Subject: Lyr Add: VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH (1847) From: Jim Dixon Date: 14 Oct 09 - 10:16 AM Here's the oldest version I can find in Google Books: From Songs of Ireland and Other Lands [Anonymous] (New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1847), page 221: VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH. 'Tis of a rich merchant who in London did dwell, He had but one daughter, an unkimmon nice young gal; Her name it was Dinah, scarce sixteen years old, With a very large fortune in silver and gold. Too ral lal, loo ral lal, too ral lal la. Chorus for the silver and gold. Too ral lal, etc. As Dinah was a valiking in the garden one day, Her papa he came to her, and thus he did say: "Go dress thyself, Dinah, in gorgeous array, And take yourself a husband both galliant and gay." Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for the expectant husband. Too ral lal, etc. Spoken.—This is what the infant progedy said to the author of her being. "O, papa, O, papa, I've not made up my mind, And to marry just yet, why, I don't feel inclined; To you my large fortune I'll gladly give o'er, If you'll let me live single a year or two more." Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for the suppliant maiden. Too ral lal, etc. Spoken.—This is what the indignant parient replied—I represent the father. "Go, go, boldest daughter," the parient replied; "If you won't consent to be this here young man's bride, I'll give your large fortune to the nearest of kin, And you shan't reap the benefit of one single pin." Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for indignant parient—very bass. Too ral lal, etc. Spoken.—Now comes the conflabbergastation of the lovyer. As Vilikins was valiking the garden around, He spied his dear Dinah laying dead upon the ground, And a cup of cold pison it lay by her side, With a billet-dux a stating 'twas by pison she died. Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for the chemist round the corner, where the pison was bought. Too ral lal, etc. Spoken.—This is what the lovyer did. He kissed her cold corpus a thousand times o'er, And called her his Dinah, though she was no more, Then swallowed the pison like a lovyer so brave, And Vilikins and his Dinah lie both in one grave. Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for the disconsolate lovyer. Too ral lal, etc. MORAL. Now, all you young maidens, take warning by her, Never not by no means disobey your governor; And all you young fellows mind who you clap eyes on, Think of Vilikins and Dinah and the cup of cold pison. Too ral lal, etc. Chorus for pisoned people. Too ral lal, etc. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dinah and Villikens From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Oct 09 - 11:27 PM Ah, but Dick, remember that Allan posted his request in 1999... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dinah and Villikens From: dick greenhaus Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:55 PM Alan- It's not only in Digitrad, but there's a link to it at the top of this very thread. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dinah and Villikens From: MGM·Lion Date: 12 Oct 09 - 09:23 PM One of most widely reused tunes of all, except praps for Battle·Hymn/John·Browns·Body — used for Sweet Betsy From Pike, Soft Tomatoes [thread qv], &c. Literary note: readers of Carroll's Alice will remember that Alice's cat in Thru the looking-Glass is called Dinah. The Liddells [the original Alice's family] also had a cat called Villikins; so the song was widely enough known to be used as a sort of family joke by the family of the Dean of Christ Church, Oxford. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dinah and Villikens From: GUEST Date: 12 Oct 09 - 05:26 PM Freda Palmer, who was from Leafield in Oxfordshire finished Villikins and Dinah off with the following verse, which I think is better than the moral: Twelve o'clock the next night in a tall poplar tree The ghost of young Dinah her parents did see Arm in arm with young Villikins and both looking blue Saying we wouldn't have been poisoned if it hadn't been for you. Freda's gorgeous version is on a Veteran CD, "It was on a market day" (2). She sings it very "straight", without any mockneyisms. |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Penny S. Date: 08 Oct 99 - 06:31 PM Correction I think the chorus was "Singing Toorali, oorali, oorali, ay |
Subject: Lyr Add: VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH From: Penny S. Date: 08 Oct 99 - 06:30 PM Baz has stirred the memory cells, and the entire version has surfaced. It is different from the DT one, and has different variations from Baz's. I don't remember where I found it, possibly the New National Song Book. Definitely in print form, though.
Now 'tis of a rich merchant I'm a-going for to tell,
As Dinah was a-waliking in the garding one day,
"Oh father, dear father, the daughter she said,
"Go, go boldest daughter," the pariant he cried,
As Villikins was a-walikin the garding around,
Then he kissed her cold corposus a thousand times ower,
Now all you young maidens don't you thus fall in love, nor Penny |
Subject: Lyr/Chords/Tune Add: VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH From: Kernow John Date: 08 Oct 99 - 04:19 PM VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH
Now [C] Dina was a [G7] walking her [C]garden one day {walliking, gardin}
Now all you young maidens take warning by her
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Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Steve Parkes Date: 08 Oct 99 - 03:32 AM Allan, old farts have been telling me that all my life! I'm not sure at 48 I qualify for OF status, despite my little brother's claims. Steve |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Allan S. Date: 07 Oct 99 - 01:17 PM THanks again. I love the last 2 verses Will sing it At our next house Hoot where it is expected that I will sing a song with DEATH AND Dying. Steve Parks who ever you are I am 71 and still going strong. Am going over all my old notes and music from my courting days. Which were used to win the hearts and minds[never mind hearts and minds] It was their bodies I was after of the ladies. Remember what ever you can think of, we old farts have done already. Allan S. |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Steve Parkes Date: 07 Oct 99 - 12:15 PM Sing "all" for two beats instead of one, and it'll work. |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Penny S. Date: 07 Oct 99 - 11:25 AM Remembering line breaks this time. (Please excuse above - inspection looming, world collapsing).
Now all you young maidens, don't you thus fall in love, nor Penny |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Steve Parkes Date: 07 Oct 99 - 03:23 AM 50 years ago,Allan? You look much younger than that on the Mudcat! And Baz, if Allan doesn't ask you to post the words and music, I will! Steve |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: allan S. Date: 06 Oct 99 - 07:33 PM Thanks every one I also sang it 50 of so years ago. Just going over all my notes on scraps of paper and ran into it Allan |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Kernow John Date: 06 Oct 99 - 06:58 PM Allan.S. I have the words, music and chords if you need them. Leave a message here. Regards Baz |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Date: 06 Oct 99 - 06:01 PM We used to sing a version of this many years ago-like 35 or40- which accounts for the lack of memory, but I'm sure that the last verse was a warning to other girls and finished "Remember Vilikins and his Dinah, not forgetting the pizen" |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Penny S. Date: 06 Oct 99 - 01:50 PM Missing verse: (I think) "Go go boldest daughter," the pariant he cried, "If you don't feel inclined to be this young man's bride, I'll give all my vast fortune to the nearest of kin, And you shan't reap the benefit, not of one single pin." And, ... Now as Villikins was a waliking the garding around, He spied his dear Dinah lying dead upon the ground, With a cup of cold poison lying down by her side, And a billy-dow to say how twas by poison she died. |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Steve Parkes Date: 06 Oct 99 - 04:00 AM Just remembered ... the first morial contains the wonderful word "conskivence" (in conskivence of ...); see if you can work out what it means! (Hint: use a bit of metathesis!) Steve |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Steve Parkes Date: 06 Oct 99 - 03:55 AM "Vilikins" = "Wilkins", believe it or not. In the cockney of Dickens' time, V and W were switched, so "very white" became "werry vite" (phonetic spelling!). Also, comic songs (and sea shanties) tended to insert extra syllables, whence the intrusive second "i" in Vilikins. The first line of the song (by the way, I think it was by Mark Sheridan, but I may be completely wrong!) goes "It's of a rich merchiant this story I tell". Let's see how much I can remember ... It's of a rich merchiant this story I tell, Who had but one daughter, an uncommon fine young gel, Whose name it vas Dinah, just sixteen years old, Vith a werry large fortin [fortune] in silwer and gold. Singing ... [there is some patter before each chorus, which I've forgotten] Too-ra-lie oo-ra-lie or-ra-lie-ay. [Switch your own v's and w's from here!] Now, as Dinah was a walliking [walking] in the garding one day - {spoken] it was the front garding - Her father came to her and to her did say: "Go dress your self, Dinah, in gorge-i-ous array, I will find you a husiband both galliant and gay." Singing ... "Oh father, dear father," young Dinah replied, "I don't feel inclined for to be marri-eyed, And all my large fortin I'd gladly give o'er If you'd let me stay single a year or two more." [verse missing] Now, as Vilikins was a walliking in the garden one day - [spoken] it was the back garden - ... and now it's gone completely, I'm afraid; except for the end of the last verse: With a bill-dow what said as how by pizen [poison] they died. "Billy-dow" = billet-doux (French) meaning a love-letter (not a French letter!). It's basically Romeo and Juliet in modern dress, but with more jokes. Actually, the last verse is not the final one; there was a "morial" (moral), and there were two extra morals added, I suspect through public demand. The first morial is that this is what happens when you go against parental orders; the second is that this is what happens when parients (sic) go against the hearts of their children. Steve |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: raredance Date: 05 Oct 99 - 10:18 PM Vilikins and his Dinah is credited to John Parry. It was a popular music hall song in London and gained great popularity in the USA in the 1850s. The tune gained even greater acceptance as a vehical for all manner of mosstly amusing songs. You can find the version in the DT by searching "Villikins" which is a misspelling of Vilikins as it appears on an early sheet music publication of the song. rich r |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Date: 05 Oct 99 - 10:11 PM Sorry, the thread wasn't here, but on rec.music.folk. To see 19the century copies go to www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ballads and click on Browse/Search in the left column. On the top line of the search box that come up put Dinah, and follow directions to see big GIFs of broadside copies. |
Subject: RE: Dinah and Villikens From: Date: 05 Oct 99 - 10:05 PM We just had a thread on it a fe days ago, and its in DT. Search for Dinah. Vilikins was the original spelling, but there are others used also. |
Subject: Dinah and Villikins From: allan S Date: 05 Oct 99 - 09:58 PM Does anyone know the song "Dinah and Villikins" 1st verse as follows:
There was a rich merchant in London did dwell She rejects suitor for young Villikens Who finds her dead in the garden with a cup of cold poison by her side Moral: "'tis better to die and grow cold than to marry a suitor for silver and gold" It sounds as tho it could have written by John J. Niles or Richard Dying Bennet who "found it in the southern Mts. Who wrote it??? Is it traditional or what??? |
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