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olddude 18 Jan 12 - 07:16 PM
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Subject: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 07:16 PM

I had a number of comments that on the recording the voice is too soft and the guitar is too loud and vice versey ... I had to reset up this system here at home. Can you please tell me if the balance is a little better on this song as I just recorded it 5 min ago. I don't do a very good job on it as it is just a test for balance. All suggestions are welcome even the ones that go "stop playing and singing" LOL

Lone Prairie


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 07:32 PM

Dan, are you recording with no effects at all--no echo, reverb, delay?


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 07:54 PM

Bruce just me and 2 mikes and my geetar nothing else on the settings


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 07:56 PM

Oh sorry just small reverb set


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 08:06 PM

You are getting some echo in there. Can you hang sheets from the walls to baffle the bounce-back? (Add the reverb if you feel you have to after mixing the two tracks.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM

Can do Bruce, very small room and I am pointed towards windows, good suggestion, never thought of that. I don't know how to record two tracks. I record as I play and sing, that most likely part of my problem also. Is the guitar and voice sort of more balanced? this was just a quick test recording that I will remove after I get the settings somewhat better. I wrote a couple new songs for a new CD and want to try and fix the mess I had the last time.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 08:19 PM

OK.

1) Do not aim the guitar microphone directly at the sound hole. Aim it more toward the bridge from the body end of the guitar kind of at 45 degrees.

2) Do you have a sponge cover on the voice mike? If not, try putting a handkerchief over the voice mike and hold it in place with an elastic band.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 08:40 PM

will do Bruce thank you


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 08:56 PM

Dan, when you get a new sample done I'd like to hear it, OK?


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 09:02 PM

Are you using an pre-amp or amp, Ol'ster??? You can get a lot more out of yer acoustic geetar by setting how you want it to sound and fatten your sound with one... I mean, even mic-ing an amp moves you up into a bigger sound and then it's just a matter of messing with yer PA settings to get the voice to where the geetar is...

It just a matter of putting a little fat on them bones...

B~


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 09:46 PM

Bobster no I am not using one, but that is a good idea ... now ya got me thinking ... thanks bro


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 09:55 PM

I'd like to hear your voice a little louder relative to the guitar. What kind of mics are you using and how close are you to the vocal mic?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 10:33 PM

Man, you gotta get into some 'lectrics, Ol-ster... I mean, you ain't Pavarotti... Me neither... The P-Vine - she be classically trained and can do solos (without amplification) in a church in front of a 1000 people - can get away with stuff but that ain't us...

Get some 'lectrics!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:05 PM

OK..Dan, a small bit of reverb on the voice, and a little different setting on the guitar. You might use a COMPRESSOR and give it a bit of output....start with the compressor at 50% then adjust to your liking..it should give you more 'presence' and evenness; and the advice(Guest,999) about the mike, and the sound hole is correct...Don't mike the hole...but the wood behind the bridge. I typically use two mikes, and a pick-up through a compressor, and use three channels for the guitar..but two will do fine...that way you can adjust and balance the volumes, for the brightness, and the 'wood' sound! You can do this....all this stuff is easily available.
I'm rooting for ya!...ANYTHING I can do to help..........ask!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:14 PM

I'd say the amplitude is about right, maybe a red hair more on the voice. If you set it up to do two channels, one voice and one mike, you can then compress, reverbe, amp or soften either side at will in software.

A


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:15 PM

What GfinS said, Ol-ster... Every one is usin' the tricks and once you know 'um then you begin to make better recordings...

If you recorded in a decent studio the sound guy would be settin' you up right... That's where I learn stuff... Watch how they set mics and what mics they are using...

Ahhhh, not that I have been all that successful myself with with home recordings... But I do understand what these folks are up to...

B~


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:27 PM

Dan, listen to the sound and engineering on the two guitars, in this piece...the acoustic is miked, like I said....and it is recorded LIVE on a tape recorder..not digitally recorded(old school....and it was recorded in 1979. Tell what you think....you CAN separate the two guitars...and the voice is clean, and up front!

Whether you like the song or not..check the SOUND!

You can even hear clean 'finger squeak'....which usually I don't want to hear...but on this piece, it works

GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:37 PM

GFS and Bob
Thank you and GFS you gave me some great things to try. Thank you Thank you.   I love the sound you just showed me ... wow and in 1979 too

Thank you


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:38 PM

Amos
you should do that song, you got the chops to do it right. I just used it for a test. Love the song but I don't do it very well at all


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jan 12 - 11:50 PM

Dan, OK.....not only that, it was recorded through an old Carvin P.A. head...MONO!!!..and in the mix down used a stereo chorus...FROM a GUITAR pedal!!!
I have another VERY important handy hint..it is in your EQ setting. This was recorded WITH the EQ set so the high and low ends were elevated, but the vocals were lower..THEN I raised the VOLUME on the voice MIKE, to stand out, yet NOT have the interference from the highs and lows of the instruments get in the way of the voice. Once you SING a song with Vocals....the WORDS are the most important thing of the song, and should be heard CLEARLY, DISTINCTLY, AND CATCH THE NUANCES OF MOOD, RELAYING THE TONE INFLECTIONS..TO MAKE IT BELIEVABLE!

BTW, did you like the actual song?

GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 09:08 AM

I sure did like the song, did you write it?


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 09:52 AM

Beautiful cut. I just posted to it on YouTube.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 09:59 AM

The 19 Jan 12 - 09:52 AM post was for GfS.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 11:27 AM

My friends thank you, today I am going to take the suggestions and see what I can do.

Can a mud elf delete the thread. I don't want to junk up the cat. Just needed some help and thank you for giving it to me

God Bless
Dan


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: Baz Bowdidge
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 11:42 AM

Olddude, in my opinion the guitar/voice balance is perfect (the edgy distortion sounds like level overload).
Do you really want a Roland 80's chorus/echo smattering your guitar?
That'll be a cop-out and if you're doing a CD that would be tedious.
The natural echo you've achieved sounds just right - a bit more but virtually undetectable perhaps.
A backing chorus adds and rounds off any song.

Baz


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 11:55 AM

Olddude, Yeah, I did. I'm playing lead guitar in it as well. Michael Llona, since deceased, was playing the other guitar, and doing the vocals. If you liked that one, there are two more up there, but they are instrumentals, both recorded LIVE, one at an open mike. The long one, "Bittersuite:Joy" I even was composing while posting on the Mudcat Forum...(remember when I said I was running up and down from the basement studio, and would pop on Mudcat to post an occasional satirical post?..) However, I recorded that one about a year and a half ago. I have about 12 more I'm going to post, once I get the time..which should be pretty soon.
Here is "Bittersuite:Joy"..(note whose page it is on...I kept saying they were friends). This next one is about a half hour long..with a few pics. Sit back, relax..or be adjusted, and let it take you away!
Some people have told me that thy listen to it over and over, using another tab, while doing other computer work.
Also, I have another couple of Llona and myself, done in somewhat the same style of "My Lady". I'll see if I can get that one up soon, but I have to get going now..but I'll put it up, later.
AND BTW, any serious musical Mudcatter, I'll try to help you in anyway possible.

God Bless!

'Bittersuite:Joy'


'Seascape'

Guest From Sanity


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 11:57 AM

..on the way out, I checked 'My Lady'...thank you Bruce, for your complimentary comments!...I'. on your side, as well!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 01:25 PM

to be honest, I like the sound (particularly the guitar sound) you've got.

I would cut back on off whatever reverb you've got on your voice, and experiment with mic placement in your room. You can get in really close to a mic with your mouth, if you have a pop-shield and the mic is either a bit below your mouth or above your mouth. Getting in close takes a lot of the "boominess" "reflectiveness" of the room where you're recording out of the equation.

I think you've got a good balance. You're clearly a good enough musician that, frankly, you may as well go into a cheap local studio - they'll do you proud.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 01:48 PM

Michael, I've found some others of your compositions on YouTube. You do a CD, sign me up for one. I love the stuff. Truly good music; some of it magic. I wish we were talking instead of fighting all the time.

BM


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 01:51 PM

thank you my friends for the wonderful learning experience
GFS   I would buy a CD from you in a heartbeat, you are a fine writer and performer


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 01:58 PM

Ditto that, Dan.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 04:36 PM

I took you kind suggestions, could you please tell me if this is a little better, I had the gain way way up. this is just a test. I just recorded a song I wrote a while ago "chasing the wind"

does it sound better? I adjusted the reverb and put covering on the mikes

soundtest


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 04:52 PM

Bingo!


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 04:57 PM

Thank you my brother, hey next CD will you consider doing "my baby's smile". My kids would love it


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 05:30 PM

one last tweek, punched it a bit ... same song chasing the wind just replace it

Gosh thank everyone, maybe someday I will get it right. I blew my PC and had to redo everything. On top of that, my missus made me move it to the spare room cause she was tired of tripping on the cords LOL. I wrote a bunch new songs and wanna get them down as right as I can


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 05:33 PM

Indeed I would, Dan. I think 'My Baby's Smile' is a really good song as a btw.

BM


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 05:35 PM

you're the best my brother, you created a monster you know that LOL


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 05:44 PM

And Ron Bankley's 'Foundations of Freedom', the absolute best song I've heard in two decades, maybe three. I'm blessed to know some great songwriters.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 12 - 06:19 PM

Foundations of Freedom is a masterpiece, the can sure can write can't he holy cow is that good. I am a rabid fan of the Ron master I am


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 03:01 AM

Hey guys, this link is introducing this piece, on YouTube.
I thought that this was as good as place as any....Dan, check out the 'sound' on this one. I forgot to 'normalize' the final cut, for the upload....but here it is, anyway....I hope you like, and get it!

Regards,
GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 09:43 AM

wonderful GFS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 11:33 AM

Thanks, glad you liked it.....got a few more coming, too...and a bit different from this...but I think you'll like them...some with female vocals...and a WONDERFUL female vocalist!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 12:02 PM

Nothin' but trouble once they're out of the kitchen.


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 12:32 PM

sometime we even spill milk on the floor also :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 09:10 PM

"Hello, Dear...I'm really attracted to you...Would you be so kind, as to not let me embarrass myself, by trying to get milk out of the fridge....Here, I'll sit here, and you can bring it to me!!!!"

wink!

GfS

P.S.............


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 09:30 PM

While yer up, bring back a beer, huh!


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 11:05 PM

At least we are upstairs, Jacqui and Sins makes us stay in the Cellar


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Subject: RE: Tech: olddude A little Help with Recording
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 11:21 PM

Blaaa--urrp!....Oh thank you! That was really nice..and a cold one at that!....how 'about another....and one for my friend Susie, too....?
Oh, come on....Susie won't mind....and she also was going to thank you for washing those panties you found in the glove box, so nicely, too.

GfS


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