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Subject: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 07:56 PM

Well, well, well...

Seems that a former White House intern is spilling the beans about an 18 month affair with JFK... She was like 18 and he was 40 something but never mind all that (unless ya'll want to talk about other stuiff) but...

...this woman says that JFK had rubber duckies that he liked to play with while he and the intern were in the bath tub together...

Now that brings us to the interesting question... I have it on good sources that many of ya'll have sex toys so I figured that I'd give ya'll an opportunity to come clean... Nothin' worse than havin' to be outed... The truth will set you free...

So, folks this thread is for you... Prolly save you thousands in couch time at the corner shrink's office... Yer welcome, BTW...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 08:10 PM

I want a sex toy. I am thinkin early 40s with a nice smile, intelligent and a sense of humour. But, that's just a dream, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 08:17 PM

Under the right circumstances I might consider being a sex toy, although at my age it would have to be for an appropriately "gentle" playmate.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 10:11 PM

I used to be a sex toy but I broke.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 10:20 PM

"...so I figured that I'd give ya'll an opportunity to come clean..."

After you, Bob...

naawww...never mind. I used to sell sex toys, and I never saw any that I thought would be fun...(actually...we didn't sell many- mostly books & movies)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 10:46 PM

Heck, Bill...Yer all be in the "sex toys" business... You first...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 11:05 PM

Are sex toys related to Tolstoys?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 11:06 PM

Or marvelous toys?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:17 AM

It went "Zip" when it moved, and "Bop" when it stopped,
And "Whirrr" when it went in.
I never knew just what it was and I confess made a sin.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Michael
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 06:37 AM

Sex toys are just a wind-up.

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 06:48 AM

I think she's takin' the weekend off . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:28 AM

I used to be a toy but alas I lost my squeak.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:51 AM

The most effective sex toy is the brain.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: kendall
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:32 AM

JFK is long dead, so he can't defend himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:44 AM

I have an inflatable reindeer left over from Christmas decorating season.

It's not anatomically correct so I can't actually have intercourse with it, but I sometimes tie it to the bed and scream, "Who's your Santa?" in its face.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:46 AM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bert
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:48 AM

...The most effective sex toy is the brain....

I don't stand a chance then.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: olddude
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 01:25 PM

no wonder he had such a bad back


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: olddude
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 01:27 PM

come to think of it, I have a bad back ... hmmmmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 01:50 PM

9... "I think she's takin' the weekend off . . . "

What the heck is she gonna do with that thing? Are there any pics of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 02:03 PM

I agree with those who don't quite believe... It could just as easily - and perhaps more believably - been an associate of Kennedy's. If the woman had an "affair" with JFK I suspect it was strictly an on-call function- and that's not an affair. Not "romantic"? No kissing? I'm surprised that she had the guts to admit it.

She claims she was 19 when this "affair" began- what? She had no upbringin'? She had no idea that it was not only wrong to accede to a married man but unseemly? And she claims she was virgin? Fat chance.

At least Monica never claimed to be new at it.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:29 PM

I agree with Ebbie actually ... seems a bit strange to me


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:36 PM

""I have an inflatable reindeer left over from Christmas decorating season"".


I seem to recall a Mudcat fellow who had an amiable (inflatable) lobster, a year or so back, that succumed to a suspicious death?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:37 PM

Makin money? Monica got $3M. For $3M, I... nevermind.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 03:57 PM

LYR ADD:

Artist: Shel Silverstein lyrics
Title: The Man Who Turns The Damn Thing Off And On

The world's not what it used to be
In love or war or industry.
We face the harsh reality
That this sweet land of liberty
Now contemplates eternity
Plugged into electricity
And programmed by technology
For maximum efficiency.
For instance, see
What happened to me...
When I went down to the factory,

I said, "Hey, you got any job for me?"
They said, "Son, the days of the workin' man
Are dead and gone.
"They said, "Computer now does everything
But there does happen to be one opening
For the man who'll turn the damn thing off and on."

Now I'm the man who turns the damn thing off and on.
I give it a twist in the evening like this
And a little bitty flick at dawn.
I know I should be overjoyed.
I'm the only one in town employed.
I'm the man who turns the damn thing off and on.

So, feelin' exhausted from my first day's labor,
I went home to see my baby.
She was lyin' in bed with a smile on her face,
And I heard a buzzin' sound.

She said, "I don't need no mortal men.
This vibrator does the work of ten,
But since you're so in love with me,
I'll let you stick around
And be the man who turns the damn thing off and on.

"I give it a twist in the evening like this
And a little bitty flick at dawn.
I know I should be gratified...
She lets me lie here by her side
And be the man who turns the damn thing off and on.


B.O.B = "Battery Operated Boy"

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Raedwulf
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:04 PM

How disappointing. I was expecting to hear that JFK was having an affair with LHR (Heathrow); the sex toys in question presumably being jumbo jets, Concorde being too painful, and the Airbus having cracked.

Mudcat, you're just no fun any more...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

I walk up and down my cul-de-sac most evenings. At the end of the street, one can walk into a parking lot and there is a store called Sister Sarah's. About a year ago, after havin a few ales watchin sports on the weekend, I went for my walk. I thought, what the hell. I went in and walked up and down the aisles. I laughed at half of the stuff and gasped at the other half.

I shouldn't get too graphic but, at one point, I saw something that two young ladies were looking at and thought, "That fits?" And it was not a dildo. It was a replica of a human arm from the elbow to the fingertips with the fingertips touching. WTF?

I stopped to talk to the older ("mature" is PC, now?) lady at the cash. I asked her if she did a fair business selling this stuff. She said I'd be surprised. I was very surprised. And, I ain't no prude. Whatever floats yer boat, eh? But... an arm?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:25 PM

Strange that you mantioned that gnu. A couple of women that I know at work, (who are partners)were laughing one day in the cafeteria. They were telling a story the fun they once had at a sex shop. They said they were saying outlandish things to try and startle the "horny old guys" sheepishly browsing through the sex toys in the shop.

I am not saying that it happened to you. But, if it was that much "out of whack", you may have been a target for something like that?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:02 PM

I was kinda expecting a couple "Resusci Anne" stories but, holy poo, Beezer??? An inflatable raindeer???

You be da' man, brother!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:23 PM

it's come to this?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:44 PM

No, it's come to THIS - or once did.. I hear they use electricity now..."and the whole thing was run by steam"

Human ingenuity knows few bounds.....


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:59 PM

Yer link is "forbidden", Bill... At least fir me... Maybe I've hit my monthly limit, er somethin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:41 AM

Steam Driven Sex Machine

But Bill D will have to tell us if this is the same one.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JennieG
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:52 AM

My goodness.....my ghast is well and truly flabbered......

Just the thought of some of those....gadgets.....brings tears to one's eyes.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 02:00 AM

So many guys speculating on the subject, none (except for BWL) admitting to any personal experience. :)

Antique Vibrator Museum. You'll be surprised.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 12:49 PM

Ed T... there were two dozen of those things on the shelf so SOMEbody's buyin em. And that wasn't the strangest thing I saw... strange to me, anyway.

Wesley S... "The most effective sex toy is the brain."

Yup. If I was inclined to get a doll, I'd get a talking doll. I wonder if they have rentals. (Yes, I agree - that was too far.)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 12:56 PM

I once explained to my very prudish, innocent and African Muslim husband that in the West men sometimes buy inflatable ladies for use when they're all alone. His eyes were like saucers. He asked what would happen if 'she' suddenly got a puncture? Would 'she' explode or just gently deflate? I'm sure he still doesn't quite believe me.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:06 PM

Stilly has posted the link to the shop, but you can go more directly to the museum at Good Vibrations Museum (or click the museum link on the page Stilly's link gets you).

"Good Vibrations" is also the title of a book that I believe was written by one of the owners/operators of the shop. The book is lightly "scholarly" and gives an excellent perspective on the history of "things that go bzzzz." I recommend that anyone with any (serious?) interest at all in early medical practice should at least skim through the book, since most of the earliest machines were developed specifically for use by members of the medical professions.

The vibrating tools used by physicians (in the US, up until perhaps the mid 1940s(?)) for the relief of "womens' hysteria" overlap with very similar devices intended for more general kinds of "muscle massage," and for a brief time in the late 40s and early 50s a number of barbers used something of the kind for a "neck massage" as a final extra benefit with a haircut. The muscle massage devices were also used around the same era by many chiropractic practitioners, although I don't know whether any in that line still make much use of them.

Sometime around 1954 or so, the "taint" of the "sexual therapy" uses attached to the more general massage devices, and ill-founded fear of "injury to delicate tissues" resulted in a reduction in the "aggressiveness" of all vibrating devices for non-professional use. For that reason, it is no longer possible to acquire a "massage vibrator" that actually vibrates although there are numerous devices that "slightly hum." Most of the ones available on open markets are also tricked out with appendages and accessories that make them less than useful for any purpose.

(I have a 1948 model Wahl "barbershop massage vibrator" that is incredibly effective for deep muscle cramps, and every one subject to night time leg cramps would benefit from having one of these handy - but you can't get one because the model was discontinued in 1949 and "lookalike" models produced since then are almost completely ineffective, except perhaps as a "hum drone" while you sing yourself to sleep(?). They don't VIBRATE!, they only hummmmm gently.)

Certain of the simpler "sex toys" can be used as very effective aids by people whose physical conditions prevent, or seriously limit, normal (ordinary is a better word?) sexually related activities. People with "normal" physical capabilities may also find them helpful for "adding a little extra" when, as it inevitably does, it gets a little boring doing the same old same old without some element of experimentation and variety.

It is unfortunate that prudery prevents the most elementary of these from being available in open markets, and for decades the only place to get appropriate ones has been at places considered "porn shops." It also is very difficult to find a medical practitioner willing (or able) to offer any useful advice on how to obtain, and more importantly how to use, any of them.

An additional unfortunate tendency, noted in my area in the last decade, is the migration of "toys" stocked and sold by "the usual dealers" to more and more bizarre - and useless - devices.

A majority of devices seen at website advertisers are appropriate - and intended - only for "display" a. la. porn movies, where their bizarre features can "pretend to do" something that's more akin to political advertising than to actual sexual activity. Many of them have no use, even in a porn movie, except within the "BDSM" cultures(?). They're stocked, and advertised aggressively, primarily because the ignorant and warped customers have more money that they're willing to spend than the more serious (conservative?) people who might just want "a little bit of help."

Lots of quite ordinary people probably could benefit from a little awareness, and perhaps even a little experimentation with the simple stuff. I don't know of any of my friends who routinely chain their mates to a wall (upside down?), but then I don't know - and don't much care - what they find pleasurable in their own relationships.

[Yeah, I know, more than you wanted to know.]

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:14 PM

No, John. It's good to get things out in the open.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:15 PM

"No, John. It's good to get things out in the open."

NOT on the #11 bus!


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:30 PM

John, from here it looks like the link goes to the same place.

It is interesting reading, how these things evolved. Wahl was the first company to make a device specifically intended for the consumer market.

I was watching the old British drama of The Jewel in the Crown a few weeks back, and there is a scene when the younger sister Susan has had a mental breakdown. At the first social occasion where she can go out the doctor is also there, and he is asked what his approach to psychological cure is. He explains he is an adherent of Dr. Reich. There are a few raised eyebrows. It was later when I was reading a long review for a recently released film (the one with Freud and Jung) that there was a discussion of Reich and how he strongly felt the orgasm was the cure for many emotional and mental illnesses. One does wonder what cure young Susan was going through - I'm surprised the eyebrows didn't rise further in the drama. Perhaps it was a retro thing - by the 1990s when it was made they decided it didn't merit a big response, or didn't think about it much at all.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Greg B
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:44 PM

Oh so this was it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIl8JMkPylM


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:44 PM

SRS... "there was a discussion of Reich and how he strongly felt the orgasm was the cure for many emotional and mental illnesses."

That is quite interesting. I haven't read any of these dissertations. What comes to my mind's question immediately is if this postulate is based solely on the sexual act or the act within a committed relationship with caring and affection involved.

And, yes, it is Friday night and I was gonna make a rude joke but, ... hey? what's wrong with me? Maybe I need to...


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 09:28 PM

I wonder if it's Bobert's 'southern' ISP that marked that link forbidden... or some setting in his browser.

JiK had it right... (and, no...I will not find links to the 'modern' ones, but you can bet there are plenty out there.) The rule is:
~If you can invent something to appeal to people's prurient interest, you WILL make money.~ If it works directly, you can name yer price..


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 10:25 PM

Gnu... I suspect you've never heard of "fisting".

I won't post a link here, but -- for anyone interested -- Wikipedia has an entry (so to speak) on the subject...


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 11:17 PM

Bill D -

I also got the "forbidden" message for your link. You've probably got the cookie on your computer that shows that you're a registered member(?).

Stilly -

The page that opened for me when I clicked your link showed links to the museum, and also the couple or three "periods" displayed in the museum, but then went directly to the "current products." When I clicked it again just now, it did go to the page with the museum blurb, so maybe it was just a glitch in what loaded on my first click.

You do still have to click to see example products from the different periods in the museum. (And there's a lot more in the book.)

I've never been all that much of a fan of Reich, so I don't know that the "relief of sexual tension" was actually a major part of his kit; but what was likely a majority of "general practicioners" were expected to treat "female hysteria" (a euphemism for "horniness" although no one recognized it as such then?) via "massaging until the tension went away." This could be a very time-consuming treatment, for relatively little return; but was a regular part of the practice for many doctors - at least for some of their patients. Improperly, or impatiently done, it could also result in "irritations" that didn't make for fully satisfied patients, so the physicians were quite happy when "mechanical methods" began to be available.

Medical codes of ethics began deprecating the practice probably in the middle or late '30s, although the detailed instructions mostly disappeared from the text books a little before then - at least from the ones I've come across. (Sometimes the descriptions were in separate "addenda" to the text books, since there was a real problem with openly discussing anything of the kind, even though the doctors were expected to know how. The "addenda" may be so seldom found in old book stores 'cause the doc's kids stole 'em to snigger over out in the barn.) The ethics codes (and some laws) generally prohibited such treatments by early in the 40s, although "customer demand" probably continued for a while beyond that. If a "sexual" function of the "relief" was recognized by those providing treatment, it was well disguised; and certainly the patients were not generally told that "hubby could do it better." (And given the state of knowledge - and attitudes - then, he probably couldn't.)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 12:41 PM

Here is a link to the New Yorker article. Sept. 19, 2011, p. 84-7. It's an essay review of Christopher Turner's Adventures in the Orgasmatron: How the Sexual Revolution Came to America. And Deborah Lutz' Pleasure Bound.

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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: frogprince
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 01:34 PM

Once in a past life I got fished into multi-level marketing for a bit. It was almost worth it for what happened at one "pep meeting". A young married woman was giving a presentation on a household disinfectant to a fairly large crowd. When she said "it kills all sorts of orgasms", there was a heartbeat or two, then a voice that said "oh, I hope not", and then the laughter about blew the roof off the place. She was doubled over the podium for awhile with her face buried in her arms before she could brace herself to face the crowd again.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 03:45 PM

YY... actually, I have heard of "fisting". Just dunno anyone without two arms that could use a fake arm. If you had no arms, would you ask a handyman to mount it so you could use it? Even if it was permanently mounted, how could someone without arms keep it clean?

Oh... maybe it's for fat people that can't shove their own... ewwww. I guess I have led a sheltered sexlife. Seriously... ewwww.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 04:26 PM

gnu -

If you're gonna use your own fist it would seem to be common courtesy to get a decent manicure first - and every time. With a mechanical device, you can keep it always freshly clean and polished so that it's always ready.

And you wouldn't have arguments about whose fist is too large (or too small), one would expect.

Despite what appears to be a fairly common appearance in certain kinds of porn movies, based just on titles seen, I find it difficult to believe that it's not a pretty rare thing in "private practices;" but there's little published (in formal medical circles) that comments on that particular stunt.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 04:34 PM

Double ewww.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 06:00 PM

"...that particular stunt."

ummm... I remember 35 years ago when I worked at that 'adult' bookstore, we had some 35MM movies, and one featured 'that particular stunt'.... between gay men. As far as I remember, it never sold in the 2 1/2 years I was there. The cover image showed a can of Crisco beside them......somehow, I was not even tempted to watch it.

"De gustibus non disputandem"

as Gnu says...ewww...


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 06:18 PM

Sexual relations and love between any two (or more) people of any of the four genders does not ewww me in any way. But sex with a plastic arm creeps me out almost as much as violent sex which I just can't imagine.

I have far more a tendency toward gentle, caring sex between two people who truly love each other. Of course, if I had an Oval Office and she was gentle... but, I ain't got no $3M bucks.

BTW... for $3M he shoulda been able to stop her from describing his dick as being the thickness of a roll of quarters. I mean, come on eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 06:28 PM

Stilly mentions Adventures in the Orgasmatron. Wasn't that the name of the torture machine in which the mad scientist tried to destroy Barbarella?

(For those who didn't see the movie, the machine blew up 'cause it couldn't keep up with her.)

There have been a number of scholarly books on various "sex cultures" and aspects therof, mostly ignored by press and public.

For casual study by those who only want to be "a little bit informed" among the best are a couple of Playboy special publications that give serious information and discussions of history, cultural influences, and such, with actually very little "risque" content. It's been a few years since the last time I saw one on a magazine stand, and I'd have to look up an accurate title, but they shouldn't be hard to find or to recognize.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 06:49 PM

I actually did READ Playboy. The pics were not much of a turn-on although that is why I bnought it in the first place, but I eventually, as an adult, bought the magazine for the articles, interviews and the humour. Back then, candid interviews with presidents, (Castro interview was cool), artists, even killers like Gary Gillmore... on and on... were fascinating to me. You could not find such detalied interviews elsewhere. The editorials, letters to the editor, health articles, political discussions, legal dicussions, human rights issues discussions... top notch. Playboy, sold with tits and ass, kicked ass in getting the average horny Americam male to THINK.

Hef did a great service in educating a lot of people... millions. Tits and ass was the least of his contributions. It was just a "stepping stone" to his real contributions to our society. I hope he gets a medal for his service. Seriously, Playboy magazine was not just tits and ass. Serious journalism... top notch.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 10:04 AM

Large items inserted where they were never intended to go can cause injury, ie fistula, splitting, or tearing of sensitive tissue. Can't myself see the pleasure in that! Much prefer gnu's concept of 'gentle caring sex between two people who truly love eachother'. Well said, gnu!


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 05:35 PM

As Steve Martin said (approximately, anyhow) years ago, "I believe that love is the purest, most beautiful thing that money can buy".


(Another clip from that routine: " I believe that every woman should be put on a pedestal...so you can see up her skirt")


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 06:17 PM

JFK's daddy, inferring that he had a Y chromosome, brought him up to be a stud.

On the other hand, it turned out that he was not Richard Nixon -- a virtue that many came to appreciate.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 07:12 AM

Good, good, good vibrations...

...and refresh...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM

Those who object that the story of a relationship with JFK isn't believable must just be too young to remember ... although I'm a bit surprised by a couple of people here I thought were a little older than it now seems.

Maybe they were there then, but just don't remember ... .

Perhaps some don't realize that one of the "advantages" JFK had in the campaign was that he was significantly younger than nearly all past presidents, and voters were in a "phase" of hoping that "young blood" would "save the nation" ... from something or other. "Youthful dalliances" were not a particularly negative factor in public opinion for JFK.

Many of us who were adult enough that we didn't require parental protections from "the rumors" were quite well aware of the "Kennedy family pleasures," and for the most part were neither surprised nor offended when the latest rumors were circulated.

The "family" as a whole was politely discreet, but the "social recreations" of several of the clan members were accepted as an obvious thing, although their discretion left about as much to the imagination as was actually confirmed. The news media was more "polite" then, and later evidence has indicated that the media "buried" a number of confirmable escapades (for a time) out of "respect for the office." (And perhaps out of expectation that "the old man" might provide a pair of concrete boots for you if you really offended the family honor? - although that was probably(?) a mythic belief.)

From the few pictures of the young lady recently shown from the time this is claimed to have happened, I would not say she was a "rare beauty" but certainly was attractive enough to have been "interesting." (In my opinion, she's better looking now - for such a kid.)

Unless you've had contact with a few "finishing school" students and/or graduates, it's unlikely you'd be able to fully appreciate the "type," and predictions about what moral and ethical considerations would be factors in their behavior are likely to miss the mark, sometimes spectacularly. My experience in that area is somewhat limited, and contacts were with those from other, but similar, schools; but I would warn strenuously against projecting your own "ethic" regarding what should be done or what would have been done onto others of that time and especially for those "of that kind."

The "accusation," if you wish to call it that, is perfectly plausible. It really does nothing to tarnish or embellish any reputation that existed and was well known (and largely accepted) by the majority of aware people at that time.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 07:57 PM

Agree 100%, John...

Hey, it was only sex... Wasn't like JFK dumped Jackie for this woman or flaunted their relationship...

Americans used to be a lot more accepting before the fundamentalist and American Taliban started their judgmentalism and preachin' down at the masses while doing the stuff that the preacher told 'um not to do...

Makes me sick...

I mean, I remember back in the 60's and our family was having one of those pot luck get togethers with our parents friends, one of which was a fine artist and the parents were in the living room and Will Anderson, the artist, drew a picture of my mom, who was sitting across the room as if she were nude... All the grown ups laughed as the drawing was passed around the room and the kids, well, we saw the picture and might have gone "yuck" and then gone back to playing "kids"...

If something like happened today there would be arrests and psychologists and lawyers and "60 Minutes" and, and...

Fuck, people... It's only sex...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 08:45 PM

The Kennedys got off pretty easily, since nobody was either surprised or very upset.

It may be that the Johnson family started the downward descent, since some of the family shenanigans made a Quantrill raid look like a sorority social by comparison; but most of the (known) notorious stuff happened after Lyndon died and nobody really cared by then.

On the other hand, maybe nobody cared enough what the Johnson family did to even notice much of it then.

There were comments "way back when" that pointed out that the Kennedys cared enough to avoid notice, while the Johnsons flaunted their behavour and relied on suppressing notice - - - but that's a different subject for later, maybe.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 03:18 PM

JiK... "The Kennedys got off pretty easily..."

Apparently not, according to the rumours. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 03:26 PM

yeah, gnu. I was referring to the "social impact." I guess I'm still a bit stuck in the time when "gentlemen" didn't much talk about the "performance issues," even with each other. (And when quite a few people at least pretended to be gentlemen, which is now pretty much a lost art.)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 03:29 PM

JohninKansas, I don't particularly remember any (sexual) scandals involving LBJ's family. I am assuming you refer to his daughters and perhaps Lady Bird.

I am aware that Johnson had the reputation of being a womanizer; nothing new there.

I think we can cancel Mrs. Johnson from the equation - I have never heard any rumors of her. As for their daughters, they were young but certainly no wilder than the George W twins.

So what "family shenanigans" are we talking about?


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 05:42 PM

Johnson a womanizer??? Musta had a bunch of blind women back then... I mean, Lyndon was so ugly that he'd make a freight train jump tracks and take a dirt road...

Plus, Lyndon was a slob...

Lady Bird should have gained sainthood for putting up with that vulgar man...

BTW, I did like his "scar Picture" that was in Life magazine... Real presidential and...

...hey kid... Pull my finger...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:07 PM

While Johnson probably had a few "experiences," they weren't much known, and so far as I heard, Lady Bird was a reasonably decent sort who didn't generate much in the way of "interesting" stories. Most of the "titilating" stories related to the daughters, although there were a few (not sexual) stories about the grandkid. I doubt that the Bush girls came close to some of what the young birds reportedly did, but it's never easy to tell whether it's how much you know (so you can tell whether you've heard it all) or who you know to know it from (so you can tell whether it's probably true).

If you didn't hear them then, there's no real reason to hash through them now. The summary explanation might be that the daughters were rather "undisciplined," with an unusually adventurous (experimental?) streak.

There is pretty good documentation that Lyndon "wasn't a very nice man" but most of that was as much about his politics as about his personality. On the personality side, holding a press conference while taking a crap isn't exactly conventional diplomacy; but the people involved pretty much accepted that as "just the way he was."

John


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:21 PM

Bobert... "BTW, I did like his "scar Picture" that was in Life magazine"

I liked the doctored pic in Mad Mag (?) where he had a map with SE Asia on his gut and the caption was about cutting off Nam and Laos.


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:45 PM

Hey, Lady Bird is okay in my book... Used to be that driving into DC from Virginia was like driving thru some scene from "Blade Runner" or "Mad Max After the Thunderdome"... I mean, disgusting... Old tires and trash on both sides of the Potomac... Lady Bird said, "This is some messed up shit" or something like that and got lyndon to clean it up... Today, both sides of the river are clean and places to be proud of...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: JFK, Affairs & Sex Toys???
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 11:18 PM

"Lady Bird was a reasonably decent sort" Wow, JiK. Unless you have information of a more intimate sort than most of the country does, I think that statement reeks.


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