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Bonzo3legs 14 Jan 12 - 07:01 AM
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Subject: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 07:01 AM

Has anyone seen this yet? We are seeing it today, the music is apparently by John Williams so very different from the National Theatre production.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 09:20 AM

Anyone who listened to Mike Hardings folk show on Wednesday will be aware of John Tams work on the songs which cement (I think) the film together and is it Tim Van Eykin or have I lost the plot already, singing?

Ray


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: JedMarum
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 09:36 AM

Magnificent film. Powerful imagery, beautiful music, well told story. It is one of those tales where you know exactly where it is going, and you are happy to go along.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 10:39 AM

I presumed the recordings of Tim on the Mike Harding show were from the soundtrack CD of the stage play.
Derek


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 11:03 AM

Was John's music in the film - I don't think he mentioned the film in the interview but may have missed it. I hope it is!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 01:04 PM

The IMDB listing of credits doesn't mention either Tams or van Eyken, and the movie soundtrack album is just all John Williams originals. Too bad. I'll be curious to hear whether he makes use of any themes/sounds based in traditional music, but I'm not optimistic.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 01:13 PM

Yes a great shame - too English for the US audience probably ;-)


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 04:00 PM

The film was excellent, and if the soundtrack had the voice of either John Tams or Tim van Eyken, it would have been even better.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 04:27 PM

Caught the Radio Play on Beeb Seven last year - Morpurgo is an excellent writer , thats for sure


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 04:40 PM

Having seen the stage version 18 months ago and the film tonight I would advise everyone to see them both they're both great

Gerry

BTW my wife says I should now read the book(she has)


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 05:04 PM

I had thought that at least one of John Tams's songs were in the film... there is the story (reported in the London Evening Standard a few weeks ago) that John queried a sequence in which methodist chapel music was being used for a parish church sequence. And Spielberg looked at him and said, "Do you want your f*****g song in the film or not?"
Derek


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 07:46 PM

Saw the film with my wife today and can agree that it was a very good film but was disappointed to find that none of John's songs made it into the film.

Spielberg obviously won!

CC


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 04:45 AM

Is there a DVD of the original cast production at the National I wonder? Or for that matter are there any live sound recordings - I have looked in all the obvious places but found nothing.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: SunrayFC
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 11:21 AM

And Bob Fox is in the stage version for the next year.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: open mike
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 12:42 PM

how can you do a stage version of a story that has galloping horses?


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 01:29 PM

They use life-sized puppets of horses, each one worked by several puppeteers. These 'horses' can even support a rider. It's uncanny how they 'become' real and one disregards those manipulating the puppets.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 01:31 PM

I followed the play so closely, I'm surprised anyone missed the answer to your question, open mike. But outside the UK and New York theater scene or the horsey world, I guess it's possible. :-) Amazing puppetry is the answer.

Overview 1
a montage (including the music)

Lots more to be found in the related links.

My sister got to see the play in New York. I would love to be able to see it.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Jim McLean
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 02:07 PM

I saw the stage play in London and was absolutely amazed. The puppetry was so good one really imagined real horses. I don't remember seeing anything on stage that gripped me as much as this, it was truly superb. But I can't actually say I remember any music!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 05:00 PM

This is what was missing from the film!!!

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/O2O9E8O3/War_Horse_20071027.html


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 15 Jan 12 - 05:25 PM

The above link takes you to a file sharing website which I wasn't very happy about - unless its a legal one Bonzo? - I closed it quickly as I didn't want to expose my computer to any viruses that may be lurking there!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 02:55 AM

Chicken!!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 03:16 AM

It has never troubled my Windows 7 antivirus.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Gervase
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 05:01 PM

Seems to be an illegal recording some scrote bootlegged from the stage production and then put on a file-sharing site. Not a good idea.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 05:26 PM

That's what I thought!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 05:36 PM

There is/was a cd of the musical score from the play. Here's the Amazon page, with it labelled "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available." But, you can purchase mp3 files of it all at Amazon (UK). (£7.49 for the lot, or £0.89 a track. There are 23 tracks.)

There's also a "Making of" DVD available from the National Theatre. Kind of suprising they aren't selling the cd. Maybe they just did a short printing run and it didn't sell well enough to print more?? I did see on one blog post about the play in New York that they had the cd for sale.

Here's a Lincoln Center Theater (NY) article about Kate Pfaffl, one of the singers in the New York production.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 05:45 PM

From the Wikipedia page about the movie:

The film score by John Williams was recorded in late March and early April 2011. Tuba player Jim Self reported in May 2011: "For John Williams I [sic] recently finished recording for the film War Horse. It's a war movie so the score has a lot of brass—but it was gentile [sic] music often." English folk singer John Tams, who wrote the songs for the stage production of War Horse, was approached by Spielberg and Williams about including one of his songs from the stageshow in the film. In the liner notes to the film soundtrack cd, Spielberg wrote "I feel that John [Williams] has made a special gift to me of this music, which was inspired not only by my film but also by many of the picturesque settings of the poet William Wordsworth, whose vivid descriptions of the British landscape inspired much of what you are going to hear." In the premiere of three of the tracks on New York radio station WQXR's "Movies on the Radio", broadcaster David Garland drew parallels with the work of British composer Ralph Vaughan Williams.
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From the footnotes to the John Tams reference there,

From West End to Hollywood as John's songs woo Spielberg (www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk)

John Tams at Cropredy on Steven Spielberg and Richard Curtis (Emma Hartley's Glamour Cave blog)

So there was buzz during the production, but apparently none of it panned out. Oh, well. An entirely separate production, but it's a pity English folk doesn't get deemed good enough for primetime.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 17 Jan 12 - 05:45 PM

Becky, thanks for those links. Am putting in an alternative to the first one you posted, 'cos that takes me to a "page not found".
However, when I did a search, I did find it (along with another article that might be of interest), so here they are:

From West End to Hollywood as John's songs woo Spielberg

Helping out Spielberg is all in a day's work for Derbyshire folk star John


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 17 Jan 12 - 05:56 PM

"Castle Combe's high street is filled with ducks and theatrical mud and assistants touching up make-up in front of mullioned windows (no double-glazing here). Spielberg is shooting the scene where the men of the village are being waved off to war, and 200 or so extras are marching through the streets carrying suitcases and singing the haunting refrain of 'Only remembered for what we have done'."

Does this appear in the film? I'm hoping to see it this week.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 17 Jan 12 - 07:51 PM

Thanks, Yorkshire Yankee, I had typo in my html.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 05:31 AM

I took my daughter to see 'Saving Private Dobbin' at the weekend. Like most of Spielberg's films, it was entertaining enough at the time but one feels slightly manipulated at the end of it. Richard Curtis didn't help - I can't abide anything he's written since 'Blackadder'. I wonder what country Curtis sets all his scripts in? It looks jolly pleasant, wherever it is. At least Huge Grunt wasn't in it.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: breezy
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 06:17 AM

The songman in the London theatre production was brilliant and set the scene,time and place.


For Speilberg to have overlooked them [songs] for the film is to my mind an error of judgement.


The book is an easy read as one would expect from a gifted author.

I would have been anticipating the songs of Tams in the film but must reserve judgement on what Williams has come up with.I may not even go and I seldom go anyway

I still think Speilberg will have missed a trick, maybe he needs a line from Ricky G to bring him round. perhaps when the remake comes out in 20 years time the songs will be included.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 06:35 AM

There were so many points in the film which would have benefited from the singing voice of either John Tams or Tim van Eyken - but only these in my view.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 07:36 AM

An evening with Michael Morpurgo featuring John Tams!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grC9zTeC464

Be careful - it's a video sharing site - probably illegal - may get a virus on your PC - may upset certain posters to mudcat !!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 03:52 PM

A very interesting video.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: sciencegeek
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 07:40 AM

finally got to see the movie this weekend... the play is not likely to show up in western NY any time soon. Did get my hands on the book recently, so noticed the many changes there.

Mike went to the film grudgingly, but afterwards decided that the film was done well on its own merits.
I'm always a sucker for a good horse story... even one set in war, since I believe Spielberg makes some of the best anti-war films.

The carnage of war has included as many equines ( draft & light horses along with mules) as it has humans - soldiers & civilians. The only visual he missed was a shot of the horses wearing gas masks - which were actually in use as gas warfare escalated.

As the young men marched off to war, Dancing at Whitsun kept coming to mind.

I hope a soundtrack of both the play & film come out. I also wish that folks would figure out that there's better ways to resolve differences that blowing each other up.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 09:13 AM

Re-linking:

movie soundtrack (at Amazon, U.S.)

play soundtrack (download, at Amazon, U.K.)

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 02:14 PM

And the English sunset at the end of the film was incredible!


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 05:45 AM

"with the Western sky aglo,
And the lads all sitting sideways,
And singing as they go."

"Home lads home, with the sunset on their faces,"


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 11:53 PM

John Williams will be 80 on 8 February 2012.

From Wikipedia

"John Towner Williams (born February 8, 1932) is an American composer, conductor, and pianist. In a career spanning almost six decades, he has composed some of the most recognizable film scores in the history of motion pictures, including the Star Wars saga, Jaws, Superman, the Indiana Jones films, E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, Hook, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, Home Alone and the first three Harry Potter films. He has had a long association with director Steven Spielberg, composing the music for all but two of Spielberg's major feature films."

He can add The Adventures of Tintin and War Horse to this list. The Adventures of Tintin has just won an Annie Award in the Music for a Feature category. War Horse and The Adventures of Tintin have both been nominated for the 84th Academy Awards in the Original Score category, John Williams' 46th and 47th nominations for the Academy Awards.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 02:28 AM

Apart from the sequence where the horse runs through no-man's land, which was quite amazing, I found much of the film to be too mawkish for my liking.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 05:50 AM

I've made the decision, as a horse woman, not to see it. I'm sure images will haunt me forever.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 06:40 AM

Same here, lemonade lady. I know I just wouldn't be able to bear it.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 07:58 AM

Here's a link to a haunting World War 1 photo and poem "Homeward" by Cicely Fox Smith that was referred to above: Click here!

You can find this poem and some 640 others by C. Fox Smith on the Allpoetry website.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 06:26 PM

Son and I saw the movie on Sunday. Although we soaked the hankies we brought, it wasn't as emotionally bad as I thought it would be. More just tear-jerking. It's Spielberg, after all. I kept thinking, "those guys in the trenches are way too clean." It's adapted from a children's book, and feels like it, rather than being as bitingly lifelike and gore-filled as could be possible given the material. (Mike Yates, I think I'm with your conclusions, entirely.) So, horsey people, I would actually recommend it.

Definitely lovely Devon scenery.

Regarding the music, there was only one song that I was conscious of, that came as the first volunteers (and the horses) march out of the village. I believe this is John Tams' song, "The Red and the Blue". We stayed to the end of the credits, and I think there were three songs/tunes credited to people other than John Williams; one definitely was Tams. The credits were going too fast for me to catch the other names.

It kind of annoys me that the movie website doesn't have the full credits, and that imdb.com, which includes some "uncredited" crew members, does not include these, either.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 09:38 PM

i couldn\t help thinking at the end, there was a scene of the horses face looking relieved at survival with an idealic background. i imagined a thought balloon with the horse thinking

"oh yeah, you don't have to plow that damn turnip field again"


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:19 PM

Saw the stage play this week - absolutely amazing puppetry, and the John Tams songs by Bob Fox were a nice surprise.

Thoroughly recommended.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

Already seen it twice, and will again.


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Subject: RE: War Horse film
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:33 AM

I really enjoyed it too, but the plot was a bit silly.
It was a children's story originally.


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