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UK TV Music:The Postman Pat connection

Phil Edwards 24 Jan 12 - 02:08 PM
Phil Edwards 25 Jan 12 - 04:59 AM
GUEST,matt milton 25 Jan 12 - 07:00 AM
Phil Edwards 25 Jan 12 - 07:35 AM
GUEST,matt milton 25 Jan 12 - 07:55 AM
Acorn4 25 Jan 12 - 08:16 AM
wysiwyg 25 Jan 12 - 09:22 AM
Acorn4 25 Jan 12 - 09:35 AM
Phil Edwards 25 Jan 12 - 11:54 AM
Acorn4 25 Jan 12 - 02:00 PM
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Subject: The Postman Pat connection
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 02:08 PM

What do

the Postman Pat theme
Hey Ya (Outkast)
the Moving On Song (a.k.a. Go, Move, Shift) (Seeger & MacColl)

have in common?

For bonus points, are there other songs with the same feature? Is there a name for it other than the descriptive phrase?


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 04:59 AM

Massive clue: they're all in 4/4.


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 07:00 AM

It's slightly oversimplifying things to say Postman Pat is in 4/4.

The first part of it suggests 2/4: there's a very strong stress falling on the "Post" of "Postman" every two beats, and the pace is that of a march.

I'd write it as two bars of 2/4 ("Postman Pat, Postman Pat"). Then one bar of 3/4 ("Postman Pat & his black and white"), then, upon the word "cat" it relaxes into five bars of regular 4/4.

You could, for the sake of writerly simplicity replace the two 2/4s with one 4/4, but it'd be going against the grain of the second "Post". However you look at it, there's unquestionably a bar of 3/4 in there.


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 07:35 AM

Humph.

If for the sake of argument you were to play Postman Pat very very slowly and deliberately, so that the first two bars were in 4/4...


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 07:55 AM

There's an irregular bar in the song. It's a bit like the verse to "All you need is love" in that respect.

If you had two bars of 4/4 then the irregular bar would be in 2/4, beginning on the beat after "cat"

If you had one bar of 4/4 then the irregular bar would be in 3/4, beginning on "cat".


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 08:16 AM

The "Moving On" song seems to throw in a 3/4 bar in the chorus, - the "hey ya" seems to throw in a 2/4 into a 4/4 pattern - there are two versions of the PP song -the original Bryan Daly one and a more modern version - apart from a bit of syncopation in the intro, it seems fairly regular.

Doesn't "Poverty Knock" miss a beat in the chorus?


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Subject: anyclone help request
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 09:22 AM

Add "UK TV Music" to thread title?

~S~


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Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 09:35 AM

Should we call it "The Ballad of Postman Pat" to give a bit more credibility on a folk thread?


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From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 11:54 AM

Since nobody can agree what they're hearing, I'd better reveal what I thought I was asking!

Spot the similarity:

"|Postman Pat,|Postman Pat,|Postman Pat and his |black and white|cat..."

"|My baby doesn't|mess around because she|loves me so and this I|know for|sure..."

"|Born in the middle of the|afternoon in a|horse drawn wagon on the|old A|5..."

Count 4 for every bar, except one; the same one, too.


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Subject: RE: UK TV Music:The Postman Pat connection
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 02:00 PM

In the case of PP, isn't it just a case of delaying a beat by one count - quite a common device. Just an expressive thing.


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