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5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson

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Subject: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:14 PM

The Queen Among The Heather
My Son David
MacCrimmon's Lament
Lord Lovat
The Four Marys

no doubt others have many more.... ;>)


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: GUEST,C. Ham
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:58 PM

When I was Noo But Sweet Sixteen
The Butcher Boy
Brennan On The Moor
Go From My Window
The Gypsy Laddies


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: GUEST,Citizen Jane
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 05:35 PM

The buggered bothy
A tractor traitor
shite that's the neeps awa
yon macoll duffer's been roond
the bonny bonny banks of bonnybank


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 05:56 PM

gee, Jane.. won't you sing us a couple of those?


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Susan of DT
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 09:35 PM

My Son David
Gypsy Laddies
Auld Man Cam Courting Me
Laird o Dainty Doonby
Tak the Buckles Frae Your Sheen


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 10:58 PM

I heard her version of "Yon MacColl Duffer's Been Roond" at Fiddler's Green back in 1972, and I loved it!

"Nae Mare Haggis, Johnny!" is a great one too, as is "Wha Wull Dae Mah Sheep Wi' Auld Angus MacHagerty Deid?".


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 06:17 AM

Strange. Nobody's mentioned The Laird of Drum. In my opinion the finest ballad she ever sang.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:03 AM

Bob Davenports no 1, no2 no3 no4 no5.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:22 AM

The Five best ballad singers of all time
1] Jeannie Robertson
2] Jeannie Robertson
3] Jeannie Robertson
4] Jeannie Robertson
5] Jeannie Robertson

....followed by everyone else.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:24 AM

And I'd advise the piss-takers to have a really close listen to see what you are missing.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:53 AM

Go to http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ and type Jeannie Robertson In the search box. Listen to the many magnificent examples of her ballad singing. Then you can choose your favourite five.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: GUEST,Auldtimer
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 11:39 AM

Her daughter, Lizie Higgins, was no bad at the singing as well, Vic.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 12:02 PM

"no bad"

I'd prefer to call her "outstanding". We knew Lizzie well from the times we used to Aberdeen to see Lizzie and Brian and from the times when she used to be staying with us. We organised quite a number of folk club tours in South-East England for Lizzie (and other Scots Travellers) and our house was always her base when she was doing them.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:47 PM

I owned 2 LPs by Lizzie before I realized that she WAS Jeannie's daughter. They were both such fine singers. Just starting this thread has reminded me to search for more examples of both...


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 05:25 PM

Vic, you are entitled to an opinion, just as I am, in my opinion she was a very good singer, but then so was Harry Cox and Joseph taylor, phil tanner, I like them all.
And i would advise you Vic to drop the schoolmaster tone.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:03 PM

Well, surely we're all expressing personal preferences here, and the thread specifically relates to Jeannie so I'm quite comfortable giving my choices (without disparaging any other singers!).

In no particular order -- Harlaw, Son David, Lord Randal/Darnal, Matty Groves, Three Gypsies.

What I remember was the difference between the more driven or direct narratives (with their variety of pace and tone) and the inevitable, unwelcome doom of the repetitious, tragic ballads with their sonorous tone and ever-slowing pace.

Jeannie was a true story-teller -- she would transfix you in an audience whilst delivering a verse or two of the story before choosing the next recipient!


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:20 PM

Okay, I listened to some of her singing for the first time yesterday. Very good indeed. I regret that I, not having visited the UK, have never had the good fortune to see her do a live performance.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 06:49 PM

she has been dead many years, unfortunately.1908 - 13 March 1975.probably before you were born little hawk


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 07:32 PM

Little Hawk - very pleased that you've now heard some of her repertoire (and please note that it varied according to recording date - slowing as she got older/was persuaded of its significance).

To find the best range of her material (not all ballads), type in Kist o Riches, which is the archive of The School of Scottish Studies in Edinburgh and contains recordings of Jeannie from the 1950s (and later recordings of her daughter Lizzie Higgins -- another superb singer).


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:05 PM

You bless me with the assumed burden of far fewer years than I actually bear, GSS. ;-D I might well be as old as you, verging on old githood, in fact! I saw Bob Dylan play at Maple Leaf Gardens (in Toronto) in 1974 and 1975. Should have seen him sooner than that too...but I was just finishing high school in 1965-66, so I didn't get out to those shows. Too bad.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 06:48 AM

EKanne wrote:-
"type in Kist o Riches, which is the archive of The School of Scottish Studies in Edinburgh and contains recordings of Jeannie from the 1950s"


Actually this is the link that I provided in my post of 02 Feb 12 - 08:53 - under its Gaelic name of Tobar An Dualchais.

When you write please note that it varied according to recording date - slowing as she got older/was persuaded of its significance, you are 100% spot on. I feel that the enthomusicologists who praised Jeannie to the skies in front of her face have a lot to answer for. She slowed her songs down so that people could see the beauty of her voice rather than concentrate on just being the magnificent singer and interpreter of the tradition that she was. She also started to develop some of the behaviour associted with operatic divas.

I think that I have all of Jeannie's commercially recorded material and the most recently released, strangely enough are some of the earliest recordings of her, made by Alan Lomax at his London flat. Jeannie was never happy to be away from Scotland, indeed away from Aberdeen and I know from Jeannie herself that she was not well when they were made - but they are amongst her very finest recordings. They are on The Queen Among The Heather Rounder 11661-1720-2

In a separate posting, Ekanne wrote:-
"surely we're all expressing personal preferences here, and the thread specifically relates to Jeannie"


...and all I am trying to do here is to share a great enthusiam, which I hope that I can do without being accused of being didactic as I was earlier in this thread.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:16 AM

There's a new CD of Jeannie which has just been announced by Footstomping .

It's a reissue of an American LP and unfortunately, the blurb doesn't say which one. All I can say is it's not Songs of a Scots Tinker Lady, and it's not The Cuckoo's Nest. Definitely worth investigating.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:30 AM

Got it. The LP was called Scottish Ballads and Folk Songs, same title as the CD. Prestige Records INT 13006. Released 1960.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM

Owen Woodson wrote:-
There's a new CD of Jeannie which has just been announced.... the blurb doesn't say which one.


It was originally issued as The World's Greatest Folk Singer by Prestige International (13006) in 1960.
Recorded by Alexander Folkarde
Produced by Kenneth Goldstein
Notes by Hamish Henderson.

Another of Jeannie's great albums.

One great rarity is the final track.; Jeannie and her daughter Lizzie Higgins recorded together (as far as I know the only time that they did). The story that Lizzie told me of the almighty and very long row that she and her mother had whilst recording these simple children's songs is a really hilarious one.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:33 AM

Whoops - cross posted - but we are both right.
The sleeve says:-

SCOTTISH BALLADS


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:37 AM

Ahem - fingers misbehaving again -

Whoops - cross posted - but we are both right.
The sleeve says:-

SCOTTISH BALLADS
and FOLK SONGS by


JEANNIE ROBERTSON


"WORLD'S GREATEST FOLK SINGER"


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:52 AM

Hell, that clinches it. If Lizzie's on there as well, that's definitely my cheque in the post.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:54 AM

Well, having retrieved the above album from my vinyl shelves, I started to read the sleeve notes and they start with:-

"A monumental figure of the world's folksong" — Alan Lomax
"The inimitable mark of the great traditional singer"- Evelyn K. Wells
"A singer sweet and heroic... Our best ballad singer" — A. L. Lloyd
"The finest ballad singing... nothing like it in the States." — Marguerite Olney
"Jeannie is our greatest... there is no ballad singer to touch our Jeannie" — Calum I. Maclean


Earlier in this thread you will have read comments by EKanne and myself about how Jeannie's head was turned by comments such as these from leading academics. For a woman who lived the first 45 years of her life almost entirely within her own outcast community, we should not wonder that her approach to her songs and her singing was changed.


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Subject: RE: 5 favorite ballads by Jeannie Robertson
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 05:16 PM

I agree with Owen - "The Laird O Drum".
I always found it to be spell-binding.


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