BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?

Subject: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:10 AM

I'm sure there was a thread here about the Internet Regulation bill currently in Congress, and I'm almost sure I remember Max posting on it - maybe even starting it.

I remember someone else posting about the absence (or presence) of due process, and another about constitutionality and free speech.

But I can't find it.

I think it's a worthwhile topic.

FWIW the problem is that what we have on the internet does not work. Absolutist states restrict access to genuine political opinion that they do not like. Sly ones like the UK put systems in place ("Cleanfeed") ostensibly to prevent kiddieporn but which could be used to suppress political dissent.

Content makers complain (and often justifiably - I've been both sides of this debate) that stuff they own that should be generating them income (Google "fractals") is being posted, free, on a large scale on video sites which do nothing and have obstructive takedown policies.

People outside the USA defamed and threatened have a huge battle to get US based providers (the hosts of most fascist sites, incidentally) to disclose who is posting stuff so tha thtere can be due process.

Giant corporations like MacDonalds can pursue alleged libel with armies of lawyers world wide - but few others.

And recordings of historical and cultural merit - my interest is in music - are suppressed by giant capitalist music enterprises.

Something is wrong.

But is the current bill the way to fix it?

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:18 AM

Can you provide a link to an article about this bill.

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The only issue I seem to remember a recent thread on was about net neutrality.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:18 AM

Max posted that on Facebook, but I didn't see it here.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:33 AM

THIS is what Max posted about at FB.

I think the other thread you may be thinking of is the one about NEt Neutrality.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:36 AM

That's the bill. I'm so (fairly) sure I saw something here. Anyway, now we're started, let's be well informed and rational about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

Actual Bill Text

Comment from the fairly right-wing (by UK standards) Daily Telegraph

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: BTNG
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:57 AM

The Internet: The Canadian View

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: GUEST,Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:58 AM

Seems that we have two Jon's in this thread. I'm off to a session in Norwich soon and doubt if I'll be posting to this topic until tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 12:31 PM

I could not be having with that Canadian video - The sound was hard to hear, the speakers seemed to drone on without saying anything and it would be so much faster to read it than to listen to it at human speech speed.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: BTNG
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 12:42 PM

I agree Richard, they do ramble...

the following might be useful

Casting An Open Net

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:06 PM

Thank you BTNG. None of that (see I read fast) covers content control or jurisdictional issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 01:30 AM

I do hope the UK government introduce this. Excellent idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 06:32 AM

Try to keep up, White Man. Check how stuff gets onto the "Cleanfeed" proscribed list in the UK. Check the recent cases against BT internet. Doh!

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: GUEST,freds
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 09:32 AM

It is very pleasant to know that we have been missed. Perhaps the DNA of those in that quaint island you call "Great Britain" shall be more palatable that that of those in North America.

We'll see you soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: BTNG
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 10:17 AM

Bluesman as I've stated before has no real political view, he delights in being contrary, and telling outright lies

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 03:25 AM

I note that Max is contributing to this debate on his facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/MaxSpiegel

with a YouTube Clip. For some reason I can't dig a direct link out of YouTube. I hope it's not regulatory sabotage.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 04:41 PM

If you go to the Stop Censorship thread, you will lso find Max there.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Arkie
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 05:44 PM

Nowhere as informed as I should be or would like to be in this area but there have been several articles that raise concerns over internet regulation. One pointed out, as I understood it, that the US is way behind quite a few countries in network speed and efficiency due in part to regulation that puts all control in the hands of the few giant corporations and inhibits entrepreneurs who exist in other countries who are developing the advanced technology. The other concern stems from an email received today that I have not verified but claims that several companies around the world are developing technology that will allow Syria, and supposedly any other country, to pinpoint dissident net users.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 05:53 PM

It seems that most western countries have some sort of regulartory legislation either in place or being debated at the federal government level.
Digital Copyright Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 06:46 PM

as long as your dna is tasty we don't care if you mispell phreds.

Subject: RE: BS: Internet regulation - missing fred?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 06:29 AM

No, that was not the thread, fred.

Most of the relevant discussion on the current Bill now seems to be on