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Texas swing for mandolin

Hokumsheik 29 Dec 11 - 12:18 PM
GUEST,leeneia 29 Dec 11 - 12:24 PM
Hokumsheik 29 Dec 11 - 12:34 PM
pdq 29 Dec 11 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,FloraG 30 Dec 11 - 03:56 AM
GUEST,Hokumsheik 30 Dec 11 - 08:16 AM
GUEST,leeneia 30 Dec 11 - 11:02 AM
Leadfingers 30 Dec 11 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,FloraG 30 Dec 11 - 01:47 PM
GUEST,leeneia 30 Dec 11 - 04:10 PM
GUEST,FloraG 30 Dec 11 - 05:48 PM
Hokumsheik 31 Dec 11 - 09:01 AM
Hokumsheik 31 Dec 11 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,John Foxen 31 Dec 11 - 10:04 AM
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Hokumsheik 03 Jan 12 - 08:41 AM
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Subject: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 29 Dec 11 - 12:18 PM

Recently came across some Pete Martin arrangements for "solo" mandolin.
http://www.mandolincafe.com/petemartin.html
Melody chords over moving bass line
Wonderful stuff
Does anyone know of any others?


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Dec 11 - 12:24 PM

The Fiddler's Fake Book has swing pieces with chords. No tab.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 29 Dec 11 - 12:34 PM

Thanks for the suggestion but I'm looking more for arrangements for 1 instrument accompanying itself, in this case the mandolin


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: pdq
Date: 29 Dec 11 - 12:55 PM

Kenneth "Jethro" Burns (yes, of the comedy act of Homer and Jethro) was essentially a Swing musician and the greatest exponent of the mandolin ever known.

Lotsa stuff by "Jethro" on David Grisman's record label Acoustic Disc.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 03:56 AM

I dont want lots - just recommend a ' must do ' piece.
At the moment I tend to use my mando for rags and a few classical bits - so a swing tune with chords would be good for my lovely gentle underused mando.
Thanks
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,Hokumsheik
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 08:16 AM

Hi FloraG
I think that we're looking for more or less the same repertoire.
So far I've collected from Peter Martin ;
www.petimarpress.com
Texas Style D progression
Little Rock Getaway Chord Voicing
& Ragtime Annie
From Mandolin Magazine :
http://www.mandolinmagazine.com/workshops/
Burns arrangement of Just A closer Walk with Thee
I've also started checking out 4sting banjo sites
The Hunt Is On !!!


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 11:02 AM

"a swing tune with chords would be good for my lovely gentle underused mando."

Look at 'The Fiddler's Fake Book." (Try your library.) It has tunes and chords. There aren't a whole lot of swing tunes, so I wouldn't recommend buying it just for them.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 01:21 PM

Not 'Tab' and not solo , but some excellent Western Swing from this lot


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 01:47 PM

I play ragtime annie on the fiddle - great tune but not very well known at the sessions I go to. I like to do tunes others can join in with. Do you do it in 3 parts?

I've got the fiddlers fake book - picked up sones rag and Dallas from that. Both good on the mandolin - but again - not well known.

I like sweet georgia brown - I might try that on the mandolin, but currently working on Take 5.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 04:10 PM

Take 5 by Brubeck? I'm impressed.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 05:48 PM

Yep.
I thought I'd find out who the real drummers were with that one.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 31 Dec 11 - 09:01 AM

re ;

Bad Quote - 'It ain't what you play it's the way that THEY play it'

The reason I'm looking for Tabs & not just chord names & melody is to understand other peoples approach to Texas Swing

Think Joe Pass - Freddie Green etc
One bass note, two or three note chord, melody note on top...


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 31 Dec 11 - 09:04 AM

& yes I do know that Joe Pass & Freddy Green are not considered to be Texas Swing Mandolin Players
- That will teach me to re-read before I hit send ! LOL


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 31 Dec 11 - 10:04 AM

Check out Evan Marshall, The Lone Arranger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCIJPCbAO1U
OK, so the William Tell Overture is no more Texas swing than Joe Pass and Freddy Green but it may give you some ideas.


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Dec 11 - 04:31 PM

"Western Swing," according to some, is what happened when fiddles were allowed in "Western Bands." This was a pretty radical move at the time, but people accepted it fairly rapidly, at least in the radical West Coast area (hence the name). Several bands also did the unthinkable, and added a drummer, which caused an even more bitter divide for a while.

Since a band that has a fiddle, and especially a band that had a drummer doesn't need a mandolin (as they're usually played in genres close to those who did it, where the "chops" are just an imitation snare drum), some older devotees would say that playing "Western Swing" on a mandolin is therefor sacriligious, but you'll be fine if you avoid old people. Younger generations have pretty much accepted the migration of the genre into a "sort of jazz" rather than as "bastardized country."

For a good collection of representative tunes, I'd suggest Stacy Phillips' Western Swing Fiddle. It has notated fiddle lines, with chords named. It does not, in the version I have, include TAB, although the publisher did produce TAB versions of quite a few of their music books.

Full citation:

Western Swing Fiddle, Stacy Phillips, Oak Publications, 1994, ISBN 0.8256.1122.9, Oak Order No OK 64907, paperback, approx 160 pp.

If you don't read dots, and can't find a TAB version of this book, even the table of contents might be a help for what to look for, and is:

ROOTS OF WESTERN SWING FIDDLE
Wild Dog —1928
After You've Gone — 1936
Harmony —1935
Peor Es Nada — mid 1930s


SWINGING THE BLUES
Black Rider — 1938
Swing Blues #1 — 1936
Corrine, Corinna — 1934
Crafton's Blues — 1935
Milk Cow Blues —1941
Milk Cow Blues — 1937
Milk Cow Blues
Milk Cow Blues — second solo
New Falling Rain Blues — 1940
Corrine, Corrina — 1936


THE BOB WILLS LEGACY
Corrine, Corrina — 1940
Corrine, Corrina-1940
Corrine, Corrina — 1970
Bob Wills Special — 1940
Bob Wills Special
Take Me Back to Tulsa — 1941
Take Me Back to Tulsa —1941
Take Me Back to Tulsa — 1941
Take Me Back to Tulsa —1970
Stay All Night —1946
Stay All Night —1973
Miss Molly —1942
Miss Molly —1942
Miss Molly —1942
Miss Molly —1942
Miss Molly —1942
Miss Molly —1942
Fat Boy Rag —1946
Spanish Two Step — 1935
San Antonio Rose —1938
Maiden's Prayer —1946
Faded Love —1964
Lone Star Rag 1 —1940
Lone Star Rag 1 —1940
Cotton Eyed Joe — 1946
Osage Stomp — 1949
Osage Stomp — 1977


HOT FIDDLE MUSIC, TEXAS STYLE
Train Song — ca. 1935
Lone Star Rag 2 —1949
Let's Go —1937
Rainbow — 1938
Silver Bells — 1981
Hi Flyer Stomp — 1937
Hi Flyer Stomp — second solo
Pussywillow — 1940
Tulsa Twist — 1941
Draggin' the Bow — 1936
Draggin' the Bow — 1949
Draggin' the Bow — 1981
Draggin' the Bow — ca. 1960
Draggin' the Bow — early 50s
Dirty Dog Blues — 1937
Gulf Coast Special — 1942
Sagebrush Shuffle — 1942
Sometimes-1941


THE WEST COAST SOUND AND THE SECOND GENERATION
Texas Crapshooter —1935
Texas Crapshooter — 1940
Cajon Stomp — 1935
Cajon Stomp —1937
Three Way Boogie — 1946
Maiden's Prayer — 1937
Panhandle Rag — 1949
Panhandle Rag — 1956
Panhandle Rag — 1977
Milk Cow Blues —1973
I'm Gonna Get Mad — 1946
Guitar Boogie Woogie — 1948
Lady Be Good —1983
Sioux City Sue —1946


THE NASHVILLE VERSION
Fiddle Patch —1965
Maiden's Prayer — 1978
Panhandle Rag — 1974
Cactus Set Up —1978


JOHNNY GIMBLE
Swing '42 — 1981
Rainy Day Monday Blues —1981
Rainy Day Monday Blues — second solo
Columbus Stockade Blues — 1981
Beaumont Rag —1974
Don't Let Your Deal Go Down — 1974
Corrine, Corrina —1970
Take Me Back to Tulsa — 1970
Fat Boy Rag — 1981
End of the Line — 1950
End of the Line — 1976
An Old Watermill — 1985
Kansas City Stomp — 1984


THE DANCES
Old Madeira Waltz — 1935
Homecoming Waltz — 1941
Churning Butter —1935
Topeka Polka — 1948
Bon Ton Schottische — ca. 1935
Hop, Skip and Jump over Texas — 1947
Tableau Clog Dance — 1938


Phillips is a pretty well known fiddle, but he was still a juvenile when I first heard him. His selections possibly are a little more inclusive of the current state of the "type" than you might find in some other collections, but shouldn't steer you into directions that will result in bodily injuries when you run into the few oddold-timers who insist "it aint right if it ain't Bob Wills."

Note that Phillips is a very good fiddler so some of his melody lines may need some adaptation for the heavier mandolin fingering. Variations are generally appropriate in the style.

John


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:41 AM

Thank you JohnInKansas & a happy new year
A most impressive list...
Meanwhile -
here I am
on my own
with mandolin & harp-rack !
LOL


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Subject: RE: Texas swing for mandolin
From: zozimus
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 05:27 PM

Tiny Moore is the man to listen to for Western Swing, and also Johnny Gimble. Tiny played in the Bob Wills band and can be heard to great effect on the "Tiffany Transcriptions" L/Ps set. The problem with swing is the need for a guitarist playing backup "Sock" chords. I don't think it works for solo mandolin. Tiny Moore released a book and tape on his method many years ago, which is now out of print. If you cannot locate it in your library, send me a PM nad I'll see what i can do. Jethro's star pupil, Don Sternberg has made some wonderful CDs.
You should also seek out a CD by Johhny Staats and Robert Shafter called "Pickin' Up Steam".
If you have to work solo, you need Jethro Burns Book ( Mel Bay) and get a hold of his classic CD "Tea For One". Look up Mandolin Cafe for further material by the likes of Dix Bruce.
                                           Happy Pickin'


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