BBC Folk Awards winners?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 01:03 PM

I'd love to see the BBC release a dvd of June singing "Lili Marlene" on "The Daughters Of Albion" presentation.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:15 AM

I suppose my point, not very well made, was that there are probably lots of reasons why June won, and why the others were nominated, but we don't know what they are.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:14 AM

Overall I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed what I saw. Missed most of the second half due to a slight domestic crisis but I'll watch it later. It was great to hear the various digs at our neo-Thatcher shit of a government. I loved the applause from Lucy Ward and her parents, Tony and Chris, when the erstwhile Mr Tams was holding forth with his usual articulate gusto. Listen to her brilliant new single, 'For the Dead Men', and you'll see why:

Lucy Ward - For the Dead Men

That's what folk is all about!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Western Suze
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:00 AM

"I don't begrudge June Tabor her "Folk Singer of the Year" award in the slightest, she's one of my all-time favorites, but what's she done this year that's so special? "

A solo album called Ashore as well. 2011 was a very productive year for JT. In a way it's a shame that Ragged Kingdom obliterated her own album in the awards for the year, but sort of inevitable when the former is such a superb collaboration.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:52 AM

Radio 2 prog. at:

http://www.mediafire.com/?w0ksgmw4zz3eic3

Dubliner's 50 tribute at:

http://www.mediafire.com/?4r1t52a3idov4yk

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,SteveG
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:49 AM

I wouldn't normally go anywhere near this sort of media hype, but looked in to see what they'd say about Malcolm Taylor (another well deserved honour among all the others). I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the show. There were some worthy winners, and good to see one of the youngsters, Bella Hardy, get something.

I actually enjoyed the Ian Campbell tribute. I thought at first his response was going to be a political diatribe, but found it quite amusing, especially when he sang. Nice one.

I was also pleased to see, although nominated, the Emperor's New Clothes didn't win anything.

The Don MacClean fiasco was about what I'd expect to see from this sort of show.

Hitherto not a big fan of June Tabor, but she has gone way up in my estimation on this showing.

Well done to Oyster and the Dubs, and John Tams who is now an 'actore' and is turning into a MacColl clone. Only joking.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:43 AM

t least Ian Campbell dressed for the occasion unlike Christy Moore who looked like he'd just come in from walking the dog."
Some of us put on a suit and tie to walk the dog

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Stu
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:23 AM

I enjoyed watching on TV. A shame Pilgrims' Way didn't win the Horizon award (but then I'm biased) and very pleased Isocaid won the Young Folk award, I know the fiddle player's uncle and he's an exceptional musician as is Niall himself, and they both come from a long tradition of, er, traditional musicians.

As for the anti-tory digs, quite right too. It was on the red button after all.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:14 AM

So unfair to criticise Don MacClean....... he learned at the feet of Les Dawson.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:54 AM

Video and audio now on BBC iPlayer at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01byn6w/BBC_Radio_2_Folk_Awards_08_02_2012/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01bljzz/BBC_Radio_2_Folk_Awards_Radio_2_Folk_Awards_2012/

Can be viewed at or listened to at these web sites or downloaded using get_iplayer (use the above links and then click on Record).

If overseas use ExpatShield (or commensurate app.) first.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: evansakes
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:32 AM

Agreed, Bonzo...a few people have made comments about how disappointing they were at Cambridge but in my view they were astonishingly good at Shrewsbury. Not just me either....they nearly lifted the roof off the tent. Easily the best live set I saw last year...

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:21 AM

John Tams always gets his rather tiresome anti Conservative dig in - almost a gimmick I think, but the Home Service award was spot on.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,John Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:53 AM

Great that Steve Tilston got some more recognition for his work - a fine singer, songwriter and musician.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:52 AM

And touring with the band performing all that best stuff...

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:47 AM

Rather than worrying about who the judges are, it would be far more interesting to know the criteria for the different categories.

I don't begrudge June Tabor her "Folk Singer of the Year" award in the slightest, she's one of my all-time favorites, but what's she done this year that's so special? Apart from appearing on the "Best Album" with the "Best Group" performing the "Best Traditional Track"...

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: C Stuart Cook
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:33 AM

Bill Leaders award was a fantastic moment. Just possibly the greatest wizard at the back of countless artists there has ever been. Young Mike nearly crumbling was understandable in the circumstances.

I think Stu Mac's dedication was superb not so much for what he was saying to us but in terms of telling outsiders present/listening what the calibre of people from the folk world are. I still think Lorna Campbell is one of the best female singers I've ever heard.

At least Ian Campbell dressed for the occasion unlike Christy Moore who looked like he'd just come in from walking the dog.

Whatever the heated discussions around the awards I was glad to be be able to watch it. I can't say I really heard anything that would have grabbed me if I wasn't already out of the folk world.

What does worry me is the disparity between what I see and hear in my little folk world. I can't see Pete Coe, Steve Turner, Brian Peters, Harvey Andrews, Vin Garbutt, Phil Hare, Bram Taylor, Gary & Vera Aspey, Bernard Wrigley and countless others ever really getting much of a look in if the format stays as it is. Stanley Accrington at least got into the stalls but will hever get any nearer the stage? I doubt it, but I'd bet he'd make a presenter to remember if MH ever had to cry off sick.

John Tams got his little anti Conservative political dig in, but where was he when the two B's and their henchmen were destroying our society and going to war on smokey lies.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 06:42 AM

Reinhard
Tim Edy hails from Broadstairs a small town on the South coast of England where nothing much happens except a week long folk festival. He started when knee high playing piano accordian, moved onto melodeon, but despite our attempts to encourge his plying of English music, his main passion was for the Irish. He used to play a lot and be quite shy. Since then he's developed a lovely stage personality and proficiency in other instruments, and sings a bit. Met up with him again at the Sheltland festival last year where he had taken some youngsters under his wing.
Hope this potted bio is helpful.
FloraG

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:40 AM

And didn`t Stuart MacConie go on a bit with his waffle?. I have a great deal of time for him but his eulogy regarding Ian Campbell, being the peoples champion was bit toe curling because Mr.Campbell was not the only one to sing songs reflecting the modern life and times.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:47 AM

There wasn't any feedback during Don MacLean's set (or at any time. In fairness, trying to sing to an out-of-tune guitar can be very difficult, but I've no idea what he was doing with the vocals in the frst song - it sounded very strange.

What surprised me most was that he didn't immediately retune - it seemed to be almost an afterthought when he tweaked the worst string just before starting his second song, which was better but nothing special.

I don't see why he shouldn't be criticised. He's just been given a Lifetime Achievement Award, and then delivers a performance which would have been embarrassing from a floorspot in a second-rate folk club. All the other performers were spot-on. Apart from DM, it was a brilliant show.

There's a theory that the Folk Awards have to include a Famous Singer to attract attention from outside the folk world. My theory is they're there to show just how good the real folk talent is.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Splott Man
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:40 AM

Great interview with McClean on Simon Mayo's programme prior to the awards programme. Several songs too. he had the Dubliners too.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 02:58 AM

please don't take shots at any of the artists. We don't know what is going on in any case. Perhaps the feedback interfered with hearing the tuning. Perhaps his own hearing is failing. I know mine is.

It was unfortunate. I am sure Mr Mclean himself was not happy about it.

Echoing you Steve Shaw on the Unthanks though. The mix of their, voices, that brass band and the song was just spine tingling wonderful. I love it when music make endorphins.

Well done to June and Oysterband. The Tabor / Jones voice blend is marvelous. Now I want to learn Our Captain Cried All Hands.

And I am so excited about Sidmouth. I will have tickets to their show. Bit worried that as a steward I might have to chose between Tabor and Oysterband and Eliza, Norma and Martin (The Gift Band). I need a clone.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 07:12 PM

Just back from the awards too. I agree it was a very enjoyable evening.

Again, the Donovan Award goes to ... Don McLean. I guess he hasn't had to tune his guitar himself for 40 years.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:34 PM

Unless you have bloody cloth ears, Don MacClean's guitar was very very very very out of tune in the first song (in which he also made some unforced, peculiar whining noises at the ends of phrases), but only very very out of tune in the second. He tweaked one string only in a very cursory manner 'twixt songs. Incredibly unprofessional, and, for me, a 30-year-old dream shattered! :-( Shall we dub it "the Donovan effect"?

But the Unthanks with the brass band were sublime. Utterly perfect. I had a pot at 'em a while ago for putting on gigs at which you couldn't sit down. All is forgiven! And the Dubs of course. Wonderful!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: John J
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:33 PM

Just got home from the awards - a very enjoyable evening.

JJ

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:21 PM

I was listening any way mate !

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: bradfordian
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:07 PM

And well done Terry, cheers!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: bradfordian
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:06 PM

And Ewan McCol's Dirty Old Town sung by the Dubliners to finish off with. Fittingly appropriate.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:00 PM

BBC Radio 2 Lifetime Achievement Award - The Dubliners

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:52 PM

June Tabor - Folk Singer of the year - or any year!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:52 PM

Folk Singer of the Year - June Tabor .

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:48 PM

Best Original Song - Joint Winners Bella Hardy and Steve Tilston .
The Herring Girl and The Reckoning .

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:43 PM

June and Oysterband singing now Our Captain Cried All Hands... wonderful

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:38 PM

And the old bugger can still sing too !

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:33 PM

Second Good Tradition Award - Ian Campbell !!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: matt milton
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:28 PM

I don't understand how Don McLean's guitar could've been out of tune on his first song then in tune on his second song. Surely Don McLean only HAS one song, right?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Reinhard
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:28 PM

If this goes on, June will be folk singer on the year too...

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:26 PM

Best Group - June Tabor & Oyster Band

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:17 PM

Best Album - June Tabor & Oyster Band - Ragged Kingdom

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:12 PM

Thanks Reinhard ! Never seen it written !

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:10 PM

Well done, Lucy. Always knew you'd do it.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

Good Tradition Award - Bill Leader !!!!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Reinhard
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

They're spelled Ioscaid

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:08 PM

However it is spelt, they are just another Irish diddly diddly band.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:05 PM

Young Folk Award - Iskitch - Or however its spelt !!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:01 PM

I heart the Unthanks. Performing with Brighouse and Rastrick Brass Band - The King of Rome. Simply perfect.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:00 PM

Sorry for typo - should have read "excruciating".

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:44 PM

Blair Dunlop was excellent.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:33 PM

yes... But it is live radio and I guess he was told he must stick to the time. I am watching the show on Freeview 301 and I could tell by his facial expression he wasn't happy with the tuning. Tuning was fine for second song.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:25 PM

Don Mclean's guitar seriously out of tune.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards winners?
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:25 PM

Oh my God, that's just what I was going to say. Excrutiating! Surely he must have noticed - why didn't he just stop at the beginning and start again? Toe curling...