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Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)

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Subject: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 08 Oct 99 - 09:46 AM

There is an old folk song by this name which I have come across recently, but I recall a music hall version recorded by Edward Woodward about 20 years ago ..'Champagne Charlie is my name, champagne is my game ...I'm the idle of the bar-maids, Champagne Charlie is my name'.

Is anyone familiar with either of the two versions please?

Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 08 Oct 99 - 10:01 AM

Tommy Trinder also recorde it in the thirties in a bio-pic about [I think it was] George Laybourne, the music hall star who performed it. Trinder's words are not correct, for some reason I've never understood. The original was an early example of a well-known song being annexed by the advertisers: "Only Moet's vintage satisfies this champagne swell". That's as much as I can remember!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Gene
Date: 08 Oct 99 - 09:25 PM

Do you mean the EDWARD WOODWARD/'Breaker Morant'

and 'The Equalizer' TV show?


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Oct 99 - 11:44 PM

Champagne Charlie

Albert Chevalier comes to mind here, though I certainly recall Stanley Holloway singing it, too. Out of interest, here's an early version, from the Bodleian Library broadside collection.

I've seen a deal of gaiety throughout my noisy life
With all my grand accomplishments, I ne'er could get a wife
The thing I most excel in is the P.R.P.G. game
A noise all night, in bed all day, and swimming in champagne.
For champagne Charlie is my name,
Champagne Charlie is my name,
Good for any game at night, my boys,
Good for any game at night, my boys,
Who'll come and join me in a spree.

The way I gained my title, is by a hobby which I've got,
Of never letting others pay however long the shot,
Whoever drinks at my expense, are treated all the same,
From Dukes and Lords, to Cabmen down, I make them drink champagne.
(chorus)

From coffee and from supper-room, from Poplar to Pall Mall,
The girls on seeing me exclaim, "Oh! what a champagne swell";
The notion 'tis of every one, if it were not for my name,
And causing so much to be drunk, they'd never make champagne.
(chorus)

Some epicures like burgundy, hock, claret and moselle,
But Moet's vintage only, satisfies this champagne swell.
What matter if to bed I go, and head is muddled thick,
A bottle in the morning, sets me right then very quick.
(chorus)

Perhaps you fancy what I say is nothing else but chaff,
And only does like other songs, to merely raise a laugh;
To prove that I'm not in jest, each man a bottle of cham,
I'll stand fizz round -yes that I will, and stand it- like a lamb.
(chorus)

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Oct 99 - 12:40 AM

Gene,

The very one, remember the theme song to Breaker Morant? Woodward sang it. Great voice.

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Stewie
Date: 09 Oct 99 - 01:21 AM

I have a version on a 1978 Warners LP of the same name by the irrepressible Leon Redbone - it's a lovely album with, as someone once said, 'all the ambience of old 78s' - which nicely encapsulates the quality of Redbone's music (and Robert Crumb and the Cheap Suit Serenaders as well, I reckon). Lovely! It also has one of the best covers of Jimmie Rodgers' 'TB Blues'. It has been reissued on CD.

Interestingly, a version of 'Champagne Charlie' was recorded by Blind Blake at his very last session for Paramount in June 1932. Dixon & Godrich express doubts as to whether it was Blake on that side - the other side was 'Depression's gone from me blues'. They write: 'Two different singers could be involved on this session. The first title is a vaudeville-type performance most unlike Blake's voice and material, while the second is more like a normal Blind Blake recording'. However, Don Kent, vintage record collector and blues expert, seems to have no such doubts in his notes to 'Before the Blues Vol 3' Yazoo CD 2017 ( a magnificent trilogy of CDs) on which it appears. Kent writes: 'The melody is derived from the fiddle tune 'Going Down to Town' with verses that usually appear in country songs. This is a variant that sounds as if it were created for a minstrel or vaudeville show around the turn of the century. Although Blake unleashes his typically impeccable picking skills, both the introduction and the instrumental break are reminiscent of banjo playing, which is how the song would have been initially played'.

I hope that is of use to you, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: poet
Date: 09 Oct 99 - 06:34 PM

Dont forget "Callan". the best E.W. ever.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: bigJ
Date: 10 Oct 99 - 09:34 AM

The song was written about the 1860's by George Leybourne, with music by Alfred Lee. According to Michael Kilgarriff's book 'Sing Us One of the Old Songs', the prototype for the song was the fourth Marquis of Hastings, a notorious gambler, high liver and spendthrift. Leybourne also wrote 'The Man on the Flyng Trapeze',


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 08:50 PM

I'll be sending a MIDI of this today to Mudcat MIDI's.

One small mystery is also explained in Songs From The Music Hall (Albert Publications Australia).

Music - Alfred Lee
Original Lyrics - George Leybourne
Revised Lyrics - Ernest Irving & Frank Eyton in 1944

Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: GUEST,grayforester
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM

The Blind Blake tune picked up by Leon Redbone is at best an attempt to cobble together a passable song from what parts of Leybourne's work remained in memory. There is little overlap. It's an attmpt to gain mileage out of a good title without having bothered to learn the words or tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Micca
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM

If you never found this John there is a listing here Champagne Charlie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 06:22 PM

I don't know the words but I'm sure Edward Woodward would ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 02:11 AM

dont forget Edward Woodward also starred in the
greatest british folk musical horror movie ever made..


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: alanabit
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 02:22 PM

We had quite a thread about "The Wicker Man" a while back. There was a rare old debate about the authenticity of the music and whether it was fair to Pagans etc.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 02:52 PM

The best performance I've seen by Edward Woodward was Nev in "Common as muck" where he played a dustbin man (refuse collector). He returned from America and put on several stone weight because it was a role he could not miss doing.
Quack!!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: alanabit
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 04:02 PM

I liked him in a futuristic thriller series which he made. I can't recall the title. Maybe it was called 1990. It was about a totalitarian regime taking over the UK. (So what's new?) I think his character was called Kyle, or something like that. Does anyone remember more about it?


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Subject: RE: Champagne Charlie - Old parody anyone?
From: Joybell
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 08:30 PM

Back to the song - My Mum used to sing a song using the tune of Champagne Charlie. Back in about 1910 when she was at school in Melbourne, the class had to sing it to any child who was late. She told me that it had quite an effect. Just as standing in the corner did. Ahhh the old days !!
It went:

Tardy Scholar is your name
You'll be scolded who's to blame?
See how well we know you
Then Tardy Scholar is your name.

A song-collecter friend found it in New South Wales, recently, sung by an elderly singer. Is it known anywhere else? Joy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: GUEST,Judith
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:48 AM

I can add an extra two lines which my grandmother used to sing.
    "Ah! We see you (then) at half-past eight,
    Slowly creeping to the schoolyard gate,
    Tardy Scholar is your name"
I'm not certain what, if any, word goes where I have put (then), it might be 'there' or 'now'.
Perhaps these extra lines will trigger someone else's memory.
She was born c 1886 and I remember her singing it in the 1950's


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: mikesamwild
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:56 AM

I a;ways think of this when I play The Kirkgate Hornpipe! It's got quite a lot in common. as also with Leaning on the Lampost . or is it just me?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tardy Scholar
From: GUEST,Lyn Williams
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 10:54 PM

My Gran used to sing Tardy Scholar to me in the early 50's as follows:

Tardy Scholar is your name
You are scoulded who's to blame
Always sleeping til the clock strikes 8
Slowly creeping to the school yard gate..

can't remember the rest


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: ClaireBear
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 12:12 AM

Back to Champagne Charlie for a moment...the chorus I've heard is soewhat longer and more complex than what's posted above. I rather expect the source for this version is a 1970s U.S. collection of British music hall songs (whose name and compiler I can't recall, sorry). I suspect this because where I learned it was at the Living History Centre's Dickens Christmas Fair, and that was the book (I happen to know, because I was staff librarian at the time) from which most of that group's music hall artistes got their material. Anyway, here's how it went:

For...
Champagne Charlie is my name,
Champagne drinking is my game,
Good for any game at night, my boys,
Good for any game at night, my boys,
All 'round town it is the same
By 'pop, pop, pop' I rose to fame.
Good for any game at night, my boys,
Who'll come and join me in a spree?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: ClaireBear
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:08 AM

Found the book, published in 1976 by Chappell in London and New York: Sixty years of British music hall, compiled by John M. Garrett


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: ClaireBear
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:12 AM

Check the related thread listed at the top of the page for more variants and information.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: Don Day
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 10:22 AM

Odd that someone should mention The Wicker Man. It is my theory that this film set the plot for Brass Monkey.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward
From: GUEST,Carys
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 06:11 PM

I have Edward Woodward's version as an MP3 if anyone is interested


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,Carys
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 06:33 PM

Here you go - just listened to it and as Edward Woodward has such fantastic diction I could hear every word and wrote them down for you

CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE
(recorded by Edward Woodward)

Some people go for funny drinks
and down them by the pail
like coffee cocoa tea and milk
and even Adam's ale
for my part they can keep the lot
I never would complain
I wouldn't touch the bloomin stuff
I only drink champagne

chorus
Champage Charlie is my name
Champagne drinkiing is my game
There'e no drink as good as fizz fizz fizz
I'll drink every drop there is is is
All round town it is the same
By pop pop pop I rose to fame
I'm the idol of the barmaids and
Champagne Charlie is my name

whoever drinks at my expense has no need to complain
for everyone I treat alike I make them drink champagne

chorus

the Edward Woodward version transcribed by me from the LP Edwardian Woodward


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,clara
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 06:42 AM

I have wonderful memories of Champagne Charlie and Edward Woodward. My dad used to sing around the house to his songs. My other favourite of his was "Who were you with last night". I noticed Guest,Carys has Champagne Charlie on Mp3, which I would love, and wondered if anyone had this other favourite of mine.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,ArranBrownButterfly
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 07:23 AM

I believe it was 'Champagne Charlie' which caused the Salvation Army to ask, 'Why should the devil have all the good tunes?' and so they wrote religious words to it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,Carys
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 12:00 PM

Hi Clara

I have most of Edward Woodward's LPs and have used a USB deck to transfer them to MP3, bought the LP's on Ebay quite cheaply some time ago and you can still pick them up. The one you need is Edwardian Woodward. There is a chap selling homemade CD's on Ebay but I do not think that is right.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,Fred O'Callaghan, Deansgrange, County Dublin
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 01:38 PM

My grandmother used to sing "Tardy scholar is your name" in the nineteen-thirties. I was very young at the time and, I think, used inwardly to take it somewhat personally, because punctuality at school was rather a problem with me.

Later I came to the conclusion that it was a music-hall song from my grandmother's young days. A 3/4 time version of it occurs in a lesser known Johann Strauss waltz, whose title escapes me. I think Strauss was commemorating a visit to Victorian England. I got quite a start when I first heard the waltz!

My memory of the words is very close to those quoted already, but part of the "verse" that I seem to remember (I may have filled gaps from my imagination)is:

I am scolded ev'ry day,
Why it is I cannot say,
When I reach the schoolyard gate,
Someone tells me I am late.

I'd really like to know more!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,pismotality
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 04:27 PM

For a further TWO DAYS ONLY you can watch episode two of Rude Britannia on the bbc website here. This covers the origins of music hall right up to Donald Magill's seaside postcards in the mid fifties and there is quite a lot about George Leybourne and the song Champagne Charlie. Not sure how access works outside the UK but try it. The programme is about an hour and very entertaining. The song starts about 09.40 in.

Incidentally, the Champagne Charlie biopic referred much earlier is very stylishly done, an Ealing pic directed by Cavalcanti, who also directed Went the Day Well? and Dead of Night. I saw it on the big screen a few years ago and it stands up very well. You can get it on several of the Ealing cheapo DVD box sets and probably on its own too.

Keith Michell also sang Champagne Charlie - rather than I'm Henery the Eighth, I Am - on TV on a show recorded at Wilton's Music Hall circa 1970 with Peter Sellers and others.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodwa
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 11:45 AM

For Fred O'Callaghan:

From Notes and Queries, 1923, page 359:

There was a song sung at an Infants' School in West End, Hampstead, circa 1890, which commenced:—

I am scolded every day.
How it is I cannot say.
When I reach the school-yard gate,
Some one tells me I am late.

CHORUS: "Tardy scholar" is your name.
You are scolded, who's to blame.
You are scolded, who's to blame, ha! ha! (bis).

During the chorus the children pointed a finger of scorn at an imaginary delinquent. The tune and measure of this chorus was exactly the same as that once popular song called 'Champagne Charlie is my name,' sung many years previously by very different people, and I often wondered whether any of the teachers recollected this curious coincidence.

EE NEWTON.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,Rakhee
Date: 14 May 12 - 03:23 PM

Our 4th grade teacher had taught us this and made us perform it at a school competition. I was the 'Tardy Scholar' in the performance - so here's how I still remember it in my head years later. Of course, this may have gone through some iterations from the original...

I am scolded every day / How it is, I cannot say / when I reach the schoolyard gate / someone tells me I am late!

Chorus: Tardy Scholar is your name / You are scolded everyday / Always creeping through the schoolyard gate / making faces just because you're late / tardy Scholar is your name / you are scolded everyday / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy scholar is your name.

I can spell the BA BAA / That i learnt the other day / How to figure on my slate / Yet they say I'm always late!

Chorus: You are forgetful to be sure / You are forgetful to be sure / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy scholar is your name.

That is just the way you see / All are making fun of me / Laughing at my tangled hair / No one likes me, I declare!

Chorus: Stupid fellow don't you cry / Stupid fellow don't you cry / We are making fun of you Ha! Ha! / Pray what better can we do Ha! Ha! Tardy Scholar is your name / You are scolded every day / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy Scholar is your name.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST,Trudi O,Neil
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:36 AM

The words I remember from my grandmother in Ireland in 1933

Tardy scholar is your name.If we scold you whose's to blame.
Always sleeping til the clock strikes eight Slowly creeping to the schoolyard gate.

Chorus

Tardy scholar is your name.Tardy scholar is your name.
Ah; you see how well we know you Tardy scholar is your name.

I can spell my ABC and I learned the other day how to figure on my slate.Yet they tell me I am late.

Chorus

I am scolded every day, why it is I cannot say.When I reach the schoolyard gate,still they tell me I am late.

Chorus

Stupid fellow dont you cry ,stupid fellow dont you cry.
We are making fun of you Ha Ha.Pray what better can we do Ha Ha.

Tardy scholar is your name Tardy scholar is your name.Ah you see how well we know you Tardy scholar is your name


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:01 AM

there's a good blues version of this by leon redbone. Martin Simpson also did an instrumental version of it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE (Blind Blake)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:23 AM

CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE
As sung by Blind Blake on "The Very Best of Blind Blake."

1. Went to see my true love; never been there before,
Her shoes an' stockin's in her han' an' her feet all over the floor.

CHORUS: Champagne Charlie is my name.
Champagne Charlie is my name.
Champagne Charlie is my name, by golly,
An' roguin' an' stealin' is my game.

2. I went down to Louisville an' I hain't been there before,
An' a great big bully knocked me down an' I betn't go back no more.

3. I went to see a young lady; I hain't been there before.
She feed me {out o' my boat big chalk} an' I ain't going back no more.

4. I got drunk last night an' all the night before,
An' I ain't gonna get—no more an' I ain't comin' back no—.


NOTES: "Charlie" approximately rhymes with "golly."
I think "betn't" might mean "better not" or "bet I won't."
{ …} I spelled these words phonetically; I have no idea what they really are.
Dashes in verse 4 represent pauses where Blake deliberately skips a word.
Leon Redbone's version is similar but he changes the words a bit and he is even less intelligible.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 01:58 PM

Hi Cary's
Can you please tell me where I can purchase the MP3 version of Edward Woodward singing Champagne Charlie? I have searched all the sites I am aware of.
Many thanks
Lizzieliza


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 02:11 PM

Hi all.
I just posted a message asking where I can get an MP3 version of Champagne Charlie. Further to that, if anyone knows of a site where I can listen to Edward's version in the meantime I'd much appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Lizzieliza


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