Brass Band sucking a Lemon .......... I'd love to try it though!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 09:30 AM

That or closet bodhran players, Ralphie...

Just hope they don't discover an ocean drum - like a double sided bodhran filled with ball bearings.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 05:14 AM

I think it's OK to enjoy yourself as you like - but it's not OK if you're disturbing or upsetting other people and spoiling their enjoyment. Different people have different ways of enjoying a concert.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 10:13 AM

You should not drink so much that you need to disturb members of the audience to go to the lavatory during the performance - bladder ailment sufferers excused of course!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 11:39 AM

I have no objection to knitting (or even knotting!) There are two ladies who knit regularly at our local folk club: I have pulled their legs about looking a bit like Madame Desfarges at the guillotine, but so far no performers' heads have rolled!

And there's "The Big Knit" every year at Dougie Maclean's "Perthshire Amber" Festival: the knitting is done in aid of the charity, Shelter, so who could object to that?
See: http://www.perthshireamber.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=124&Itemid=240


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 03:29 PM

Thanks Tattie - Much appreciated support for knitters, or knotters, or knickers or whatever it is :-)

Leeneia -

It's much easier to say what one SHOULD do at a concert, rather than SHOULD NOT. Listen silently, hold still, and let everyone enjoy the sound of the music.

I did ask - Honest - see the third post in the thread.

DtG

Anyone got a bad word about ear plugs yet?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 04:08 PM

"Listen silently, hold still, and let everyone enjoy the sound of the music."

Not possible when the seats are as uncomfortable as those at Tunbridge Assembly Room Theatre!


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 08:23 PM

Aha, another one, after the concert I've just been to tonight., i.e. if you are MC, do your homework! Check how people say their names before you go on stage and make an 'erse' o' it!
I have never heard so many mis-pronunciations of names all in one night in my life: the same band named 3 different ways, Natalie Haas became HAYS, and many of the generous sponsors were also mis-represented by an over-bubbly (new to the job?) MC - who just happens to have a rather unusual name herself! Perhaps she was getting back at all those people who have mis-proounced her name?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: JHW
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 06:15 PM

leeneia Not everyone is being serious here and I'm often not. Its a throwaway?
I wouldn't do The Wild Rover at a concert


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:33 PM

Knittings okay if you are not bumping anybody. The way I do it, the people next to me would get haeartily sick, I'm sure, of feeling the motion as I wrap the yarn around the needle.

If you're gonna knit, sit my yourself. And don't drop a needle so it rolls with a gentle clang over a hard floor.

Be silent, hold still...usually.

JHW have you ever heard the version of Wild Rover done by the House Band? I consider it moving and thought-provoking.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 12:01 PM

I think you meant 'sit BY yourself.'

They make bamboo knitting needles now, marketed specifically as silent when dropped, even on concrete.


;)


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:39 PM

Things you should do at a concert..
Take ear plugs ..just in case.
Take a long stick ..
This is for prodding the twat who is dancing standing etc in front of you
also for de hatting the twat who is dancing etc.
Take a crossbow
in case the twat in a hat is too far away for casual stick deployment.
If the act is of the sort that encourages annoying dancing make the best of it and next time choose the concets you attend with greater care.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 02:40 AM

Things you should do at a concert..
Make sure that your knitting needles are sharp in case you need to defend yourself against those trying to de-hat you with a long stick.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 03:16 AM

:D


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 09:17 AM

:) Why young Doug !
You are allowed to dance if you are on stage performing...
Another thing you should do at concerts is take a cushion ..those village hall chairs are terrible ..Unless you have a fat arse.
How many here find the seats in village halls comfortable?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 10:56 AM

Another thing you should do at concerts is take a cushion

Yes, my wife always does.

What I also find annoying is having booked front row of stacked seats, just before the concert starts there is suddenly a row of wheel chairs stuck right in front of you, without so much as a "would you mind". Fortunately the one in front of us when asked very kindly moved forward 12 inches or so.

This happened at Tunbridge Wells Assembly Room.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

I expect those in the wheelchairs don't like it much either.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 01:06 PM

That has nothing to do with it. The theatre should have made it clear on their website where wheelchairs are positioned, and it did not.


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 01:11 PM

Another thing you should do at concerts is take a cushion

Yes, my wife always does.

What I also find annoying is having booked front row of stacked seats, just before the concert starts there is suddenly a row of wheel chairs stuck right in front of you, without so much as a "would you mind". Fortunately the one in front of us when asked very kindly moved forward 12 inches or so.

This happened at Tunbridge Wells Assembly Room.
    very nearly disgusted of Tunbridge Wells,clearly in Tunbridge Wells, they still have respect for the upper classes,and recognise Bonzos blue blood and aristocratic demeanour, there is hope for civilisation


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 01:41 PM

What???????


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:04 AM

I went to see Bellowhead at Derby last Saturday. Ear plugs were being sold at the venue!!!!!!! 50p a pair. My husband and I shared a pair!

However, our pleasure was spoilt by the people just in front of us who talked all the way through the concert. It wasn't the talking that upset me - it was the fact that the music was so loud that they had to put their heads together to talk while the music was playing. And I was trying to watch the band in between their heads. Why do people go to a concert and then talk to each other all the way through?


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Subject: RE: What should you not do at concerts?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:39 AM

I look forward to seeing the Mellstock Band next month. They never use a PA and so will be as loud as they blow their instruments, so consequently folks in the audience keep quiet!


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