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Will Fly 27 Dec 11 - 02:29 PM
Geoff the Duck 27 Dec 11 - 02:48 PM
Ross Campbell 27 Dec 11 - 02:57 PM
Will Fly 27 Dec 11 - 03:03 PM
Susan of DT 27 Dec 11 - 03:26 PM
Paul Burke 27 Dec 11 - 03:42 PM
Newport Boy 27 Dec 11 - 04:08 PM
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Subject: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:29 PM

I'm thinking of investing in a colour laser printer in the new year. So far, the Brother MFC 9320CW Multifunction Printer looks good. Some good reviews and it can be used (by Macs) over a wi-fi network, which I need.

Prices for cartridges are not low, but you get lots of sheets for the money. However... I notice that print drums are included in the consumables, as well as ink cartridges. Is the print drum something which the cartridge sits in, and which will have to be replaced at some time? I see that drums are supposed to last for around 15,000 pages each, so I'm assuming that both drums and ink cartridges are an ongoing expense for these printers?

(I'll still keep my inkjet for CD/DVD labels but, to be honest, that's its only use.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:48 PM

The drum is the part that puts the picture onto the paper. Toner is transferred to drum, then the paper goes round the drum which heats the toner to fuse it to the paper.
A drum should last a long while, but if damaged or scratched will not produced good prints.

When you buy a new laser printer, often the toner is in undersized "starter" cartridges, so you have to buy replacements sooner than with a full standard cartridge.

Laser printer toner cartridges are expensive to buy, but last considerably longer than inkjet ink cartridges.

Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:57 PM

I've been using mono laser printers at home for years (after having used them at work before that) and got a colour laser when the prices dropped to just over £200 a few years back. I still haven't had to replace a drum on any of the mono lasers - 15,000 pages equates to thirty x 500 page reams - that's about a five-foot high stack of paper. I'm only using the colour laser occasionally - prints are OK, but not as bright/sharp as you would get on a photo-quality inkjet. Toner cartridge changes - were about £45-£50 for the mono printers, possibly £60 per colour for the colour laser - but I found bottled toner powder could be obtained to refill the cartridges much more cheaply. Potentially messy, but worth the effort. Some manufacturer's cartridges are designed so that the refill option is not possible. You may be able to find internet sites that will tell you whether it might work for your particular machine. I found illustrated how-to diagrams for mine.

I haven't tried connecting my Mac wirelessly to my printers (USB/Ethernet links so far) but they could be linked directly to my router, or via an Airport Extreme base unit if I needed that.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:03 PM

Two reasons why I'm fed up with my inkjet printer (apart from its ability to print CD/DVD labels): (1) the ink cartridges empty incredibly quickly (2) black lines on the colour prints.

I can understand (1), but (2) is a mystery.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Susan of DT
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:26 PM

I just got a Samsung color laser all-in-one printer for $89 - Dick had been raving about color laser printers. It seems good so far, but I only set it up a week ago.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:42 PM

I've had good experiences with http://www.refilltoner.com/ (in Birmingham). B/W only though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Newport Boy
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:08 PM

I've been using TonerTopUp refill toner in my Konica-Minolta colour laser for a good while. They do toner for the Brother printers. They also supplied a new fuse for the print drum when the counter disabled it and I'm now on my second 20,000 sheets. I get about 4,000 sheets from a refill.

I have two annual print runs of over 1000 copies, one of them double-sided, and inkjets just don't do that. Also, I've not had a smeared laser print yet - my inkjet prints have to be handled carefully, and are no use outdoors.

Colour prints are not quite photo quality, but are much improved using laser semi-gloss paper. The quality is excellent for graphics generally, and the other big benefit is speed.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:14 PM

I still haven't had to replace a drum on any of the mono lasers ?????

Most mono laser printers have a new drum inside every toner cartridge, so you've actually replaced the drum every time you replace a toner cartridge. There are exceptions, but not that I've noticed in brands common in my area.

Several inkjet printers now are capable of per-page costs equal to, or less than, laser printers; and above the "sell-'em-and forget 'em" grades, you can get inkjet printers with much larger ink capacity, usually for about the same price as for the smaller cartridges. Some allow you to use at least two different sizes (ink capacities) in the same printer. The ones that are stingy with the ink generally are intended for "business use" and probably don't do quite as well on photo color fidelity as some of the more profligate "photo" printers, but whether that's a concern depends on your intended use.

The "business color inkjet" printers produce color quality close to laser color printers that I've seen; but printer makers/sellers don't often advertise the details - only the adjectives - and I haven't made my own direct comparisons recently. Expect to approach or exceed about $300 (US) for one of the "business grade" inkjet printers that offers verifiably more economical per-sheet performance.

Cheaper inkjets have the "print heads" built into the ink cartridges, but the more economical (in per-print cost) ones often have separate print heads that may have to be replaced occasionally. As a rule, a full set of heads will cost about the same as a full set of ink cartridges, but will last through "many" sets of ink refills; but that may vary as well. It might also be notable that the recyclers/refillers distinguish between "ink cartridges" with the built-in print heads and "ink magazines" without, and won't generally take the magazines for refilling. You probably could do your own refills of magazines, the same as for cartridges, but I can't verify that.

Lines in the prints are usually an indication of misalignment between the color heads, which in most cases menas the ink cartriges don't line up with each other. Most printers have an "alignment" utility to adjust the lead/lag matchup, that either came with the printer or can be downloaded; but success with getting rid of the lines is "variable" once the carriage has accumulated a lot of mileage.

As Newport Boy mentions in his post that collided with mine and made me do this over, no inkjet print is really fit for use outdoors, for posting or for handouts in damp weather, unless you do them on the dollar-per-sheet "weatherproof" paper. For outdoor postings you do need laser prints (or varnish).

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:59 PM

I have, for our home office rig, a b/w laser [our primary], an HP color laser and a very good inkjet. The reason we have both types of laser is that, even when printing b/w, our HP 1600 uses/wastes all the colors as well as the black toner. When I complained to HP about this their response was, "they are all designed that way." That runs the cost of the printing up significantly, especially as the cartridges are about $340 per set, last I looked.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:46 PM

JiK - as I posted, I have been successfully refilling the cartridges on both my Samsung laser printers although they may not have been designed with this in mind (all the IBM/Lexmark laser printers I came across at work fifteen years back were made to be refilled - an almost daily process with shared use across a large IT team). Haven't had to try this yet with the colour laser (KonicaMinolta) because I just don't use it much.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: Acme
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 12:39 AM

The companies that sell dirt-cheap ink jet printers are not in the business of selling printers, they're in the business of selling INK. So they put those chips on the cartridges making it difficult to refill them and still get them to work. I use PrintCountry.com and get some pretty good prices on generic cartridges with chips. When my son went to college I told him I was out of the ink just business and bought him an inexpensive laser printer, wireless, it'll do the job that needs doing.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Colour laser printers drums/cartridges
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 12 - 03:25 AM

Drums are made to last longer than cartridges and toners. Basically they increase the print yield.

I am in Australia, I had very god experience with inkman (inkman.com.au). Their Printer Cartridges are not only cheap but are of very good quality. I bought my printer cartridge from:

http://inkman.com.au/page.asp?id=products

save tonnes of money every year and the quality of prints is great.


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