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Tech: The Mudcat gap.

Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 12 - 09:05 AM
Nigel Parsons 11 Jan 12 - 09:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 12 - 09:49 AM
GUEST,999 11 Jan 12 - 09:51 AM
Baz Bowdidge 11 Jan 12 - 10:03 AM
Jim Dixon 11 Jan 12 - 10:05 AM
Nigel Parsons 11 Jan 12 - 10:10 AM
Jim Dixon 11 Jan 12 - 11:13 AM
Newport Boy 11 Jan 12 - 01:29 PM
Joe_F 11 Jan 12 - 07:56 PM
Stilly River Sage 11 Jan 12 - 08:32 PM
Janie 11 Jan 12 - 09:31 PM
Joe Offer 11 Jan 12 - 09:37 PM
Jeri 11 Jan 12 - 09:47 PM
GUEST,999 11 Jan 12 - 09:52 PM
Rapparee 11 Jan 12 - 10:47 PM
GUEST,999 11 Jan 12 - 11:06 PM
Rapparee 11 Jan 12 - 11:19 PM
GUEST,999 11 Jan 12 - 11:50 PM
Janie 12 Jan 12 - 12:11 AM
Joe Offer 12 Jan 12 - 12:32 AM
BK Lick 12 Jan 12 - 01:34 AM
JohnInKansas 12 Jan 12 - 02:34 AM
treewind 12 Jan 12 - 04:29 AM
Rapparee 12 Jan 12 - 09:04 AM
Roger the Skiffler 12 Jan 12 - 10:00 AM
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Subject: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:05 AM

When a thread passes 50 posts, we can click on "messages" instead of the thread title to save downloading it all.
But, there is a wide gap between them, and it is hard to match them up.
It is very annoying when the wrong thread appears.
Thread titles are limited in permitted length so the large gap is not needed.
Can it be reduced please, or a dotted line lead from title across the divide, or some other mechanism to relieve this irritant?

(Everything else is just fine thanks)


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:44 AM

Left click to the right of where it says 'Trace' and move the cursor up/down the page. This will highlight full lines of text, showing which thread title relates to which number of posts.

Cheers


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:49 AM

Excellent!
Or, to the left of the required title.
Still, a smaller gap would make that unnecessary.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:51 AM

Not to an ant.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Baz Bowdidge
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 10:03 AM

I always felt it would be sharper to rearrange category title headings and topic titles for the entire forum.
Currently there are just two definitive categories (Lyrics & Knowledge and Non-folk), all other 'categories' such as 'Lyr Req' and 'Tech' are laced into the main body.
Baz


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 10:05 AM

You can also make your window narrower. Your browser window doesn't have to be the full width of your screen. If you make your window narrower, the columns will move closer together.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 10:10 AM

Making my window narrower retains the gap, it just loses whatever's on the right hand side of the screen!


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 11:13 AM

OK, the problem is a bit more complicated than I thought.

My screen is 1440 pixels and 15 inches wide. If I set my browser window to full width, it is about 10 inches from the left margin to the "Messages" column. This is the situation I was imagining you looking at, but I was probably wrong. If I decrease my browser window to about 8 inches wide, the "Messages" column shifts to the left until it is about 5.5 inches from the left margin. If I make my browser window any narrower than that, the column doesn't shift any further, and I start losing data at the right margin instead.

Your numbers might vary depending on your screen size, resolution, font, and maybe other factors I am not aware of and wouldn't know the terminology for anyway. I am a bit out of my depth here.

Another thing you can do is scroll up or down until the line you are looking at is near the top or bottom of your window. Then it's easier to see how the columns line up.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Newport Boy
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 01:29 PM

Alternatively, you could SIT UP STRAIGHT!

Sorry - Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Joe_F
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 07:56 PM

Where does it say "Trace"? I cannot find that word anywhere except in Mr Parsons's posting.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 08:32 PM

On the forum page where all of the threads are listed, trace is to the far right - if you're logged in. You are, so you should be able to see it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:31 PM

I have to use your last option, Jim.

Not as much of an issue when I know about how long a thread is from having opened it previously - unless the threads directly above and below it are of similar length. Then I often click on the wrong thread unless I first scroll down to use the bottom of the screen as a line to orient me.

It is apparently not a minor fix as a number of us have noted this over the years. If it were simple to change it, I think Max would have done so already. (The older I get the more often I have trouble clicking on the correct thread that numbers over 50 posts.)   

Another minor inconvenience for the brain-dead - I wonder if there is a simple fix. It would be a nice convenience if the original pm to which one is responding displayed when the reply button is hit so that one doesn't have to go back and forth between reply and "sent messages" to be able to respond. People with functioning memories probably don't have an issue with this:O)


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:37 PM

I like the way Mudcat looks and I don't refer to the right-hand columns that often, so this isn't a huge concern to my way of thinking. But I agree with Keith that if you're looking to connect the right column with information on the left, it's difficult. I have that problem viewing tables quite often, both on paper and on computer screens. Barely-visible grid lines would help a lot, like this:

See?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:47 PM

In addition to shrinking the window, if you increase the font size, there will be less of a gap.
You can also click and drag the mouse to highlight the line of text.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 09:52 PM

It's all in your mind , , ,


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 10:47 PM

These lines are the same:

_________________________
------------------
\\\\\\\\\\\{{{{{{{{{]]]]]]]]]]]
||||||||||||||||OOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Any differences you think you see are all in your mind. They are actually composed of pixels on your monitor, and you only think you see lines.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 11:06 PM

Whew. For a few seconds there . . .

Rap, did my white 8 x 6 envelope arrive?


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 11:19 PM

Yes, today. How many do you want?

You'll have to pick up the stuff in Manitoba, as that's where we've got the fix in with the RCMP at the moment. The detonators will ship separately, of course, and for that money you can only get the basic load of 40,000 rounds of ammunition. Since you're a good customer we're including an extra Bofors gun at no extra cost.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 11:50 PM

Thanks for blowing my cover ya dipsy sob!

Four is ok, but if others need them, one is fine.

##########################################

TODAY? I mailed it weeks ago. WTF? Mailed it a few days before Christmas. Sheesh. The post offices oughta give back half that stamp!


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Janie
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 12:11 AM

(Reading Joe's post while scrunching face in concentration and waving arms in air to figure out which is right and which is the other right.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 12:32 AM

OK, Janie, get this straight:

Left

Right


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: BK Lick
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:34 AM

Janie, she sez:
It is apparently not a minor fix as a number of us have noted this over the years. If it were simple to change it, I think Max would have done so already. (The older I get the more often I have trouble clicking on the correct thread that numbers over 50 posts.)
Actual, I think it might be as simple as changing one table definition from BORDER="0" to BORDER="1".


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:34 AM

There actually are several adjustments you can make in your browser that may be of some help.

You can change the font size, at least via using small, medium, or large font size. IE, at View|Text Size gives 5 variations.

You can change the size of the window you view the page in. Note that the text wrapping probably will work only over a limited range, and if you pull the window size down too far the text will begin to run off the screen.

You can change the "zoom" level for what's displayed inside the window. Limits on the range for which the text wrap works are similar to the effect of changing window size, but the two interact to some extent, so you may be able to find a compromise combination that works a little better.

You could bend a wire coat hanger to a "Y" shape and tie a string across it (like a cheese slicer) so you have a "reference line" you can hold up in front of the screen to line up with.

The simplest I've found is just to click an empty spot on the screen and hold the left button down while dragging, as if "selecting," which will generate lines across the screen (and change the color of the text) line by line as you drag.

The last method is a technique that must be practiced, as it's also useful when certain resident smart asses insert "white" text so it looks like nothing is there like k-1 (he'd bat 1,000 if he wasn't just one !!!!! short) and Rap probably meant to do in posts just above.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: treewind
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 04:29 AM

A nice way of lining them up is to have alternating backgrounds of white and a very light colour. This would have to be done in the Mudcat server software, but then we'd all benefit. The list in question is a table, and as it's generated by a script it's not hard to set the background per TR element

line 1
line 2
line 3
line 4
line 5

(I had to cheat and use DIV elements, because TABLE elements are forbidden, but the above shows what it would look like)

Another way is to use the CSS hover attribute. I don't think I can demo this on mudcat, but try moving your mouse over the price list on this page (one I made) to see what I mean:
www.microrobotics.co.uk/products/price.html


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 09:04 AM

No, if I want to use a white font I'd do it the old-fashioned way, with good old hand-crafted HTML, just as I would do for changing color or and size or blink and the restof that stuff.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 10:00 AM

After reading all the above, I think I'll stick to the Cumberland Gap.

RtS
(ducking and running, pursued by a flying washboard)


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 10:06 AM

Got a new computer with a 17" flat screen and I can barely wait to put some pictures of my willie up!   Gonna' be great......magnificent really!!


Spaw


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 11:29 AM

Go ahead, Spaw... we can zoom in.


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Subject: RE: Tech: The Mudcat gap.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 03:38 PM

Yes, the issue can be resolved by grid lines or by the shading that treewind demonstrated above. Max knows how to do that - anybody with basic HTML knowledge knows how to do that. I think Max has left the Forum Menu the way it is, because he likes the way it looks. I have to say, I like it, too. The lines and shading are functional, but not really pleasing to my taste.

-Joe-


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