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Subject: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 05:01 AM

Just seen a recording of her singing Rolling in the Deep at the Grammy Awards - she is an amazing singer!!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 08:35 AM

Thankfully she doesn't speak!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 10:48 AM

Taken the USAians by storm she has!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 11:33 AM

She's not the "real deal"
Like Amy Winehouse, she's just another British pop artist singing in a phoney American accent.

She's laughing all the way to the bank, mind you!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 12:12 PM

Somebody told me she was a jazz singer. If she's a jazz singer, I'm Miles Davis. Anita O'Day was a jazz singer, June Christy was a jazz singer. Irene Kral was a jazz singer. This person is just another diva crooning about:

a. How some guy screwed her over.
b. How totally in love she is with the new guy she met who will have her reverting to back to a. within a year.

Where did real music go? I was still listening to it.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 12:16 PM

Envy envy envy!!!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 02:22 PM

Is Adewwww a person's name? Or is she Adew Superb? Please clarify.

Or did somebody sing a song called "Adieu"?


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 03:14 PM

No, it's Adele but people who speak with her accent cannot pronounce the letter L and it sounds like Adewwww - English gone very wrong! It's funny because I am yet to hear an Eastern European with that problem, in fact they seem to speak almost perfect English.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 03:19 PM

What an original voice. I think I've only heard the one tune of hers but it's quite impressive and soulful.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 03:21 PM

Yeah!! Go, Gerww.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 03:36 PM

It's catching!!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 04:32 PM

gillymor: Her voice may sound original but, unfortunately, it's not her voice!
Interestingly, I wonder how Americans hear these British singers who put on(or try to?) American accents; well, of course, most of the time they probably assume that they're American until learning otherwise.
As a Brit, I find Elton John's "American" singing voice extremely unpleasant; indeed, every time I hear him, I'm conscious of him twisting his vocal cords in an unnatural way.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 04:52 PM

Hey Tunes, irregardless of who it belongs to, I really like the voice. I do agree with you about Elton John. His vocals always sound kind of affected to me while at the same time the scotsman Jack Bruce sounds perfectly natural singing American blues songs. Go figure.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 07:58 PM

"Irregardless"! I love it!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 08:11 PM

my mrs thinks Adele's CDs are great; so for the sake of domestic harmony there's absolutely no point arguing otherwise...

I just retreat upstairs to my 'den' when she's singing along to them.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 08:17 PM

I like her and her voice. I don't anything about her but I sure did like the way she sang that song. Somewhere I read she had surgery on her vocal chords. I am glad she can perform. Again I don't know anything about her

God Bless
Dan


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 12:11 AM

Thanks, Bonzo.   Now I'm au courante. (if that's how you spell that)


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Subject: RE: Adewwww superb at Grammy Awards
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:33 AM

Article on Adele's surgery: Check the name of the surgeon. Dr Steven Zeitels is kendall's and curmudgeon's (Tom Hall) surgeon. I think there was a spot on him after the Grammies, which I didn't stay up for.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 08:58 AM

I think she sounds very like Alison Moyet (indeed looks like her with better bone structure), not a patch on Annie Lennox. There was a clip running at much the same time of Whitney Houston singing some pop song to a large audience, and the way she slid up to the ninth (I think) just as the song ended was electrifying. So far I think Adele is merely easy listening (until she speaks, at which point it makes for very uneasy listening indeed, I must agree with Bozo about that).

I was also very offended by her remarks about her first big tax bill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/may/25/adele-tax-grievances

Maybe Bozo would like to do a back-calculation to see, assuming that she did no tax planning, what here gross earnings were to be charged £4million tax. I'm guessing about £10million - the top rate of 50% is only charged on the top slice of income over the relevant threshold (taxable income of £150,000), and of course the personal allowance comes off first, and then any deductible expenses which presumably are substantial - and there used to be a top-slicing system that allowed entertainers to average high earnings from one year out over several years. Just how many more pies does she need to buy?

Some details of tax assessment here:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/incometax/basics.htm


Mind you I suppose that you don't have to be a worthy person to be an able musician - look at Ike Turner.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 10:03 AM

I would think that she wisely has a company, took salary of £5712 and paid the rest as a dividend, on which taxation would be at Higher Rates over total income of over £40k-ish. Find out the name of her company and one can obtain very limited information from Companies House. £10m would probably be in the right ball park as they say.

Tax on dividends in the Higher Rate Band is at 32.5% and in the additional Higher Rate Band at 42.5%.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:30 PM

I think she has a great voice. But what's this about her taking a 5-year break? Think she means it?

http://www.spinner.com/2012/02/14/adele-break/?ncid=webmail2

She (allegedly) (I put that in for Richard's benefit) said:
I am f---ing off for four or five years," Adele told the magazine. "If I am constantly working, my relationships fail. So at least now I can have enough time to write a happy record. And be in love and be happy."
"And then I don't know what I'll do," she added. "Get married. Have some kids. Plant a nice vegetable patch."



And on Valentine's Day too...


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:43 PM

She's obviously been reading up on top-slicing.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:44 PM

PS - assuming, from her uneducated tones, that she can in fact read.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 02:50 PM

Nobody can deny that the girl can sing but oh how I wish one of our British female pop singers sounded British!
Annie Lennox has been mentioned. Now there's a great voice but unfortunately NOT a great British voice!
Of course, it could be argued that if British female singers ( and most of the their male counterparts) sang in their natural voices then they wouldn't be major pop stars...but I wonder...


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 03:49 PM

How long is she going to stay a major pop star if she stalls her career mid-flight by quitting for five years? Has anyone ever successfully re-ignated the flame after that long away from their fans and the public ear? Elvis did (sort of) after his army stint, but that was only two years, less than half the time - and it was never really quite the same, IMHO anyway. Bet the bottom-line boys and the execs are tearing their hair out.

After professional success & exposure that most artists in that game can only dream of...! Still, if that's what she truly wants, I wish her and her new beau well.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 04:51 PM

Snobby remark there from Mr Bridge...


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 12:54 PM

Well, they had the Grammy awards again, and Adele was Back with a capital B, and scooping up more awards. And publicly declaring her devotion to Beyoncé, with no prodding whatever from Kanye West.

Adele pretty much did as she said she was going to do: had a baby and took time to be with her young family before returning to the recording studio and adding another album to her resume.

I never see Adele without remembering that she had to have nodes surgically removed from her vocal cords. She was under the supervision of a US doctor, and I wonder if she has modified her singing technique at all under his care. Those benign nodes on the cords have turned up on singers who stretched their vocal resources too far over too long a time. Adele is pretty young, and so was Julie Andrews when singing Eliza in My Fair Lady led to nodes on her vocal cords.

Don't even get me started on the throat surgeon who has been sued by several famous singers for ruining their singing voices.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 01:08 PM

Kate Bush has stayed away even longer and returned to great acclaim. As for Adele at The Grammy awards, in spite of current controversy, she did deserve to win. 25 is a very good record.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 01:09 PM

I rather like an Essex accent. A very nice lady in our village is broad Essex and her delightful husband is a true Cockney. I could listen to them forever.
We were in a posh shop in Norwich in their TV department, and they had the biggest screen I've ever seen on display. It was one of those 'high definition' jobbies, with enhanced sound, and they had a video of Adele as a demonstration. We were spellbound, and stood there for ages getting a free show. She really is fabulous.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 01:31 PM

Well Richard, even for you that is a horribly snotty remark.So, people with working class accents are all stupid..what an arse you are. Hateful comment.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:01 PM

What is a "working class accent" when its at home? Accents can be regional. But working class people can actually learn correct pronunciation just as well as anybody else.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:11 PM

Yes, I know people can change accents, but why should they. And what is correct pronunciation when it is at home?


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:17 PM

PFR - West country council estate boy all edumecated up to speak like a right proper home counties poncey gent at grammar school... 🙄


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:23 PM

Why on earth should someone change the way they speak (and have spoken since birth) just to placate some snobby snotface who thinks they're superior?
Accents are lovely, and part of a rich speech tradition.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:53 PM

Sure Senoufou, but: 1) a accent is not the same as incorrect pronunciation, and 2) neither have anything to do with class, working or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 03:11 PM

Having an accent I agree is nothing to do with correct or incorrect pronunciation. I assume you're referring to RP (or Received Pronunciation, often called BBC pronunciation, which used to be considered 'correct')
As long as the listeners of a speaker can understand what's being said, there is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation. It's old hat nowadays to make assumptions about a person on the basis of their speech/accent/use of words (dialect)
I've heard Adele criticised for her broad Essex accent, and it does make me cross.
I studied Phonetics at Uni and revelled in the many recordings we studied of different accents. It never occurred to me to put them in order of social acceptability.
Language and speech are simply ways of communicating, and if that goal is achieved all is well.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 03:19 PM

.. except.. sadly in the real bastard world..

correct accents and presentation continue to be tools of power and ruling class domination...


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 04:09 PM

The thing I've heard from a lot of REAL musicians, regarding Adele's voice, is that she is 'believable' in her deliveries...that being said, if you can connect with your audience(s), and they can identify, with the music, and even empathize with it, then the music works....and as Duke Ellington said, when asked if a piece of music was 'good', he said, "If it sounds good, it IS good."

Now, being as I've given TWO important premises for gauging singers and music, some in here might want to take note...especially when you find a lot of people who don't relate to some of the music, that 'political folksters' tastelessly sermonize through, and mistakenly think that the half dozen crackpots who agree with their 'political' blather, make up a great fan base!!!.....

...but I doubt it! Keep deluding yourselves!!

GfS

P.S. Adele kicked ass!!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 04:25 PM

Adele's last name, maiden name that is, is Adkins.

This insisting on accent and class brings to mind "Tommy Adkins" and Rudyard Kipling for some reason.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 05:06 PM

"American" is a complicated word in a market of 600+ million:

"I think Adele won because she can sing...She doesn't bring all the dancers and props, she can just stand there and she just stood there and sang the song and that's it, and this is why she wins."

"With all respect to our sister Beyonce, Beyonce is very beautiful to look at it's just more like modeling kind of music– music to model a dress,… She's not a singer, with all respect to her."

The speaker is none other than the hugely uninformed Carlos Santana and he is still apologizing to the world's 'social justice warrior' community for these words.

99.9% of said SJWs have never had the 'vedette' genre explained to them before but, nonetheless, are just too smart to listen and think about it. And this is just the so-called 'Left'… never you mind the 'Center' and the 'Right'.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 09:57 PM

Phil d'Conch, I think I agree with where you're coming from....but as I've said more than just a few times on here, 'Left wing and 'right' wing are on the same bird!'...I would be fair to say, that one who is REALLY into music, should judge the music, and musicians performing it, on their musical abilities, rather than their political nonsense.

Fair enough??

GfS


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 11:15 PM

GfS:

I don't see the horns of Carlos' current dilemma as political. Do you?

Thankfully, I was singularly unqualified to hand out statuettes even before the tinnitus. In all cases I defer to my left big toe.

"If a guy makes you pat your foot and if you feel it down your back, you don't have to ask anybody if that's good music or not. You can always feel it."
Miles Davis.

Different ships, different long splices.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 12:22 AM

Not really...however with the current political climate, and in your post, you said, "The speaker is none other than the hugely uninformed Carlos Santana and he is still apologizing to the world's 'social justice warrior' community for these words.
99.9% of said SJWs have never had the 'vedette' genre explained to them before but, nonetheless, are just too smart to listen and think about it. And this is just the so-called 'Left'… never you mind the 'Center' and the 'Right'", seemed to describe an indication of by criticizing Beyonce there has been some backlash to him...or why would he have to be 'apologizing'?....and that said, I doubt that his critics would be basing their criticism on his musical/theatrical observations alone.
...after all, Beyonce has interjected herself into the political scene, and some would, or could, misinterpret the motives for criticizing her, for that alone....nonetheless, I can't totally disagree with Santana's assessment.

Entertainers should be cautious about jumping on passing political bandwagons, because by doing so, they risk losing half their audiences....

Regards,
GfS


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 05:29 AM

GfS: "Entertainers should be cautious about jumping on passing political bandwagons..."

It's micro-politic to begin with. Santana is a dues paying member in good standing of The Recording Academy and a Grammy voter. His, apparently apolitical bandwagon, opinion is why Adele won his vote. There should be public discourse and respectful disagreement, not the other way around.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 05:49 AM

What are Beyonce's political views? I genuinely have no idea. Adele is, or at least was, a Labour party supporter. Her songs are not to my taste, but she can sing, of that there is no doubt. Without props, without aids, probably without backing if needs be. Like the 1960s version of Anne Briggs. Whose songs were more to my taste.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 09:53 AM

I have Adele's 25 album and Beyoncé's Lemonade. Both a good records and the Videos for Lemonade are spectacular. However, the voice, the pure magic of great singing goes to Adele hands down.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 01:28 PM

Phil d'Conch: "There should be public discourse and respectful disagreement, not the other way around."

Absolutely!! Entertainers should focus on their art....and politicians should quit trying to be 'entertainers'!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 05:30 PM

GfS: "Entertainers should... &c"

I know you were serious but... as someone raised up on a steady diet of calypso, I found that laughable.

Beyoncé and Santana are political allies. His treason was voting on artistic merit. He is currently being re-educated to vote by ethnicity.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:22 AM

Phil d'Conch: "I know you were serious but..."

More like 'sarcastically satirical'!

.....but then that would be a big thread drift.

Here, I'll bottom-line it for ya'....Adele, or Beyonce, or anyone, in entertainment should be rated for their abilities, not their politics.OK?....Ten years ago, Beyonce's voice caught my ear, and I dug her....(she even oversees her own mix-downs, and it very anal about it, which I can appreciate, and do....but as of more recent, it seems that her focus has been more on 'image', the 'show', her overt sexual overtones in the shows, costumes etc. etc., and less on her vocal priorities, and it is noticeable...Adele, on the other hand, just delivers the song, with emotion, and powerfully....and as a result, sweeping all the awards, while not using sexually provocative, compensations, in lieu of belting out a song, flawlessly, that connects. To really like Beyonce, you have to see her shows while she is singing...to really like Adele, you just have to hear her.

Regards,
GfS


P.S.....As far as politicians...they're just entertainers who perform their theater for the highest bidders!

Music is a far higher calling!!


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 07:30 AM

Last I heard Tottenham, Brighton, Brixton and West Norword were not in Essex so how she could have a broad Essex accent (there are many Essex accents) is a mystery to me.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:45 AM

GfS:

You're expressing 'centrist' or 'right-of-center' value systems. The 300bpm+ gabba nutjobs think the lot are 100bpm/100db short of reality... additive.. Nothing to do with the subject at hand.

For 'lefty' Beyoncé and Santana, art serves the State, monthly 'look-at-me' awards banquets inclusive.

So let's keep it intellectually honest here, if you're operating on fifty shades of Noel Ignatiev, State = ethnicity and Grammys get voted by parental lottery.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:15 PM

I watched the movie "Free State Of Jones" late last night...

wow.. if us brits think yank politics are perplexing and baffling now..

post civil war must have been many times more corrupt & mental..

BTW.. fairly good song by Lucinda Williams over the credits...


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 01:35 PM

Just my opinion:
when this thread was started about five years ago, Adele was a relative newcomer, and if people made fun of the way she pronounced her own name, it was sort of fair game.

Now that she's an honest-to-goodness one-name professional singer, I for one would drop the "Adewwww" joke.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:01 PM

Phil, you're less than accurate regarding your perception of my 'political views' of Santana or Beyonce....frankly I don't give a crap about their 'political views'...they are both talented...however, transcending politics, Adele seems to touch a common thread humanity, and expresses it well, and does not rely on 'gimmicks'...just her delivery, and subject matter.....OK??

keberoxu: "Now that she's an honest-to-goodness one-name professional singer, I for one would drop the "Adewwww" joke."

I agree with your post...and furthermore I hope that she, (and a lot of us) do not get sidetracked by maintaining 'an image', 'personal celebrity' or 'politics', which would all be the first step in a downward spiral.

Gfs


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: meself
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:50 PM

"when this thread was started about five years ago, Adele was a relative newcomer, and if people made fun of the way she pronounced her own name, it was sort of fair game.
Now that she's an honest-to-goodness one-name professional singer, I for one would drop the "Adewwww" joke."

This strikes me as one of the strangest things I've ever read on this forum.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:47 PM

Gfs: Artistic merit is still a merit system. And that is a failed system as far as the American left is concerned at the moment.

pfr: "I watched the movie "Free State Of Jones" late last night..."

And that is, quite literally, not the half of it... meanwhile west of the Mississippi the Indian Nations were slave nations. They made treaty with the South and war on the North.

The Supreme Commander of the armies that conquered both was murdered... in a theater... by an entertainer... from the North.


As for Adele, 15 Grammys out of 18 noms. The collective wisdom of The Recording Academy membership is good enough for me.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:18 PM

Phil d'Conch: "Gfs: Artistic merit is still a merit system. And that is a failed system as far as the American left is concerned at the moment."

Not sure what you mean...can you explain?

GfS


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:47 PM

Now here's a kick ass performance...regardless of political crap!

Watch the whole thing!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 07:09 PM

I suppose it is each to their own but, to me, Adele suffers from the worst case of distorted vowel syndrome I've encountered.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 07:16 PM

irritable vowel syndrome....???? 😜


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:24 PM

To my ears yes, PFR.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: meself
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:35 PM

And we're suppose to care about your opinion of Adele's speech because ... ?


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:01 PM

No more or less than anyone else meself. It's just how I find her.

Who are you by the way and is how you find her of any more relevance?

And just who is this "we"?


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:05 PM

(Opps Sorry I've no opinion re the speech whatever it was - just one on her musical output)


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: meself
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 12:49 AM

So ... this 'distorted vowel syndrome' is in relation to the vocal aspect of her 'musical output'? If so, then I think perhaps possibly I shouldn't have been so snippy - I assumed you were mocking her speaking accent ("the speech" in question), with which much of the thread is concerned; in fact, the title itself seems to mock her speaking accent.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 09:53 AM

Ah OK meself. Perhaps I can clarify. My own speaking voice is probably odd to many. Few have ever placed me but I guess that's what comes from living in Shropshire (which these days I'm more inclined to think is the strongest part) Conwy and Kent as a kid so, yes it's mixed/confused if you like.

But that carries over to my attempts at singing (at least when I avoid being oirish etc... ;-) )

I know there are many people who put on accents or are trained in some voice (eg. opera) for singing but even allowing for this sort of thing, Adele sounds, strangely forced to me in ways I don't get on with.

J


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 10:10 AM

As a boy I had a strong working class west country accent & vocabulary,
but my mum drudged in a kitchen/bar job at a golf club
and had aspirations for me, so kept correcting my pronunciation...

Grammar school, degree education, and socialising with the urban middle classes reduced me to a bland nondescript 'educated' accent...
.. then 15 years living in East London finished me off...

I don't like the sound of my voice when I hear recordings.


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Subject: RE: Adewwww (Adele) superb at Grammy Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 10:48 AM

We in the Tunbridge Wells days I guess were "posh". School wise Condover (nr Srewsbury) and Glanwydden (near Llandudno) primary schools for me and Ysgol John Bright (Llandudno comp) and Skinners (TW boys grammar) for secondary education ("rebelled" after a bit of A Levels so no degree for me...)

Beyond that i don't know except to say parents were both professionals from different backgrounds mother a pyhsio but still very much rural simple Shropshire and father from Norwich and a manager for Abbey National...

I guess I'm not as concerned as soe about the class background thing - I'd not make proper working class but I don't know what - probably mostly living in villages outside the towns, "largely rural" in upbringing would be more apt?

I can even once in a while like my singing voice but (although its the same/not attempts at changing accents) can't cope with my speaking voice recorded. Maybe it ought to tell me something deeper but my first reaction to that can be "and who is this idiot speaking..."


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